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Conversation | 06/11/2008 6:00 am

Lily Tomlin: 'People Would Look at Me ... Horror-Stricken'

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MARLO: That’s the biggest thing, is at your will. And I think the actor has a challenge that the other arts don’t have. Writers do not have to do it right now. They can do it when they feel like it. But actors have to do it right now. You hear “Action,” or you hear “Five minutes. Places,” and that’s it. That’s when you start.

MARY: I was always expected to jump out of a cake, with some kind of an extraordinary idea for a client, to get their business, or to keep it. I was the only girl in most of the rooms. And all the men in the room would all turn their heads at some point, turn and look at me and wait for me to jump out of the cake. And if I hadn’t had really, really terrific training, I just couldn’t have jumped. It gives you the ability to use — to get together everything that you’ve got going. Your thinking, your emotions, your feeling, your strategizing. It just pulls it all together. I think that really good teaching really does give you the ability to be instantaneous.

LILY: Well, are you saying that whether you had come up with some inspired idea or not, you could jump so artfully and —

MARY: It could make it seem so easy.

MARLO: I thought you meant you had the confidence to say what you were thinking, because a lot of people don’t.

MARY: There’s a certain amount of make-believe in everybody’s job. And there are times when you have to put on a robe that you are not sure is quite the right robe, but you’ve got to do something. Somebody has to do something.

LILY: I always thought it would be great to have actors do their autobiographies by their sense memories. The stage is probably more so because you have to build a performance from beginning to end and to take you where you need to go. And then you could have a linear thing of building what got you to completion. The thing where you want to be the fullest — and a sense memory wears out after time; you have to give it a rest and then go to another one, to be really moved at some point. The sense memory might have nothing to do with where you’re going, and probably doesn’t 99 percent of the time. You just want to be filled up with a similar emotion that conveys the idea of what’s happening in that play or that film.

MARLO: For people who don’t know what a sense memory is, what one could say is the greatest universal sense memory is Christmas. Every year it’s the same scent. You know, it’s the same lights, it’s the same music. All the senses are being used. So a sense memory is using your senses, or even maybe just one sense – the smell of someone, or the sound of their voice, or the look in somebody’s eye when they either loved you or hated you or hit you or whatever. All those different senses are used to bring forth the feeling that you need for the scene you’re about to do. And the scene could be about you and a bad boss. But you might use a dog that once bit you. You want to use that specific emotion for you.

MARY: I had to climb up the fire stairs for Sandy Meisner; the fire stairs of a building, up to about the 12th floor, and steal something from underneath the hand of a man who was asleep. And if I didn’t wake him up I’d make the grade. Crawling up fire stairs — 12 floors — and crawling into a window, it gives you exactly that. It teaches you what that feeling is, exactly. And you can rely on that sometime later if that’s the way you want to feel.

JOAN: Did this poor guy know that you were coming at him to steal something?

MARY: Yes. Yes, and he’s trained to react. If he hears you he wakes up. And if he doesn’t hear, he doesn’t.

MARLO: Lily, when you do all of those characters, as I’ve seen you do on Broadway so magnificently, that’s a lot of preparation you do.

LILY: I don’t know, you two sound like you’re much more trained than I am.

MARY: But they seem so real.

LILY: Whatever technique I have, I had somehow come to by default.

JOAN: You didn’t train at all before you started?

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Serena .
Let’s face it—Lily is just a natural at what she does. She was born to it. Ask anyone how he or she does anything great—they can’t explain it, they just do it. How did Van Gogh paint? How did Sylvia Plath write? How does Jane Wagner come up with such a winning dialogue and weave seemingly unrelated characters together in a “cosmic mish-mash?”
By Serena . on 06/11/2008 5:32 am
Kay Sara
Madelaine Kahn’s performance in Blazing Saddles totally mystifies and baffles me. She was so incredibly good and it was such a layered complex performance yet so effortless and hilarious. HOW DID SHE DO IT? I am so glad she was nominated for an academy award for that performance - comedies hardly ever get any recognition for talent and merit. Lily Tomlin’s Mother’s Day card video was on the same level of fantastic (where she was picking out a card in a drug store). Just the way Ms. Tomlin sashayed into the store- cracked me up. I had to call my husband and boys over to see this- it was a “can’t miss” video. Ms. Tomlin was also great in The Kid. We need more Lily Tomlin- she is a great talent with timeless humor.
By Kay Sara on 06/11/2008 5:05 pm
CAROLINE MuLVEY
Lily you are a great actor. I have seen you in a few things. I am glad that you love to make people laugh. I really appreciate your gift. Thank-you for your joy of giving your gift of acting for all to see and enjoy. Thank-You!
By CAROLINE MuLVEY on 06/11/2008 7:33 am
James the Game
Fascinating, the mental/physical cues and tricks of the acting trade. It reminds me of the martial arts. The reason you repeat the forms/katas over and over, year after year, is so you don’t have to consciously think in a fighting situation, because there is no time to think. Many times in sparring I have watched my hands or feet do something before I even consciously thought about it. Bruce Lee used to hold up his fist and say, “I don’t hit. It hits all by itself.” Veteran actors/actresses are so smooth and natural, probably because they’re doing so many things instinctively/subconscously that rookies have to think about consciously on the stage. Being able to feel how to do something without thinking about it too much is what Bruce called “no-mindedness”.
By James the Game on 06/11/2008 8:43 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe
What a treat to listen to your conversation about acting. Marlo: I remember your performance in “Crackers” and thought it amazing. And Lily, you of the wonderful, funny characters, thanks for giving us the link to the Nichols-May bit. Those two were, in my estimation, perfect together performing perfectly. When I was seven I decided I wanted to be a movie star––I was smitten I could sing like Betty Hutton, cry like Margaret O’Brien, and try to dance like Ginger Rogers. In High School I was in all the plays, most of the musicals and did Declamations traveling to different cities within my state for competitions. I went to Stephens College in Columbia, Mo. after graduation because they had such an excellent drama program. I got the lead in the first play of the season and at that time George C. Scott was directing it, but halfway through he left due to some business over his liaison with a student and, of course, at this point in his life he was drinking rather heavily,I think. Suffice it to say it proved to be very good training and I later did summer stock and community theater , but only as a avocation because after Stephens I went to the U. of M. for Med Tech training. I look back at all that acting–––so many years of loving it so and today I have no desire to act, but do have a desire to direct. I find that strange , but interesting. Again, thanks for the discussion, it brings back memories.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 06/11/2008 8:55 am
Deni G
What an interesting conversation! I really loved this and the different approaches, views each of you have.

And I have so many thoughts going through my head. The comment about writing not being immediate struck me. I realized that’s actually the problem I have with writing. When I have to write an important piece, immediately, it is just like walking out on stage. I focus and bring myself to it and it to me and write. And it flows.

But usually, writing isn’t immediate. You do it, when you do it. And so I find myself, searching for a title or a subject or how to say a thing… and then like now…I am thinking…” is that bookcase in the living room leaning too far forward?”.
By Deni G on 06/11/2008 11:18 am
Frannie Em
Great conversation. Fascinating how artists reach inside and divine a character. Craft and being. Well you have both used it to entertain us all. It is always a pleasure to watch you. Deni, I like what you said about writing. That is really interesting.
By Frannie Em on 06/11/2008 2:31 pm
Sue E
Dear Ms. Tomlin, If I may be so brazen to suggest…was it Charles Nelson Reilly that you took acting lessons from in the early days? The late Reilly was also a very highly respected acting coach. Love, Phoeneesha The Second
By Sue E on 06/11/2008 1:02 pm
mary lou s
mary, it’s great that you are able to talk about metaphorically jumping out of the cake. sometimes you have to do a little acting when you go to fix the copier and its behavior mystifies you. but most of all when you are in a group meeting, sometimes it’s REALLY HARD to show respect for all the people there, no matter how they treat everybody else.
By mary lou s on 06/11/2008 1:17 pm
Liza D 08 .... beta
I felt as if I was sitting right there watching and listening to all the Q’s and A’s. This was like Actors Studio on WoW. Thank you!
By Liza D 08 .... beta on 06/11/2008 2:38 pm
To the beach ~~~
Really fascinating—clung to every word. Growing up near Hollywood running into stars at the Brentwood Mart and Farmers market, etc, loved the glamor, films, theatre but never any pull towards the biz so doubly interesting to read as an outsider. Love books written by people in the biz. Moss Hart’s iconic “Act One”, any by Susan Strasberg. So many performances that stay with you forever. Faye Dunaway in ‘Callas’ could not move from the seat after the curtain went down. How does someone do that night after night and matinees too? Beyond stamina— a force of nature. I agree with Lily, Mike Nichols and Elaine May are among the great teams like Kauffman and Hart. And anything written by Elaine May and with Marlo Thomas as the star you know will terrific. Great stuff, thank you.
By To the beach ~~~ on 06/11/2008 3:49 pm
My Two Cents
Lilly, I love your comedy ! I laughed so much in All Of Me with Steven Martin, it looked like you were having a wonderful time when you were dancing at the end of the movie.
By My Two Cents on 06/11/2008 4:34 pm
Maurine H
Liza brought up the Actors Studio and that’s exactly what I was thinking when I read this conversation. I know it’s asking a lot of Tom, but is there any way your conversations could be presented in video form? They are always stimulating, and this one, in particular, would be so much fun to see and hear. I know it can be done because I visit another website which presents conversations with artists, but I don’t know whether it’s cost efficient for wOw. Back to your discussion. I loved it! As a SSK (stage struck kid) I envisioned myself taking classes from Lee Strasberg. Marlo and Lily describing the learning of their crafts widened the scope and made me realize that teaching styles and techniques differ. Marlo, what you said, “For actors, you have to get back to the way you were as a child” really takes courage, I think. Your work in “Nobody’s Child” seemed like that to me, courageous and beautiful. And all of your comedy performances have been a delight. Lily, you have given me so much downright happiness with every performance I’ve been lucky enough to see, that I must thank you for it. When you have that special kind of “light from within” talent, bucket loads of training can’t possibly make a difference.
By Maurine H on 06/11/2008 4:45 pm
JJ GB
Not to negate anyone else on the panel, but since this was Lily’s topic and it is a place to state one’s opinion on a topic, I’d like to say, Lily, you are fabulously funny and entertaining when you’re doing comedy. When you’re doing drama, you are believable and perfect in the role-you are that person and I am absolutley glued to your character. I can’t imagine anyone being “horror stricken” or critical of your performances.
By JJ GB on 06/11/2008 6:21 pm
Maggi D
I have always thought that we all are actors. Cannot count the times I have been presented with a problem at work that I have shown total confidence in solving and after it was all over ran to the bathroom to puke. My awe goes to all of you that can, and want to, do that for a living. I admire you all.
By Maggi D on 06/11/2008 10:42 pm