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Conversation | 05/09/2008 4:43 pm

Cokie Roberts: 'Hillary Is Negotiating Her Withdrawal'

© AP

A Q&A with ABC News correspondent Cokie Roberts.

LESLEY: Let’s talk about Hillary. I’m wondering, how do you explain her unwillingness, at this point, to throw in the towel? Does she really think she has a shot at winning this? Is she addicted to campaigning, which is my favorite possibility here. She’s kind of unable to give it up. Does she think there’s another shoe to drop with Obama? What do you think?

COKIE: I think that she is taking a somewhat graceful and prolonged exit. You know, when you’ve been running this hard and have won this much, you don’t just go. And the truth is, when you’re this significant a candidate you negotiate a withdrawal. It’s almost like a plea bargain. You start talking about paying off debt and about convention roles. There are all kinds of things that have to be negotiated. But I also do think that she feels strongly that she is the better candidate — and you can make a good case of that given the way the votes played out in these primaries and caucuses — and that by staying in until it’s over, perhaps something will happen.

LESLEY: Assuming, though, that he does win this nomination, do you think she will be anything less than enthusiastically behind him and corralling her supporters into his camp? Or, is there any chance there’ll be a moment like the one at the ‘80 convention.

COKIE: No, I don’t think there’s going to be that kind of moment. I think that Hillary Clinton is too interested in her own political future to be seen as someone who is tearing the party apart at that moment.

LESLEY: Will she go all out, do you think?

COKIE: I think she’d campaign for him. But, you can’t move your supporters. You know that, Lesley. The endorsements hardly matter at all, particularly at the presidential level. Or she can say, "I want everybody to vote for him. I think he’s terrific. I think he should be president." And those working-class Democrats who voted for her can say, "Have yourself a ball, Hillary. I’m voting for John McCain."

LESLEY: And do you think that’s going to happen?

COKIE: I do think that’s going to happen in a lot of cases.

LESLEY: Really?

COKIE: The fact that John McCain is doing as well as he is in a year that should by all odds be an overwhelmingly Democratic year tells you that there’s a lot of unhappiness with these Democratic candidates. You know, many people say this was the year when the Democrats needed to nominate a boring white guy, somebody who you didn’t even hear talk because all he needed to have was "D" after his name.

LESLEY: Show up, right?

COKIE: Show up. Exactly. And instead they’ve had this very exciting, historic nomination process. But it might not work so well for them in the end.

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Frannie Em
Suzanne, I think you pose an interesting question about why one of the richest districts would go for Obama. Is this the Shriver and Oprah influence? Were deals made etc? Do you only think that happens on the right? I don’t think so. Mark Klein can only do as much harm as you let him. He is not a power here, only if you let him. He was kind of like a bug flying around trying to make trouble. Most just ignored him, and still do.
By Frannie Em on 05/10/2008 5:24 pm
Frannie Em
Suzanne, you have brought up the Mark Klein thing on several occasions, just let me say this, if that day I hurt your feelings, I am sorry. I didn’t mean to.
By Frannie Em on 05/10/2008 8:52 pm
mary lou s
suzanne, from another post, here is my reply to your question. i do not say what i think so much as what happened. mary lou s - 5/9/2008 10:31 PM code pink and much of the progressive left decided that hillary was a warmonger and barack a peacemaker. i think those labels stuck. however, many of those same people think nancy pelosi is also a warmonger because she could not get a withdrawal timetable past the presidential veto, and none of the legislature wanted to leave the soldiers in war but unfunded. also, the image of hillary as a liar and manipulator stuck to hillary but not to barack. if you ask, you can probably see HIS lies and manipulations, too. unfortunately, we in michigan feel like the tennis ball being batted between them.
By mary lou s on 05/11/2008 8:18 pm
C A Rose
Well said Suzanne!
By C A Rose on 05/10/2008 12:37 am
Buh- Bye
This whole discussion has just driven me to HillaryClinton.com to make phone calls on her behalf.
By Buh- Bye on 05/10/2008 10:06 am
Mugsy Peabody
Pi, this is infinitely more useful. Thanks for clarifying the situation.
By Mugsy Peabody on 05/10/2008 2:56 pm
Frannie Em
Mugsy and Pi - love how you keep it clean
By Frannie Em on 05/10/2008 5:26 pm
mitzi morris
I agree with everything you say, but there is one factor here that is beyond anyone’s control. Many HRC supporters are furious about Florida and Mi, and perceive Dean,Kennedy,Kerry,Pelosi, and Brazille et al as the creators of a coup. Actually this is not too far fetched considering how insulting Teddy was today in his dismissive remarks when asked abut the possibility of Clinton being a VPres consideration. Angry are the women who have seen sexism gain the aura of respectability. Many may write in a HRC ballot. Others I speak to will vote McCain, and some are so dsgusted with the “Party” that they will go Indie, and some won’t vote at all. Rumor also has it that Obama was the perfect opportunity for Kennedy and friends to wrest power from the Clintons. As fundraisers in chief they had a lot of power which others in the party wanted to see an end to. Obama was their shot and they bet his oratory and charisma would carry the day. Any super delegates experiencng buyers remorse can’t do much. The black caucus will revolt and cost the party 25% of its base if Obama is not nominated, and they are calling the shots. I imagine HRC will have the political poise to bargain a good position [debts?], or whatever, but agree that she will stump for Obama. She certainly wants Democrats in power no matter what, but the disafected women and “typical” white voters will really decide this for Obama. Oh yes, and how many goofs he does or doesn’t make.
By mitzi morris on 05/09/2008 11:55 pm
zut alors
Great post Mitzi-I don’t know anything about a Kennedy/Kerry led coup…but I certaintly don’t discount anything in politics and will investigate this.If Obama gets the nomination he will need a very strong running mate, no question. But I keep on asking, and haven’t seen an opinion yet, why is it do people think that in Nancy Pelosi’s mostly white, educated, affluent district in San Franciso…a city that was strongly for Bill Clinton and which HRC should own…did that district go 70% for Obama and with only 8% AfAm…..about 25% Asian. This should be a bellwether.
By zut alors on 05/10/2008 12:10 am
mitzi morris
Suzanne, San Francisco is unusual in many ways politically. A predominant Gay Community and some of the wealthiest in the Nation share the grapes and politics. I have no way of knowing how SF will go, but just last night Donna Brazille imploded on CNN as she parried with Paul Begala, a HRC supporter from Texas and from Clinton’s WHouse. Basically she said that Latinos, white working and/or blue collars, and a bunch of old people are not needed to carry the day. When challenged, she blew her cool. Brazille has hypocritically pretended to be unbiased, but it has been painfully obvious that as a paid political operative of the Democratic Party she has parsed the Delegate and Super delegate shtick to a point has revealed how totally in the tank she is for Obama. My opinion is that this election will come down to White and Latino voters and disafecteds who will absent themselves one way or the other. This will count in the big Swing States and those Obama did poorly in with large and pivotal electoral votes. He has not closed the deal inspite of a loving MSM that has lavished him with praise, lots of money,and loyal black voters as well as activists and liberals who feel he’s “the answer”. He has avoided debating HRC for obvious reasons, but this can’t last forever in the general. Florida again in my opinion will be pivotable, and if it goes sour thanks will go to Howard Dean’s inept management of the DNC, and his 48 State Strategy that was poorly handled from the get go and his his responsibility.I have to wonder where his head was when he penalized millions of voters instead of punishing the party hacks that particularly screwed up. There were other options, and the ROOLZ were enforced. So Florida and Michigan may be important in ways we cannot see just yet. Ingterestingly Teddy Kennedy who complaineth the loudest in defense of his protege Obama, is a Super who went against his voters in Mass. as they clearly favored Hillary. Also this dynastic anti hero nearly tore the party apart when he fought out a losing battle in the Convention without a hope of winning. He should talk. So there is some corruption afoot, and we’ll see if the public is ahead of the political scenarios being produced. Many factors will play out in this election that currently are not predictable, and an unexpected world event may change it all.
By mitzi morris on 05/10/2008 12:59 am
zut alors
Mitzi-“An unexpected world event may change it all.” True,or perhaps some staged event. Donna Brazzille is no favorite of mine and your post is really good…you’re so knowledgeable. The gay pop in SF is 10%…and mostly concentrated in the Castro not the 8th District. It’ll be interesting to see what happens in the next few days. I just watched an ABC News vid on my laptop that says it’s over. Believe me…..I take no pleasure whatsoever in seeing other people disappointed…and I know how fervent her supporters are. I used to be one. I will never forget how hard I worked to prevent this phony war…and all its costs that were totally predictable. HRC gave a very clear floor speech in 10/2002 she knew all the reasons it was a bad idea…her main interest was appeasing the Israel lobby. Those million innocent people, our troops—they are permanently dead. Those 2.3 m refugees, that ruined nation, our empty treasury….she was no Profile in Courage when making a decision that will impact us for the rest of our lives.
By zut alors on 05/10/2008 1:31 am
Frannie Em
Mitzi - excellent zinger of a post
By Frannie Em on 05/10/2008 5:51 pm
Frannie Em
Suzanne, to be connected with one of the most famous families in American Politics - the Kennedys via Maria Shriver. Also to be connected with the most famous and powerful African American woman in the country - Oprah Winfrey. Then there is also the question of why hollywood turned their backs on the Clintons - saying they lied a lot. These were people that knew them.
By Frannie Em on 05/10/2008 5:46 pm
mary lou s
again i reply: mary lou s - 5/9/2008 10:31 PM code pink and much of the progressive left decided that hillary was a warmonger and barack a peacemaker. i think those labels stuck. however, many of those same people think nancy pelosi is also a warmonger because she could not get a withdrawal timetable past the presidential veto, and none of the legislature wanted to leave the soldiers in war but unfunded. also, the image of hillary as a liar and manipulator stuck to hillary but not to barack. if you ask, you can probably see HIS lies and manipulations, too. unfortunately, we in michigan feel like the tennis ball being batted between them.
By mary lou s on 05/11/2008 8:29 pm
Frannie Em
Mitzi - I knew there was a power struggle between Dean and the Clintons, they just can’t stand each other and I wouldn’t be surprised that all of this is an attempt to wrest this out of the hands of the Clintons. If she makes a deal to absolve her debt, then it would seem she has to stump for Obama. But does that mean Bill would have to as well. Will Mr. Bill be working in the background against Obama, so Hill can try again in 2012? That is one of the rumors. Now, at this point, how could Obama have Hillary for VP. That means Obama would still have to be competing to some degree with a former President. Would Obama want Bill in the background? Now say if things had turned out differently - and it was Hillary and Obama for VP. Would Obama want to take that and by the vice-vice president? I think all of those ideas are strange considering the backgrounds of all the people.
By Frannie Em on 05/10/2008 5:43 pm