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Conversation | 11/18/2008 9:45 am

Candice Bergen: What Murphy Brown Would Have Said About Sarah Palin

A Conversation with Candice Bergen, Cynthia McFadden and Liz Smith on the Palin Effect
CANDICE: Well, it’s very hard not to have had the show during this because it just is such a feast. Murphy was thrown out of the White House by the Clintons on a number of occasions, but I think Murphy would have reconciled with Hillary, who she might have overlapped with at Wellesley, and would have supported Hillary until Hillary dropped out, and then just thrown everything behind Obama – which is sort of what I did.

LIZ: But, Murphy was a correspondent. Would they have thrown her off of the network?

CANDICE: Oh, well, she would have had to have done it, subversively, of course.

LIZ: Yes, she would have been chomping at the bit all the time.

CYNTHIA: I think she would have had an interview with Sarah Palin. What do you think?

CANDICE: Oh, God, that would have been fantastic.

CYNTHIA: Wouldn’t you have loved that?

LIZ: Well, I know that Candy doesn’t wish to die young, so there’s no way Murphy could come back. But, God, it would be great if Murphy could come back.

CANDICE: As long as Sarah Palin remained peak entertainment and wasn’t elected, what a galvanizing moment.

LIZ: Well, I think she’ll become a really interesting, polarizing point because she presents the Republican party with a real dilemma. Are they going her way or are they going to ever go back to being the "establishment conservatives" they were once — the elite, the rich, the privileged.

CYNTHIA: Well, I can tell you, on that lawn in Phoenix on election night, people were furious that Sarah Palin didn’t speak. They wanted to hear from Sarah. She definitely had spoken to a deep segment of the Republican party and it’ll be interesting to see what happens next. 

LIZ: What was the reason she didn’t speak?

CYNTHIA: Oh, it was complicated. You know, Joe Biden didn’t speak either. But there was something going on and I can tell you only what happened. We first got notification that she was going out – presumably to speak, prior to John McCain taking the podium. But we all went out to be in position. About 15 minutes after that we got an e-mail from her press secretary saying that she was not going to speak and might not even be on the podium, or on the stage. Now, the speculation has been — I don’t know that this is true or not true — the speculation was that she was in fact prepared to speak, and that she was told by the McCain people that she would not be speaking, and wasn’t too happy about that. Clearly there was trouble in paradise. It’s not McCain and Palin themselves. Their staffs had it with each other by that point. We’ve seen some of that in the press in the last few days.

LIZ: Well, ladies, we haven’t heard the end of her yet. A lot of people delight in her and she drives a lot of other people crazy. So you see, we aren’t done yet. If she stays in the Republican party in a very large manner, it sure won’t be the party of William Buckley anymore, will it? I mean, it’ll be a party not of devout intellectuals but only of evangelicals and really right-wing people. And I hate to say this, a lot of people that don’t think very straight, in my humble opinion. So it’ll either kill the Republican party or the party could persevere because of Sarah Palin. That would be very bad, in my opinion.

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Mandy Young
You are truly Queen of Mean. Even after the election, you continue to spread lies and smear.
By Mandy Young on 11/18/2008 5:02 pm
DeBúrca obj
I never spread lies or smear. Never have.
By DeBúrca obj on 11/18/2008 7:45 pm
DeBúrca obj
LOL, I looked above to see what you could possibly be referring to… and you are referring to a NYT article by Dick Cavett as “lies and smear”. Just because you don’t want to face the truth, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
By DeBúrca obj on 11/18/2008 7:47 pm
MaryPage Drake
Calm down. Open your eyes and unplug your ears, Galfriend. No lies here. No smear here. Palin is the Queen of Lies and Smears. Also of empty-headed know-nothingness which made our beloved nation A SOURCE OF RIDICULE AND LAUGHTER to the rest of this planet! THINK about it!
By MaryPage Drake on 11/19/2008 9:08 am
Jane Becker
Hmmm…and no mention of the fact that Obama’s campaign slogan was one big dangling participle—-? Jane Becker http://thedamedomain.blogspot.com
By Jane Becker on 11/18/2008 6:21 pm
DeBúrca obj
Obama speaks in understandable, well informed, intelligent sentences which combine into understandable, well informed, intelligent paragraphs.
By DeBúrca obj on 11/18/2008 7:59 pm
Linda Mason
Hi Jane! OBAMA’s CAMPAIGN SLOGAN WAS ONE BIG DANGLING PARTICIPLE! There—it’s been mentioned. And he is still the President-elect!
By Linda Mason on 11/20/2008 9:44 pm
DeBúrca obj
And as long as there are Palin threads, we may as well update the available information. “Half-Baked in Alaska: Palin’s 11th Hour ‘Troopergate’ Exoneration Was a Lie”: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-dunn/half-baked-in-alaska-pali_b_…
By DeBúrca obj on 11/18/2008 11:00 am
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Murphy Brown and Boston Legal….two of the best shows ever. I don’t find anything even a tad attractive about an ignorant regressive…Larry Beinhart [author of ‘Wag the Dog’ etc] said it best: “Sarah, I love you for having revealed unto the media the snarling heart of the beast that is the base (and the soul) of the Republican Party. Yes, you have the lipstick and the heels, not to mention the calves and bosoms, that send Republican men into swoons, but you have more; the pit-bull snarl that rouses your supporters to cry out, “Traitor!” against Obama, and “Kill him!” “George Bush kept those folks in their kennels, ran as a “compassionate conservative,” and always masked his most heinous plans in double speak. Bush the Elder, Ronald Reagan, and even Richard Nixon never explicitly ran on hate and fear of “the other.” They used words that were coded enough that it was possible to pretend that they were true. “But now the beast is loose. “The Republican Party likes to remember Abraham Lincoln. And so they should. It’s a nice memory and brings credit to them. As does the accidental ascension of Teddy Roosevelt, environmentalist and basher of corporations. Back in the 1950s and ’60s, their party included such figures as Dwight Eisenhower — whose reputation grows ever better in retrospect — Nelson Rockefeller, who built New York’s state university system, and New York City mayor John Lindsey. “But there is another strand that runs through their history. “Back in the 1840s, there was a group called the Know Nothings. They were against immigrants and for real Americans. (“Real American” did not then, as it does not now, refer to Indians, it refers to descendants of English immigrants.) The movement was based on fear. Irish and German Catholics were going to take over. They would take orders from the Pope-in-Rome (one word). Their values were not “our values.” They drank. Their nunneries were virtual brothels and when the nuns had babies they practiced infanticide. “The Know Nothings started with secret societies like the Order of the Star Spangled Banner, associated with William Poole, better known as Bill the Butcher, depicted by Daniel Day Lewis in Gangs of New York. Their public political face was the American Republican Party, which became the Native American Party, and finally the American Party. “Their platform was: - Severe limits on immigration, especially from Catholic countries. - Restricting political office to “native-born” Americans. - Mandating a wait of 21 years before an immigrant could gain citizenship. - Restricting public school teaching to Protestants. - Mandating daily Bible readings in public schools (from the Protestant version of the Bible). - Restricting the sale of liquor. “For a brief time, the American Party was wildly popular. In 1854, party membership swelled from 50,000 to over a million in a matter of months. It elected mayors in Philadelphia, Boston, Washington, DC, San Francisco, and Chicago, and won the state legislature and governorship of Massachusetts. “But there were other things going on: the Mexican War, slavery, secession, and the Civil War. The movement didn’t last long and was soon absorbed by the Republican Party. “…The Great Depression demonstrated that the principles of the Republican Party were bankrupt. Like most of the country. The Democrats became the progressive party, representing social justice and programs that would protect capitalism from its own worst tendencies, moving toward a vision of a perfectable world. The Republicans became — in a very literal sense — a reactionary party, reacting against whatever the Democrats were doing, engaged in a 60-year-long war against the New Deal. ‘Lyndon Johnson is the pivotal figure, both heroic and deeply tragic. The Democratic Party’s dirty public secret was that its political hegemony rested on the Solid South, still refusing to vote Republican out of hatred of Lincoln. Johnson knew that if he pushed through the Civil Rights Act his party would lose the South for a generation. Or more. His heroism is that he did anyway. No, he did not end the race issue, but he broke the back of segregation. “The Republicans saw their opportunity. They pursued the Southern Strategy, wooing resentful whites with great success. “But two things happened. “Racism became less and less tenable. The generation that cherished it has grown old. That pillar of the Republican Party is crumbling. “And then along came Bush-Cheney. Like Herbert Hoover, in the process of leading the country to bankruptcy they demonstrated that the Republican Party’s ideas were also bankrupt. They made government bigger, not smaller — and more intrusive, too. They didn’t oppose special interests, they were the special interests. They didn’t oppose lobbyists, they forced lobbyists to join their party at fiscal gunpoint. They were militaristic on parade, but could not run a war. They could not protect the country, nor punish the people who actually attacked us. Their policies demonstrated that free markets are a fiction, and real markets need more supervision than a grade-school playground. “Along came John McCain. He looked out, from sea to shining sea, from the mountains, to the prairies, in search of voters who would vote for him. All he could find were the new Know Nothings. People who, frightened of the way things are changing, want to change back to that white, Protestant place it was, oh, sometime back before 1840. American Firsters. Anti-immigrant. Anti-foreigner. Anti-elite. Anti-intelligence. “Not quite capable of running as a true Know Nothing himself, he chose someone who could: Sarah Palin. She does it well, and in so doing, shows us, clearly and simply, who they really are.” Amen to that. She is the worst America has to offer in a package that appeals to other Know Nothings.
By Delete This on 11/18/2008 11:43 am
beverly linens
Suzanne, where did you find this quote? I find it difficult to download from wowowow and would like to keep a copy of it. So if you could give me your source I would love it. It is is truth. It is because of the original stuff going on in the democratic party that I became a republican and struggled for years with their demons. The party you see today is a result of the dixiecrats that moved in after the sixties. The Reagan bunch were the ones that activated them. Intillegence wasn’t their strongest suit and now see where we are. Celebrating ignorance. I’m going to change my registration before the next election, to what, I don’t know. There is a column today in the Washington Post about the future of the Republican Party. It is interesting, read it. Bev.
By beverly linens on 11/18/2008 5:01 pm
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Here, Bev….http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-beinhart/the-new-know-nothings_b_140119.html
By Delete This on 11/18/2008 7:19 pm
beverly linens
Sizanne, Thanks!
By beverly linens on 11/18/2008 7:29 pm
elizabeth cassidy
This is what I would have said to Sarah Palin if given the chance. I think it sounds like Murphy: I have been carrying around this fear that wakes me up at night and leaves me feeling like I don’t have the right to feel happy about the future.That none of us do. And it is because of what you have been spewing about. About Senator Obama and who he is and who he knows. First of all, I think slander of any kind can be dangerous especially if the wrong people wrap their warped minds around it and proclaim it to be their truth. Then we are in for some major trouble. And in my heart of hearts, I don’t think you would want this on your conscience. I am disagree with almost everything you say and I can fight to keep your thoughts from becoming a reality, but I can’t be responsible for somebody else’s behavior because of what you are saying and what this campaign has been doing. But , you and the campaign of McCain will be held responsible. I strongly feel that all of this talk about Bill Ayres and Senator Obama has got to stop and stop now before you cause some unthinkable tragedy to happen. People have got to stop saying the name “Hussein” as if towers will fall and people will die. It is a name. Nothing more. Nothing less. It is not evil. Words can make people overthrow rational thought and do things they might not have considered if this type of talk does not stop now. You have got to stop pouring gasoline on the fire that is burning in the deranged hearts of some of the people in this country. Please stop it now. I do not want to hear that some good man who was meant to bring a new future and sense of hope to a lot of Americans will not be around to see the dream realized. I don’t want to read of his widow’s pain and taste the salt from his daughter’s tears. Been there. Done that. I was a child when JFK was shot down and a your girl when the two fine and strong voices of hope were tragically silenced within months of each other in 1968. I can’t have that happen in my lifetime again. There are too many of us out there who bear the wounds of a few who believed an untruth and took deadly action. They silenced our hope, they crushed our peace and they had help. Words pushed them off the deep end. Oh, yes, they had help. You don’t have to be living in a trailer to feel you can bring down a good man. There were parties held in mansions after Caroline Kennedy lost her father too soon. Hate can wear overalls and sport a few less teeth just as much as it can walk around in a suit that costs more then some people make in a year. I never thought I would be reduced to begging, but it means this much to me and to all the people who know that it only takes one person to turn the world up side down. Please, MS. Palin stop all this talk about Senator Obama making nice with a national terrorist. Don’t give a sick and delusional mind permission to end yet another dream. You would not be able to forgive yourself and neither would I.
By elizabeth cassidy on 11/18/2008 11:54 am
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Great post Elizabeth. The Democrats should reinstate the Fairness Doctrine to stop this spewing of lies to incite hate and violence over the airwaves….We fine networks because a beast is exposed but not for rankest barbarism?
By Delete This on 11/18/2008 12:15 pm
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That’s ‘breast’ is exposed…the GOP just thinks it’s a ‘beast.’ ha.
By Delete This on 11/18/2008 4:16 pm