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Conversation | 02/11/2009 9:45 am

'I've Lost My Faith in Bankers and Banks,' Says Groundbreaking Businesswoman Mary Wells

Can it - and the banks - be saved?
Image © 1946 RKO/Flickr/Courtesy Pikturz

QUESTION: What are your thoughts on the current economic and banking crisis?

MARY: I’ve lost my faith in banks and in bankers. And I never would have thought that could happen. I don’t want to give them my money. I don’t know what to think. Maybe my bed is a safer place to put my money.

JULIA: I think that’s true. And it’s happened so fast, like everything else has.  When I was a kid there were small town —

MARY: Right. Small-town banks.

JULIA: They were bank-owned, not by some conglomerate you never heard of, a string of banks. My father started a business because Wade Hallowell, the president of the bank, knew him and trusted him and said, “OK, I’m going to take a flyer on you, kid.” And my father said he didn’t think he would have worked as hard if he hadn’t known that Wade Hallowell would come and put it to him if he didn’t make the money back. Those relationships are long gone. The jump from that to, say, John Thain, who fortunately was ousted from his job last month, is just mind blowing to me. How fast we’ve come to this! I remember sitting next to Thain when he just took over the job at Merrill Lynch and he seemed like a nice enough fellow. And then I’m sitting here reading about his $85,000 rug and the bonus that he demanded, that he didn’t earn. All these guys just turned out to be sort of petty thugs in a lot of ways. It is shocking.

MARY:  There are so many kinds of bankers now. There are so many kinds of vehicles. There are so many ways to invest that have grown topsy over the last ten years. And nobody seems to have regulated a lot of them.

JUDITH: I never thought I’d see the demise of newspapers. My breakfast goes faster because there’s less newspaper, and it scares me to death that one day there won’t be any. It’s not totally the fault of the economic crisis, although that has certainly contributed to it. Not only because I’ve been with them professionally, but because it doesn’t seem right to start the day without finding out what’s going on in the world. We’re going to be dependent on people who are not known and edited. Goodness knows the newspaper business isn’t perfect, but it scares me that unedited news is going to be the only way we’re going to find out what’s going on in the world.

JULIA: I totally agree with Judith. That’s a real personal loss as a reader, not just as a writer. It’s sort of like Mary saying she doesn’t have faith in banks. That loss of faith is sort of an emotional thing. This is equally emotional. I don’t want to get my news from bloggers and whomever all the time. But on a more personal level, this has happened so fast. My good friend, Michael Boodro, was until recently the editor-in-chief of Martha Stewart Living. Well, they just slashed their budget in half, let him go as part of that deal and, of course, made him a scapegoat, when he’s certainly not responsible for the fact that their ad pages were down by 20 percent. But, he said to me a few weeks ago, when he saw the handwriting on the wall, he said, “You know, I knew that print-media journalists were all about to become dinosaurs, but I didn’t know it would happen this fast.” And sure enough, two friends of mine at Domino lost their jobs when the magazine was closed. And that had been a magazine that started with real promise at Condé Nast and it was a success. And a month ago a friend of mine at Cottage Living, which closed, wrote and said, “Do you have any idea where I can go to get a job?” And I didn’t have a thing to say to her.

84 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

S.J. Morgan
My small local bank is solid..it is the bigger banks that are making it hard on all the others.
By S.J. Morgan on 02/11/2009 11:01 am
Suzanne Frazier
I’ve been banking at a credit union since 1978. You haven’t heard anything bad about credit unions. They are managed with integrity. You might want to look to a local credit. union. They are NOT FOR PROFIT. So they have interest in keeping your money safe, not paying dividends to investors. And the board of directors are made up of members voted on from the list of credit union members. There is no outsider interest in any process.
By Suzanne Frazier on 02/12/2009 12:09 pm
Frannie Em
Suzanne I have been thinking about changing to a credit union. I have stayed at a larger bank so that my husband has ATM’s available wherever he goes, because he will indiscriminately get money out from any ATM and the fees incurred are a drag.
By Frannie Em on 02/13/2009 8:47 pm
Suzanne Frazier
Surprise, surprise. The big banks don’t want you to know this, but credit unions have bank cards, credit cards and ATMS. And they usually cost less. And the interest rates on credit cards are more reasonable for people who sensibly use their cards. They also have car, house and personal loans. They are very reasonable and as far as I can tell, safe.
By Suzanne Frazier on 02/14/2009 9:34 am
f p
Join the countless millions Mary :-)
By f p on 02/11/2009 11:11 am
DeBúrca obj
I am by no means a financial expert, but wouldn’t we be better off if we had all those small community banks again which have been absorbed into just a few huge banks? Same with businesses that are said to be “too big to fail”. How did they get so freaking big? Don’t we have regulations that prevent that, for the health of the economy? Never mind.
By DeBúrca obj on 02/11/2009 11:23 am
Diana T
You can thank Phil Gramm for this one, DeB. Of course we were better off before the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of ‘99. That’s the bill that repealed the part of the Glass-Steagall Act that made banks, securities and insurance competitive with each other so that they could have similar products and services, and that is when all these mergers started taking place. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm-Leach-Bliley_Act
By Diana T on 02/11/2009 12:07 pm
DeBúrca obj
Love that link Diana. A timely reminder of how we got to this place!
By DeBúrca obj on 02/11/2009 12:41 pm
f p
Yep and we have Bill Clinton to thank for signing that reprehensible bill of Gramm’s.
By f p on 02/11/2009 1:35 pm
Diana T
We do, Frank, but he had no choice because of all the other stuff he was going through with congress.
By Diana T on 02/11/2009 2:39 pm
Wow Trop de classe
Diana, Yes, that and totally deregulating derivatives as soon as Bush got in—the two things signaling they were going to game the system again a la the BCCI scandal and Silverado debacles etc. People have short memories. I told my mother in 2001 when Gramm deregulated derivatives…here it goes…buy Gold. Derivatives went from $9T in 2001 to over $700T today with $50T valued world economy. Impossible to be stable when built on sand. Jim Leher program was excellent last night. Three top economists. But to important things! I added lots of French links to my blog last night you’d love…..especially a French Gardening site….one of the most charming have ever seen. Later today am doing more….http://web.mac.com/myfrenchheart
By Wow Trop de classe on 02/11/2009 4:25 pm
Diana T
Uh-oh. French Gardening you say? I’ll go there then. I love French gardens; I’ll never forget rambling around Villandry. But, my knowledge is really in English Garden Design.
By Diana T on 02/11/2009 6:03 pm
Ms. Dee
Woo-hoo! Suzanne’s flag is flying again! Does this signify some success with the novel???
By Ms. Dee on 02/11/2009 9:27 pm
Diana T
Years ago, I moved to the smallest bank in town. Has one branch, but gives me all the services that the big banks do. I can see the president of it anytime I want to because he’s right downtown. I’ve always preferred the locally owned banks because I prefer the personal service, they don’t get involved with these mergers and they are consistently solvent.
By Diana T on 02/11/2009 12:03 pm
f p
Me too—right here in River City. :-)
By f p on 02/11/2009 1:36 pm