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The Book Party

The wOw Book Club | 03/10/2009 3:58 pm

Apologize, Apologize! Reader Forum

Roxanne J. Coady is ready to start discussing wOw’s Book Club pick Apologize, Apologize!. Author Elizabeth Kelly will join us live to answer all of our questions on March 30, March 31 and April 1. Feel free to post your comments and questions about the book now to get the conversation going

By Roxanne J. Coady
Roxanne J. Coady, wOw's Book Guru

If you’re reading Apologize, Apologize! with the rest of the wOw Book Club, chances are you’ll want to talk about it. 

Well, you’re in the right place …

I’m Roxanne Coady, and I chose this book for the wOw Book Club because it left me with dozens of questions I yearned to talk to someone else about. As with many books, there were parts I loved and parts I didn’t like at all. But in the end, I found myself thinking about the characters and was curious to know how others viewed their behavior. I’m happy to begin the conversation here, on wOw’s Book Club Reader Forum, where we can all discuss this hilarious story of a highly dysfunctional family.

I keep asking myself, "Are the characters in this book absurd? Or do they resemble people Elizabeth Kelly knows?  Or are they meant to be caricatures of qualities that exist in most families?" What do you think? Please share your thoughts and questions below.

On March 30, 31 and April 1, the author, Elizabeth Kelly — whose writing has been compared to that of John Irving, Carol Shields, David Foster Wallace and Julia Glass – will join this Reader’s Forum live to answer our questions.

Excerpts from Apologize, Apologize!: Click here to read chapter one and chapter two.

Reviews: Apologize, Apologize! is receiving rave reviews.

Click here for syndicated columnist Ann La Farge’s review.

Click here for USA Today’s quick review and interview with the author.

Click here for "Wandering Coyote"’s blog review.

MJ Stone’s review in the California Hour…Check back here often for review updates. Bookmark this page today! 

44 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Pat Donovan
I also wonder if they are caricatures of real people ………..but as anyone from a dysfunctional home knows we all have different standards for "normal"  The sadness that permeates the home is there along with the fun and laughter.
By Pat Donovan on 03/04/2009 7:49 am
Niki Burkett
I was interested that the mother in the novel is obsessed with the World War I poet Rupert Brooke.  You can talk about what inspired that?
By Niki Burkett on 03/04/2009 10:25 am
Lee Harrison
The characters were so wacky and the family so enthusiastically disfunctional, I kept thinking it should be taking place in the South or at least be written by a Southern author.
By Lee Harrison on 03/04/2009 8:14 pm
elizabeth kelly

Hello all. Just wanted to briefly thank those of you have taken the time to read and comment. I’m very grateful to wOw for giving me the opportunity to talk to readers directly, a rare experience for a writer, especially a hermit like me.

I spend so much time alone with my dogs that I have to fight the urge to bark whenever someone comes to the door.

It’s nice to engage in human discourse for a change! (with apologies to my husband but after 36 years of marriage he has long ceased to seem human and has officially attained the status of sofa or large appliance.)

It’s very interesting to me that the Flanagans are so widely characterized as being dysfunctional and outrageous since I have never seen them that way. I prefer to think of them as being unconventional—of course, as someone who recently tried to give herself a temporary facelift using veterinary tape, I may not be a credible judge of what constitutes normalcy.

The Flanagans are performance artists—they love to entertain and they want to be entertained. They’re appalled by sentimentality and would rather be perceived as being uncaring rather than as being maudlin.

No member of the Flanagan family aspires to say "I love you," to another person. They express love through their intense level of engagement with each other.

To me, rather than exhibiting dysfunction, they are laboring under the practical and psychic burden of having succumbed to a greater—or lesser beast—than bad mechanics. They’ve yeilded to the temptations of self-titillation at the expense of authenticity.

This is what compels Collie’s early struggle in the family—he intuits that something is wrong and wrestles to make it right; Collie, in his heart, would rather be dull than be entertaining. His initial response to his family is a variation on ‘ride ‘em, rope ‘em, brand ‘em, don’t try to understand ‘em.’

Eventually, tragedy propels him to challenge himself and his family in a more profound way—though, in some ways, he comes full circle.

So I guess to ask me if the Flanagans are caricatures of real people would be to anticipate that I think of them as cartoons, when, truly, I think of them as the best and worst of what makes us human.

In the interest of full disclosure, however, I did have a maiden aunt who once disappeared for 10 hours waiting for her dog to make the decision to return home.

 

 

By elizabeth kelly on 03/05/2009 1:51 pm
Lee Harrison

Elizabeth,

I still think the family is dysfunctional…and now I think you’re the one who’s unconventional!  (That is said with a smile, great admiration and jealously.) You certainly know how to tell a story and turn a phrase.  Congratulations on the publication of Apologize, Apologize.

By Lee Harrison on 03/09/2009 12:05 am
elizabeth kelly

Thanks so much, Lee!

I’m delighted to hear your thoughts. It would, after all, be presumptuous of me to tell readers how to interpret the book.

Barring violence or abuse, I suppose I have a rather high tolerance for non-conformity, even though, personally, I live so conservatively (read dull) that you practically need a mirror to determining whether I’m still breathing. 

When I was in my teens I had a friend who came from an ultra-conventional background—father was a corporate executive, mother was from an old-monied family. On the surface and even an inch below the surface, they appeared to be the epitome of successful living— striving and achieving on every level of traditional measurement, financial, social, educational etc. 

One day my friend confided to me that her father wanted to give her a bath, "the way he did when I was little." Her mother, believe it or not, was harassing her to comply. When she continued to refuse her father embarked on something that I would describe as being roughly akin to a thousand-year pout.

I guess for me that little episode proved to be a benchmark by which I tend to judge family dysfunction, which is why Charlie Flanagan, iin the novel, was never permitted anywhere near a bar of soap.

By elizabeth kelly on 03/09/2009 1:50 pm
Lee Harrison

Elizabeth,

Ick…what a story!  Your poor friend.  I guess my "eccentric meter" is set lower than yours cause I wouldn’t call that bath-obsessed guy a "non-conformist."  He was one sick dude!  And the mother was co-dependent.  Adds up to dysfunction to me;-)

 Anyway, we’re arguing over semantics here I think.  The important thing is you actually wrote a book and it’s published and people are talking about the characters!  I’m looking forward to the book discussion…but I think I’ll have to come late to the party since I’ll be traveling next week. 

By Lee Harrison on 03/09/2009 9:02 pm
elizabeth kelly
Yes, you’re right, Lee, he was a disturbed guy—and just to clarify, in my view, too, they were a highly dysfunctional family, despite outward appearance. The Flanagans, by comparison, are merely hyper-animated.
By elizabeth kelly on 03/09/2009 10:21 pm
elizabeth kelly

Niki, concerning your question about the mother’s obsession with the poet, Rupert Brooke—Anais fetishizes good looks and Rupert Brooke was an unusually handsome man who attracted widespread acclaim for his appearance among both men and women.

Brooke was the rarest of creatures—he was both beautiful and brilliant—a combination that rarely occurs in nature—the daily claims of celebrity journalism notwithstanding.

He also exhibited great personal courage, dying as a result when he was only 27 years old. Since the book is a kind of noisey meditation on what it means to be brave, Brooke represents more than just a random eccentric object of the mother’s affection. He made sense to me in the context of the story and its themes.

Also, I have been stalking Brooke across an ocean and a century and have indeed been a full-fledged member of the Rupert Brooke Society.

By elizabeth kelly on 03/05/2009 2:02 pm
Niki Burkett
thanks for your reply. I’ve always admired Brooke’s poetry, and for me what resonated about his presence in your book was that it anticipated, in a subtle way, aspects of the tragedy that occurs towards the middle of the book.  I don’t want to say any more about that in case people who haven’t yet read the novel are reading this.  But it’s a foreshadowing that I thought was really well-done.  And it made me want to go back and re-read Brooke.  Congratulations on the book!
By Niki Burkett on 03/05/2009 4:38 pm
elizabeth kelly

Thanks so much for the kind remarks, Niki.

It’s unfortunate that Brooke is mostly remembered, even dismissed, as a war poet—he was an amazing writer with a remarkable intellect and an interesting worldview.  In the end, he proved to be of outstanding character, too.

I’m really delighted that his presence in the book resonated so strongly for you and for the reasons you mention.

By elizabeth kelly on 03/05/2009 5:43 pm
elizabeth kelly

While I love the gothic elements associated with the literary history of the southern states, I would be the greatest of pretenders to try to infuse any of that mystique into my own writing.

Actually, as someone who has never been anywhere much further than the local grocery store, I guess I would have to define my writing as being less southern in its influence and more "stockboy to aisle six, please."

 

By elizabeth kelly on 03/05/2009 2:27 pm
Lee Harrison
Well my dear, you must visit the Deep South.  I have a feeling you’ll love it.
By Lee Harrison on 03/09/2009 12:07 am
Roxanne Coady

Dear readers

I love this conversation about dysfunctional vs unconventional or non conformist

One definition of dysfunctional is abnormal or impaired functioning whereas a definition of unconventional is out of the ordinary—what distinguishes dysfunctional from unconventional—the impact on others? its ability to change others behavior in problematic ways? or is it merely semantics to distinguish one from the other.  For me-uncoventional suggests an  independent thinking style and has a positive quality.Also how does Elizabeth’s wonderful sense of humor impact how we view the characters?

your thoughts?

Roxanne

ps I looked up dysfunctional in my oxford 2 volume dictionary circa 1986 and dysfunctional is not there!! Reasons? even a magnifying glass cannot make up for my 60 year old deteriorating eyes? in 1986 the usage of the word was not at a sufficient level to be included? there werent any dysfunctional people before 1986? or I dont know how to use a dictionary?

By Roxanne Coady on 03/10/2009 2:36 pm
Nancy G

Roxanne,

 

I’m loving this conversation on all fronts and intrigued enough to read this book!  I just looked up "dysfunctional" in the 1996 Oxford Dictionary and Thesaurus I gave to my daughter and have re-inherited.  The word is there, and the definition matches yours. 

By Nancy G on 03/11/2009 9:28 am