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Conversation | 02/11/2009 9:45 am

'I've Lost My Faith in Bankers and Banks,' Says Groundbreaking Businesswoman Mary Wells

Can it - and the banks - be saved?
Image © 1946 RKO/Flickr/Courtesy Pikturz

QUESTION: What are your thoughts on the current economic and banking crisis?

MARY: I’ve lost my faith in banks and in bankers. And I never would have thought that could happen. I don’t want to give them my money. I don’t know what to think. Maybe my bed is a safer place to put my money.

JULIA: I think that’s true. And it’s happened so fast, like everything else has.  When I was a kid there were small town —

MARY: Right. Small-town banks.

JULIA: They were bank-owned, not by some conglomerate you never heard of, a string of banks. My father started a business because Wade Hallowell, the president of the bank, knew him and trusted him and said, “OK, I’m going to take a flyer on you, kid.” And my father said he didn’t think he would have worked as hard if he hadn’t known that Wade Hallowell would come and put it to him if he didn’t make the money back. Those relationships are long gone. The jump from that to, say, John Thain, who fortunately was ousted from his job last month, is just mind blowing to me. How fast we’ve come to this! I remember sitting next to Thain when he just took over the job at Merrill Lynch and he seemed like a nice enough fellow. And then I’m sitting here reading about his $85,000 rug and the bonus that he demanded, that he didn’t earn. All these guys just turned out to be sort of petty thugs in a lot of ways. It is shocking.

MARY:  There are so many kinds of bankers now. There are so many kinds of vehicles. There are so many ways to invest that have grown topsy over the last ten years. And nobody seems to have regulated a lot of them.

JUDITH: I never thought I’d see the demise of newspapers. My breakfast goes faster because there’s less newspaper, and it scares me to death that one day there won’t be any. It’s not totally the fault of the economic crisis, although that has certainly contributed to it. Not only because I’ve been with them professionally, but because it doesn’t seem right to start the day without finding out what’s going on in the world. We’re going to be dependent on people who are not known and edited. Goodness knows the newspaper business isn’t perfect, but it scares me that unedited news is going to be the only way we’re going to find out what’s going on in the world.

JULIA: I totally agree with Judith. That’s a real personal loss as a reader, not just as a writer. It’s sort of like Mary saying she doesn’t have faith in banks. That loss of faith is sort of an emotional thing. This is equally emotional. I don’t want to get my news from bloggers and whomever all the time. But on a more personal level, this has happened so fast. My good friend, Michael Boodro, was until recently the editor-in-chief of Martha Stewart Living. Well, they just slashed their budget in half, let him go as part of that deal and, of course, made him a scapegoat, when he’s certainly not responsible for the fact that their ad pages were down by 20 percent. But, he said to me a few weeks ago, when he saw the handwriting on the wall, he said, “You know, I knew that print-media journalists were all about to become dinosaurs, but I didn’t know it would happen this fast.” And sure enough, two friends of mine at Domino lost their jobs when the magazine was closed. And that had been a magazine that started with real promise at Condé Nast and it was a success. And a month ago a friend of mine at Cottage Living, which closed, wrote and said, “Do you have any idea where I can go to get a job?” And I didn’t have a thing to say to her.

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Lee Harrison
Judith and Julia’s points about failing newspapers has a sort of scary aspect for all of us. Without strong newspapers we lose hard-hitting reporters of the Woodward and Bernstein ilk. Those reporters are our watchdogs and we need them more than ever now.
By Lee Harrison on 02/11/2009 6:47 pm
Ro H
Lee Harrison, It is my hope that the News business will be done online, rather than lose the news companies, completely. It enables people to print out only what they need, and save more trees, maybe? I try to look for all the positives… It appears that more and more our reliance on communications will be maintained via broadband and electronic media, overall. It is a sad thing though, to possibly lose out on such a long, long tradition. One could jump a bit more and submit it sounds too much like Orwells “1984” also. I hope there is a good balance somewhere, in all this.
By Ro H on 02/12/2009 3:17 am
Lee Harrison
Ro, But don’t you see how that cuts down on the number of reporters and therefore the caliber of same? These days, it seems like every news story I read is from AP.
By Lee Harrison on 02/12/2009 5:25 am
Ro H
But don’t you see how that cuts down on the number of reporters and therefore the caliber of same? These days, it seems like every news story I read is from AP. By Lee Harrison on 02/12/2009 6:25 am You may be right, or, it could actually increase the amount of news we read. We will not know for certain until we face the exact moment of dramatic changes like this one. I worry also that we will become more inclined to believe whatever we find written, and less inclined to use our own imagination. There is of course, the chance that many writers will be much more original in their efforts to catch the eye of the readers. I think it is a scary time for many, and an equally challenging time, as well. I simply hope and pray we can all use just such a time to improve our country, our laws, and our selves. If, this stimulus package which is being put together by congress is actually the real deal, it seems it will ultimately give our country a good kick start, again. While, the going will be slow and uncomfortable, it is my hope that in this process we can get a lot of the old garbage cleaned up. A fresh, new start is kind of forward looking and maybe even exciting as the final outcome.
By Ro H on 02/13/2009 5:24 pm
Lee Harrison
Ro…you have a wonderful attitude! You’re thoughtful without being too skeptical…not something I can say about myself! BTW, my maiden name is Hansen. Where are you (or your people) from? My dad was born in Milwaukee.
By Lee Harrison on 02/13/2009 8:07 pm
Ro H
BTW, my maiden name is Hansen. Where are you (or your people) from? My dad was born in Milwaukee. By Lee Harrison on 02/13/2009 9:07 pm Mother, and father, brothers and myself born in (Beloit) WI It is actually my mothers maiden name, I am using.
By Ro H on 02/15/2009 12:02 am
Lisa C.
Do you know what I wish? I wish that when economic times are tough for me I could print up more money so I could pay my bills. Let’s see, there must be a reason that I’m not allowed to scan twenty-dollar bills and run them off on my color printer. Oh, that’s right, there’s a law about counterfeiting. Counterfeiting is only legal when it’s done by the U.S. Treasury. So, we’ve already appropriated over one trillion U.S. dollars in bailout money and now we’re getting ready to add almost another trillion — all in the name of saving the economy? Is it me? What exactly did we get after appropriating the first trillion (most of which has already been disbursed.) In the past 90 days we’ve lost an additional 1.5 million jobs and there is no sign of layoff-mania letting up. Our politicians would have us believe that things could be worse. But, does anyone actually believe that? How stupid are Americans anyway? It’s like this whole digital television switch postponement. Are you kidding me? Too many Americans aren’t aware of the switch and aren’t ready? So, in other words, the politicians would have us believe that some six million American television viewers somehow managed to miss some combination of the increasingly frequent and randomly-broadcast warning crawlers, television spots and 30-minute infomercials informing them that analog over-the-air television reception will no longer be available effective 17 February 2009. What the heck has happened to the America I knew growing up? REFERENCES: http://theunbrokenwindow.com/2009/01/13/why-is-counterfeiting-illegal/ http://money.howstuffworks.com/counterfeit.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfeit#Effect_on_society
By Lisa C. on 02/11/2009 7:56 pm
margameri margameri
In today’s columnTom Friedman quotes Shekhar Gupta, editor of The Indian Express saying (tongue in cheek, he says) “All you need to do is grant visas to 2 million Indians, CHinese, and Koreans. We will buy up all the subprime homes. We will work 18 hours a day to pay for them. We will immediately improve your savings rate - no Indian bank today has more than 2% non-performing loans because not paying your mortgage is considered shameful here. And we will start new companies to create our own jobs and jobs for more Americans.” My husband, an online Nepalese journalist, has been saying this for months. Just allow the undocumented Nepalese and others who are already here, working 7 days a week, living in the shadows and saving their money, to receive green cards and one day achieve the citizenship they dream of. They have been saving, and long to own homes. They are entrepreneurial, they work hard, husbands, wives, aunts, uncles, cousins together. They make sure their children are educated and disciplined. They exemplify “family values” . I know - my social network is largely in the Nepali community, where I am called “Didi” (sister), and showered with warmth and affection. Immigration has been a large part of the core of this nation, yet in this bailout congress is stupidly disallowing the employment of high-skilled H1B visa holders by the bailed-out. To quote Friedman again:” We need to attack this financial crisis with green cards, not just greenbacks, and with start-ups not just bailouts.” What we ARE doing is swooping up immigrants in raids, separating families, locking people up in detention centers then deporting them after months or years of imprisonment. Who do you think pays for all this? Well over $100/day per detainee, flights to all parts of the world accompanied by 2 officers per deportee (except for those who die while in custody from lack of proper treatment or suicide) and overnight hotels for the accompanying officers all paid for by our tax money.
By margameri margameri on 02/11/2009 9:38 pm
Micky Mc
If any of us did to other people what the banks and large companies that are getting all the bailouts are doing, we would be charged and put into jail. Why is there no accountability anymore? How is it that company leaders become so powerful and huge! that they can walk away with other peoples money and actually think they deserve it?
By Micky Mc on 02/11/2009 9:51 pm
Ro H
Micky Mc, Since the days of Reaganomics perhaps even longer, the banks and large corporations have been running America. It’s beginning to catch up with them, finally. Congress is doing a whole, huge sweep of all the garbage which has been left behind, and they are working on major cleanups. I encourage everyone to call, email, snail mail, or blog, and let our congress people know that we definitely approve and we want full accountability. It wasn’t the masses that put us in this position, afterall - it is up to the masses, however, to ensure it is cleaned-up, repaired and re-organized for all our benefits. This is such an amazing opportunity for this great country. And, no thanks - we do not need to sell out anymore of America to other nations… It is time we re-develop America - not for them, but for US.
By Ro H on 02/12/2009 3:30 am
Ms. Dee
Mary Wells: I understand your disillusion with banks and bankers. Have you looked into credit unions? Maybe you could find one that’s maintained solvency through all this and put some of your money there for awhile. I take no pleasure, perverse or otherwise, in people who find the tables turned on them; finding themselves suddenly betrayed by institutions, companies, even people, they though they could trust. That’s the real down-turn, the personal crisis of confidence in our own powers of discernment. And that can stifle creativity and invention and all sorts of things. Thanks, Mary, Julia and Judith, for sharing your personal dilemmas with us. Let’s all try to keep thinking creatively in our own lives and not hesitate invest in ingenuity wherever it raises its surprising head. Remember when Reagan said, government isn’t the solution, government is the problem? I think the same can be said for wealth. It isn’t the secret to global equanimity, in many ways its at the root of global strife.
By Ms. Dee on 02/11/2009 10:24 pm
Meg Rafferty
If I had a lot of money I would keep it under my bed, but then I would have to buy a king size bed and frame to have room under it. I would get a safe, and an home alarm, and a gun, stop! I enjoy going to the bank where they are keeping my money safe. Mr. Banker, you do have our money don’t you?
By Meg Rafferty on 02/11/2009 11:31 pm
kermie b
From above: “It’s as if any kind of initiative has been bred out of people. It’s like a whole generation of people with no initiative at all.” I totally understand this concept. From an early age, I worked to buy the things I needed. If my job didn’t provide enough, I worked overtime or got a second job. I have never asked any of my family members for money; it is a point of pride for me. But they constantly ask me for money. I stopped giving them “loans” (they were never paid back) a long time ago. I have an older sister who has always lived way beyond her means. She took the money her son’s father gave her for child support and totally remodeled her kitchen, sink, appliances, everything down to the tiles on the wall and floor. It functioned perfectly before this; she just wanted the newest version of everything one sees in Williams Sonoma, and feels she deserves this. She wasn’t even ashamed when she told me she used money that is rightfully my nephew’s college fund. Then she complained she didn’t have money for heating oil and hit me up for a loan. I had to remind her I am recently unemployed. She is just so used to asking me for money, it is a reflex for her. It was one of those “slap your forehead” moments for me. Sometimes I wonder how we can be related and be so very different.
By kermie b on 02/12/2009 4:53 am
Suzanne Frazier
I’m sorry that from your family experience you are generalizing about the next generation. I think they are great and have great initiative, especially in these bad times. They work hard and they aren’t getting such a free ride as we did in the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s.
By Suzanne Frazier on 02/12/2009 12:13 pm
kermie b
Free ride? I never had a free ride. i don’t know what you are talking about.
By kermie b on 02/12/2009 4:15 pm