Q & A | 07/01/2008 1:05 pm
Nobody, Including Barack Obama Himself, Expected It

Editor’s Note: Gail Collins is a columnist for The New York Times.
LESLEY: So, Gail, I want to say right up front that I love reading your column …
GAIL: Oh, thank you.
LESLEY: … especially on Saturdays because it’s an unhurried morning. You always – almost always – make me chuckle. And then you come around and hit me with an especially kind of pungent insight, especially about this election. So I’m wondering why you think so many of the pundits got so much about this campaign wrong this time. Was it the nature of the candidates – you know, the woman, the African-American, the maverick, the evangelical? Or is there a problem within the punditry itself?
GAIL: Since the creation of 24-hour TV, just the necessity of talking so much really does drain everybody … there’s only so much you can say. And there’s not really much great desire for a half-hour talk about competing health-care plans. I mean, it’s just this sort of general talk about how the elections are going. And so people are kind of required, I think, to push themselves a lot more than they used to be.
LESLEY: And there’s no time to think. I mean, the minute you’ve finished saying one thing they’re calling you to come right in and talk some more.
GAIL: Yeah, you’re basically talking about the same thing over and over again. So you do sort of create general, you know, conventional wisdoms. But that said, this has been a really weird campaign. I was certainly wrong about absolutely everything. I’ve always presumed that the thing that everybody thinks is going to happen is usually, actually, unfortunately the thing that happens. And nobody, including Hillary Clinton, thought Barack — I’m not even sure Barack Obama thought Barack Obama was going to catch the way he did. I mean, he wasn’t that great a candidate when he started out. He was a good candidate, but nobody who you would say, "My gosh, this person is so spectacular right now that he doesn’t need to wait. He should — this is it." But, last summer and early fall, he just caught on fire and it took everybody by surprise. And his organization and the excitement of people in the caucus states took everybody by surprise. So that one —
LESLEY: Yeah, it took them by surprise, but he was ready.
GAIL: Yeah.
LESLEY: Which is different from Hillary Clinton’s campaign, which wasn’t ready for whatever came their way.
GAIL: I, like everybody else, has said, "Well, you know, the problem was she didn’t organize in the caucus states well." Those early caucus states, where you don’t have a general election, you just have the people who are willing to get up and go to the local school and vote. They’re the only ones who matter. And she didn’t organize that well in those states. But that said, to win in those states generally you need really committed, excited people behind you. It’s not necessarily the same kind of voter who goes out for a regular primary election. They’re people who are really dedicated, who are really willing to stand in long lines and give up their Saturday afternoon. And so I’m not sure, even, if she was well organized; that her support, which tends to be very broad but not necessarily all that deep, could have beaten his really, really, really excited, intense supporters.
LESLEY: Well, having admitted that you got a lot wrong, let’s give you an opportunity to either be wrong again —
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“Since the creation of 24-hour TV, just the necessity of talking so much really does drain everybody…” It’s more inane babbling than talking, IMO.
So right, Frank. I can’t remember if it was Stephanie Miller or someone else on the radio last week who said something about political strategists. Every station has half a dozen of them - where did they come from? What’s on your resume that makes you a political strategist? All they seem to do is - as you have said - babble. There’s very little that’s coherent or relevant.
Great picture of Obama. This was an interesting conversation with the lead off about Obama and everyone getting it wrong, and how he had his organization together and got it right. There continues to be racism in our country, it will probably always be here, but, as you pointed out, the speed of change in our cultural acceptance of important issues is great to see. I don’t know if Obama will win, but I am so proud of our country that he is running. It was a tough democrat primary and a sad ending for many, but here we are with a great role model for not only African Americans, but all Americans. He is another example of America’s courage.
I continue to have issues with him due to lack of experience, but am waiting to see how things unfold. I do believe that even though many people will not vote for him due to race, it doesn’t matter. He is here and America is giving him a fair shot. He has run a campaign that yields results and we shall see what happens. I could not guess which way it will go.
The race card may be used by some, but if McCain uses it, it will do more harm to McCain’s campaign than to Obama’s. McCain would not benefit by looking like a racist. It would seem to me that if Obama’s campaign focuses on and accuses the race card being used, it will make him look weak. America doesn’t want a weak president. I think they are going to avoid race as much as possible. Private citizens have their own opinions and will vote accordingly. You cannot legislate and change anyone’s ideas about race. It is something that we are growing out of, and it takes time.
Race has always seemed like such an odd thing. As a child, in 5th and 6th grade I went to a school that had a great racial mix. The teachers were wonderful and worked with everyone equally. Mrs. Mordigan was just amazing to me. When we had assemblies she always had 2 children presenting, either black and white, latino and black, or white and latino, and it just seemed so normal to all of us. No big deal. I think church is where it seemed more separate. I knew society had problems and I recognized that, but it always seemed to me so odd that someone was different or not equal because their skin was different. There was not logic in it for me, I could never understand how it started that way.
I must admit that I did have concepts about race, but I think it was taught, not in words, but in cultural treatment of different races and ethnic groups in our society. Movies, TV and the absence of African Americans in ads or commercials etc. Thank heavens that has changed and is changing.
Frannie Em: “It would seem to me that if Obama’s campaign focuses on and accuses the race card being used, it will make him look weak.”
Agreed. In my opinion, he’s used it too often, already. It’s been his main thrust — white guilt, white guilt — because he knows most of us would be embarrassed or ashamed to be accused of being racist. In that way he silences opposition or tags it with racism. As I’ve said before, race is his gimmick, not ours.
When has Obama used “white guilt” in his campaign? I can’t think of a single moment that he has addressed race that it wasn’t because the issue had been thrust upon him. I have never heard him tagging anyone with racism. The media can’t seem to get off the race thing, and I guess there are some ppl who can’t, but Obama has never made race an issue.
Don’t forget the impact of Oprah on our culture. She is honest, open, aware and generous, and has built an empire on that. She has changed the face of culture more than news pundits ever have, or will. She is so accomplished and has a sense of her purpose that goes beyond racial lines. She has broken down many doors.
Frannie,yes Oprah had an impact on our culture, but try to look deeper to see what american culture is about and where it’s taking us. yes Oprah is typical but no inspiration to me!
Frannie—well done, very well, done ;-)
Thanks Frank
“It’s more inane babbling than talking, IMO.”
By Frank Peterson on 07/01/2008 11:12 am
Yes, and the “race card” is being bandied around more by those inane babbling heads than by any of the candidates. They have made this entire campaign more about spinning everything they can possibly bite out of context into a tabloid headline about race, sexism, patriotism, elitism, evangelism, whatever, than about comparing the candidates’ stands on the real issues.
Sherrie—exactly—and then all one has to do it look on the net and see the amount of crap flowing there, and the insane, not inane, babbling that’s coming from so many different areas. It’s enough to turn me off politics forever.
Sherrie and Frank
You guys have hit the nail on the head, and banged it into the hole. The blah blah babble and rabble that is at it gets soooooo boring, on both sides of the aisle. There are some whom I think has a more reasoned and educated opinion, but when they act like it is life and death I want to say - take a trip to Iraq or Afghanistan, and then you will see what that means. The world is not going to end because they get all hot and bothered about something. They are so groomed on competition, and since the market is so wide they have to fight to keep their ‘esteemed opinion’ interesting. They are becoming more of the news story because they take minutiae and try to make it into stories. Americans are getting tired of it.
Thanks Frank and Frannie. Now the latest thing they’ve got their gnawing, gnashing fangs into is Wesley Clark saying that McCain being a pilot and POW doesn’t necessarily qualify him to be President. He was in no way disparaging McCain’s service record or patriotism. He was simply stating that being President takes a different set of skills than being a pilot and enduring physical torture. They’re all chewing and chomping it into seeming like Obama’s camp is challenging McCain’s patriotism. I’ve even stopped turning on GMA in the morning because I’ve become so disappointed in those people who I used to respect and enjoy watching so much.
Sherrie: Clark did open his mouth inopportunely. The press will jump on anything to may a totally belaboured point. That is the main trouble with journalism as it is practiced today. Some of it is a bad as when Thomas Nast was writing during Tammany Hall time in the mid 1800’s.
However, neither camp is learning to keep quiet. Didn’t the primaries teach them anything??? Elections can be lost on a few statements taken out of context.