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Conversation | 06/11/2008 6:00 am

Lily Tomlin: 'People Would Look at Me ... Horror-Stricken'

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LILY: No, I tried. I had one class with somebody, and I can’t think of his name right now — I’ve seen him as an actor in different projects. But, I just couldn’t get it. If I tried to do what they were talking about in class, people would just look at me kind of horror-stricken when I’d finish a scene. I must have just been bizarre.

MARY: All those characters – don’t you live with them? It seems like they’re part of your house.

LILY: Well, they are, but because I get to invent them. When I have to do someone else’s stuff, someone else’s character, I’m not entirely sure what it is. Even a comedy like “9 to 5,” when we were doing it, I had to pretend because it — “9 to 5“ was a little bit instructional. I mean, underneath, it was about having day care and getting equal pay. I pretended that we were really Violet and Doralee and Judy, and that we were making an educational film about office workers.

MARLO: That’s a good idea. You know what that’s called? That’s called an “as if.”

JOAN: So, last question to Marlo and Lily: How do you remember the lines?

MARLO: That’s really not hard.

LILY: I’m always amazed at people. After you do something on the stage and people will say, “God, how do you remember the words?” And you think, “Surely that’s not what they’re coming away with — the fact that I knew the lines.”

MARLO: I don’t know why it isn’t hard, but because you rehearse. Lily does so many characters and she doesn’t even have many places to move around on the stage. But when you’re in a play, the lines are connected to the physical movements. So that when I get up from the couch — I mean you’d have to shoot me in the head not to get me to say the line when I stood up.

LILY: Muscle memory, of course. If you’ve done a project – done a play or a piece like that, and you come back to it five years later, you’ll … the muscle memory will be so strong.

MARLO: It’s right there.

MARY: But you don’t do it at home, do you? You don’t get up off the couch and say that line?

MARLO: No, no, no, no, no. But it’s funny. It really is true. We did “Roger is Dead” in San Francisco several months ago and now we’ve done it in New Jersey, and are hoping to bring it to New York. When we did it in San Francisco, she did some rewrites. And Elaine added new lines in the middle of these scenes that we’d already played for, four and four – rehearsed four weeks and played four weeks. And those were the hard lines to remember because your body had moved to a whole other rhythm. And now you were throwing in – just little things. I’d put the tea over there. And it was like, God, you couldn’t even remember that one little line, because your body did remember another way. And that was actually harder than learning the whole play. It’s interesting.

LILY: I was such a fan of Elaine May and Mike Nichols when they first started working [An Evening with Mike Nichols and Elaine May]. And one night, many years later, I did a big benefit at the Hollywood Bowl. They were already famous for many other things by this time. But I’d been so influenced by them and Elaine was there — I’d never met her — but she was in the front row or somewhere near …

MARLO: Oh, God.

LILY: … and I remember I heard her laugh at this one line and — forever that line was like magic to me.

JOAN: What’s the line?

LILY: It was in “Tell Miss Sweeney Goodbye,” this monologue I have where I say, “This year I’ve got to buckle down. The second grade is serious business.”

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Serena .
Let’s face it—Lily is just a natural at what she does. She was born to it. Ask anyone how he or she does anything great—they can’t explain it, they just do it. How did Van Gogh paint? How did Sylvia Plath write? How does Jane Wagner come up with such a winning dialogue and weave seemingly unrelated characters together in a “cosmic mish-mash?”
By Serena . on 06/11/2008 5:32 am
Kay Sara
Madelaine Kahn’s performance in Blazing Saddles totally mystifies and baffles me. She was so incredibly good and it was such a layered complex performance yet so effortless and hilarious. HOW DID SHE DO IT? I am so glad she was nominated for an academy award for that performance - comedies hardly ever get any recognition for talent and merit. Lily Tomlin’s Mother’s Day card video was on the same level of fantastic (where she was picking out a card in a drug store). Just the way Ms. Tomlin sashayed into the store- cracked me up. I had to call my husband and boys over to see this- it was a “can’t miss” video. Ms. Tomlin was also great in The Kid. We need more Lily Tomlin- she is a great talent with timeless humor.
By Kay Sara on 06/11/2008 5:05 pm
CAROLINE MuLVEY
Lily you are a great actor. I have seen you in a few things. I am glad that you love to make people laugh. I really appreciate your gift. Thank-you for your joy of giving your gift of acting for all to see and enjoy. Thank-You!
By CAROLINE MuLVEY on 06/11/2008 7:33 am
James the Game
Fascinating, the mental/physical cues and tricks of the acting trade. It reminds me of the martial arts. The reason you repeat the forms/katas over and over, year after year, is so you don’t have to consciously think in a fighting situation, because there is no time to think. Many times in sparring I have watched my hands or feet do something before I even consciously thought about it. Bruce Lee used to hold up his fist and say, “I don’t hit. It hits all by itself.” Veteran actors/actresses are so smooth and natural, probably because they’re doing so many things instinctively/subconscously that rookies have to think about consciously on the stage. Being able to feel how to do something without thinking about it too much is what Bruce called “no-mindedness”.
By James the Game on 06/11/2008 8:43 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe
What a treat to listen to your conversation about acting. Marlo: I remember your performance in “Crackers” and thought it amazing. And Lily, you of the wonderful, funny characters, thanks for giving us the link to the Nichols-May bit. Those two were, in my estimation, perfect together performing perfectly. When I was seven I decided I wanted to be a movie star––I was smitten I could sing like Betty Hutton, cry like Margaret O’Brien, and try to dance like Ginger Rogers. In High School I was in all the plays, most of the musicals and did Declamations traveling to different cities within my state for competitions. I went to Stephens College in Columbia, Mo. after graduation because they had such an excellent drama program. I got the lead in the first play of the season and at that time George C. Scott was directing it, but halfway through he left due to some business over his liaison with a student and, of course, at this point in his life he was drinking rather heavily,I think. Suffice it to say it proved to be very good training and I later did summer stock and community theater , but only as a avocation because after Stephens I went to the U. of M. for Med Tech training. I look back at all that acting–––so many years of loving it so and today I have no desire to act, but do have a desire to direct. I find that strange , but interesting. Again, thanks for the discussion, it brings back memories.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 06/11/2008 8:55 am
Deni G
What an interesting conversation! I really loved this and the different approaches, views each of you have.

And I have so many thoughts going through my head. The comment about writing not being immediate struck me. I realized that’s actually the problem I have with writing. When I have to write an important piece, immediately, it is just like walking out on stage. I focus and bring myself to it and it to me and write. And it flows.

But usually, writing isn’t immediate. You do it, when you do it. And so I find myself, searching for a title or a subject or how to say a thing… and then like now…I am thinking…” is that bookcase in the living room leaning too far forward?”.
By Deni G on 06/11/2008 11:18 am
Frannie Em
Great conversation. Fascinating how artists reach inside and divine a character. Craft and being. Well you have both used it to entertain us all. It is always a pleasure to watch you. Deni, I like what you said about writing. That is really interesting.
By Frannie Em on 06/11/2008 2:31 pm
Sue E
Dear Ms. Tomlin, If I may be so brazen to suggest…was it Charles Nelson Reilly that you took acting lessons from in the early days? The late Reilly was also a very highly respected acting coach. Love, Phoeneesha The Second
By Sue E on 06/11/2008 1:02 pm
mary lou s
mary, it’s great that you are able to talk about metaphorically jumping out of the cake. sometimes you have to do a little acting when you go to fix the copier and its behavior mystifies you. but most of all when you are in a group meeting, sometimes it’s REALLY HARD to show respect for all the people there, no matter how they treat everybody else.
By mary lou s on 06/11/2008 1:17 pm
Liza D 08 .... beta
I felt as if I was sitting right there watching and listening to all the Q’s and A’s. This was like Actors Studio on WoW. Thank you!
By Liza D 08 .... beta on 06/11/2008 2:38 pm
To the beach ~~~
Really fascinating—clung to every word. Growing up near Hollywood running into stars at the Brentwood Mart and Farmers market, etc, loved the glamor, films, theatre but never any pull towards the biz so doubly interesting to read as an outsider. Love books written by people in the biz. Moss Hart’s iconic “Act One”, any by Susan Strasberg. So many performances that stay with you forever. Faye Dunaway in ‘Callas’ could not move from the seat after the curtain went down. How does someone do that night after night and matinees too? Beyond stamina— a force of nature. I agree with Lily, Mike Nichols and Elaine May are among the great teams like Kauffman and Hart. And anything written by Elaine May and with Marlo Thomas as the star you know will terrific. Great stuff, thank you.
By To the beach ~~~ on 06/11/2008 3:49 pm
My Two Cents
Lilly, I love your comedy ! I laughed so much in All Of Me with Steven Martin, it looked like you were having a wonderful time when you were dancing at the end of the movie.
By My Two Cents on 06/11/2008 4:34 pm
Maurine H
Liza brought up the Actors Studio and that’s exactly what I was thinking when I read this conversation. I know it’s asking a lot of Tom, but is there any way your conversations could be presented in video form? They are always stimulating, and this one, in particular, would be so much fun to see and hear. I know it can be done because I visit another website which presents conversations with artists, but I don’t know whether it’s cost efficient for wOw. Back to your discussion. I loved it! As a SSK (stage struck kid) I envisioned myself taking classes from Lee Strasberg. Marlo and Lily describing the learning of their crafts widened the scope and made me realize that teaching styles and techniques differ. Marlo, what you said, “For actors, you have to get back to the way you were as a child” really takes courage, I think. Your work in “Nobody’s Child” seemed like that to me, courageous and beautiful. And all of your comedy performances have been a delight. Lily, you have given me so much downright happiness with every performance I’ve been lucky enough to see, that I must thank you for it. When you have that special kind of “light from within” talent, bucket loads of training can’t possibly make a difference.
By Maurine H on 06/11/2008 4:45 pm
JJ GB
Not to negate anyone else on the panel, but since this was Lily’s topic and it is a place to state one’s opinion on a topic, I’d like to say, Lily, you are fabulously funny and entertaining when you’re doing comedy. When you’re doing drama, you are believable and perfect in the role-you are that person and I am absolutley glued to your character. I can’t imagine anyone being “horror stricken” or critical of your performances.
By JJ GB on 06/11/2008 6:21 pm
Maggi D
I have always thought that we all are actors. Cannot count the times I have been presented with a problem at work that I have shown total confidence in solving and after it was all over ran to the bathroom to puke. My awe goes to all of you that can, and want to, do that for a living. I admire you all.
By Maggi D on 06/11/2008 10:42 pm