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Conversation | 05/09/2008 4:43 pm

Cokie Roberts: 'Hillary Is Negotiating Her Withdrawal'

© AP

A Q&A with ABC News correspondent Cokie Roberts.

LESLEY: Let’s talk about Hillary. I’m wondering, how do you explain her unwillingness, at this point, to throw in the towel? Does she really think she has a shot at winning this? Is she addicted to campaigning, which is my favorite possibility here. She’s kind of unable to give it up. Does she think there’s another shoe to drop with Obama? What do you think?

COKIE: I think that she is taking a somewhat graceful and prolonged exit. You know, when you’ve been running this hard and have won this much, you don’t just go. And the truth is, when you’re this significant a candidate you negotiate a withdrawal. It’s almost like a plea bargain. You start talking about paying off debt and about convention roles. There are all kinds of things that have to be negotiated. But I also do think that she feels strongly that she is the better candidate — and you can make a good case of that given the way the votes played out in these primaries and caucuses — and that by staying in until it’s over, perhaps something will happen.

LESLEY: Assuming, though, that he does win this nomination, do you think she will be anything less than enthusiastically behind him and corralling her supporters into his camp? Or, is there any chance there’ll be a moment like the one at the ‘80 convention.

COKIE: No, I don’t think there’s going to be that kind of moment. I think that Hillary Clinton is too interested in her own political future to be seen as someone who is tearing the party apart at that moment.

LESLEY: Will she go all out, do you think?

COKIE: I think she’d campaign for him. But, you can’t move your supporters. You know that, Lesley. The endorsements hardly matter at all, particularly at the presidential level. Or she can say, "I want everybody to vote for him. I think he’s terrific. I think he should be president." And those working-class Democrats who voted for her can say, "Have yourself a ball, Hillary. I’m voting for John McCain."

LESLEY: And do you think that’s going to happen?

COKIE: I do think that’s going to happen in a lot of cases.

LESLEY: Really?

COKIE: The fact that John McCain is doing as well as he is in a year that should by all odds be an overwhelmingly Democratic year tells you that there’s a lot of unhappiness with these Democratic candidates. You know, many people say this was the year when the Democrats needed to nominate a boring white guy, somebody who you didn’t even hear talk because all he needed to have was "D" after his name.

LESLEY: Show up, right?

COKIE: Show up. Exactly. And instead they’ve had this very exciting, historic nomination process. But it might not work so well for them in the end.

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Buh- Bye
Bloggers are operatives. Who cares what they have to say and about their endless chants for withdrawal. Hillary is still winning the major battleground states with voters. And I wish the media would just shut their gobs and start acting like reporters instead of opining all over the place. Today “reporters” merely “report” on other “reporter’s” views. I don’t give a hoot what they think and how they are trying to sway the results. The whole lot of them are pundits these days, not authentic journalists with any ethical authority. As a voter I am interested in positions and issues and credibility and records and experience when it comes to electing a leader. Stamina, good judgment, grace under pressure and dedication count too. As do an understanding of the whole of the nation’s people and the complexity of other nations’ very different ways of life and values. In other words, someone with some experience in foreign diplomacy.
By Buh- Bye on 05/09/2008 11:59 pm
zut alors
My Alias, well written post and on the surface appears very reasonable except that it ignores one like it or not fact….the huge lefty bloggers are actors and very organized and very viral, effective, and not for Hillary. It’s a real ignore them at your peril kind of thing. Every corporation or anyone trying to do anything cultivates major political blogs they have tremendous clout. Let me give you one example of what a blog virus catching hold can do. Wine production originated in Iran in about 6,000 BC…so an 8,000 year history. California wine production is less than 200 years old and wine outsells coffee and ice cream in the US. It is has big economic impact. It is a hugely complex, very rich and competitive world market. But a $2 bottle of central valley California wine with the label Charles Shaw was nicknamed in a Internet wine chat room “Two-Buck-Chuck” and it is the fastest selling wine in history as a result….no $$ spent on marketing. So dismiss bloggers and SEO marketing as you will that will not change the facts that they are changing the world—-elections included. AND that ONE of the reasons JFK won against Nixon…is that HE understood and harnessed the then new medium of TV. Nixon didn’t Obama’s campaign has understood and harnessed Web 2.0……Clinton’s has not. In this election Web 2.0 is the TV of JFK’s. I’m not saying I don’t agree with all of the things in your post…stamina…etc. I’m just saying that there are millions of bloggers in this country, and all the biggest blogs, that remember her OCt 2002 “I trust this president”……so nothing else matters but those incredibly stupid four words that helped cost this country $3T and over 1M needlessly lost innocent lives. Obama knew then…he’s on video tape with his opinion just as she is. He was right on the biggest and most consequential issue of our time, and something that will cost the US for generations to come.
By zut alors on 05/10/2008 12:30 am
Frannie Em
Suzanne, very well put about the bloggers. “To ignore them is at your peril kind of a thing..” Your explanation regarding “2 Buck Chuck” - was great. But the “at your peril” - isn’t that also that one of the bloggers favorite tools is fear. Fear and then another heavy dose of fear. I went on to MediaMatters once to check something out. I happened to see a headline that stated that Fox News refused to air the democrat rebuttal to the President’s State of the Union. Which was so blatantly false. My neighbor - she is elderly and her kids were gone so I went over there to stay with her because she was dizzy. Watched the pres speech and then Brit Hume came on - talked about the State of the Union, and then watched the rebuttal. He had people from NPR, some journalists and political pundits on to discuss and react. There were 3 democrats and 2 republican besides Hume. Media Matters stated that it wasn’t played on Fox which was an outright lie. But the thing that got me, was the amount of fearful dialogue that went along with it. It was fear, fear, fear. Fear is hypnotic and both sides use it.
By Frannie Em on 05/10/2008 6:05 pm
zut alors
Frannie—I don’t think ‘ignore them at your peril’ is fear…it’s stating…you can ignore facts if you chose….but they have a way of coming back and biting. and the huge major blogs are a fact.
By zut alors on 05/10/2008 6:12 pm
Frannie Em
Suzanne - the berating that people get on those sites makes candidates afraid. That is what I mean by fear as a tactic.
By Frannie Em on 05/10/2008 8:58 pm
mary lou s
suzanne, basically you are saying that obama in four years’ time, may accumulate votes you and others will hate. therefore, he thinks his time is now. so does frank rich. hillary has been voting in the senate since january of 2001. so does this mean experienced politicians are out?
By mary lou s on 05/11/2008 8:45 pm
zut alors
Mary Lou, First, we were taught in childhood never to use the word hate. Second, I doubt that Obama is going to accumulate a voting record that would be objectionable to me, but then that is rhetorical, so who knows. And third, I can’t imagine me ever disagreeing with Frank Rich. Think he’s brilliant. Anyone can run for public office who can come up with a platform, money and supporters enough to remain in a viable race. Inexperienced politicians have come to office by a variety of means: ie after Sonny Bono’s death his wife took his congressional seat—a scenario that has happened on a number of occasions. Nor does years in politics make a worthy candidate: If GWB needed to rely on his brains and work ethic, instead of the money and connections handed to him by his father, he’d be lucky to own a gasoline station. And, as we’ve seen with very experienced politicians, ie the field of Democrats when this all began—they are history. Obama is the presumptive candidate who has taken districts where HRC should have been a shoe-in and despite her brand name. Why I think this is: 1) He is highly intelligent. His Harvard Law school class of mostly rich, white young people, voted him most likely to become president. 2) He is charismatic and articulate, he headed the Harvard Review, hardly a task of a light-weight. 3) He has put together an amazing ‘viral’ national insurgency battle plan harnessing what is effective today, rather than what is Inside the Beltway Old School. 4) Like JFK he has created a ‘Youthquake.’ 5) And most importantly to me, throughout history heroes come along in the darkest hour and change everything. Thankfully when Joan of Arc was an inexperienced 17-year old girl she saved dying France, when no one else could during The Hundred Year War, and from infinitely stronger occupying England. If she hadn’t, we’d all be sitting here eating soot pudding. Does this mean ‘experienced’ politicians are out? JFK believed that politics was an art as well as a science, and that PUBLIC service was a worthy goal. By that definition, today’s government is not staffed by experienced politicians but by well practiced special interest/corporate/lobbyist whores—with some notable exceptions. Inexperienced Cindy Sheenan is running against Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi in San Francisco’s 8th District. I live in the 8th District, am very politically wonky and activist, was a big supporter of Nancy Pelosi, and will be voting for Cindy Sheenan. Bill Clinton owned the 8th District that should have been Hillary’s and went 70% Obama. I think the mood in the country is Throw The Bums Out. At least it is with me. How about you? say, throw the bums out.
By zut alors on 05/11/2008 10:09 pm
mary lou s
suzanne, basically you are saying that obama in four years’ time, may accumulate votes you and others will hate. therefore, he thinks his time is now. so does frank rich. hillary has been voting in the senate since january of 2001. so does this mean experienced politicians are out?
By mary lou s on 05/11/2008 8:51 pm
phyllis Doyle Pepe
Congratulations!! You are the kind of voter one wishes everyone to be. It amazes me that some people who are for Hillary would vote for McCain if she drops out. That tells me they don’t care a farthing about issues or positions. It boggles the imagination.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 05/10/2008 1:25 pm
C A Rose
phyllis DP, point well taken. It boggles my imagination as well. Why on earth would a pro-Hillary Democrat flip to a Republican pro-Bush John McCain????? What can they be thinking???? Seriously…what are you thinking? Would you rather vote for a more of the same McCain, than endorse a black male Democrat? Has this been reduced to feminism and race? If it has, it certainly will not help to heal the Party and is a very sad day for the American dream.
By C A Rose on 05/10/2008 10:44 pm
Alessan O
The primaries have come down to just as you said, feminism, and race, like it or not, and BO will divide the country further, just look at the voting division, practically every black person in every state has voted for Obama. Oh yes there have been some quilty white liberals who voted for him, to make Obama’s post-racism propaganda, ring true in the states that are mostly white. He won in caucus states, not too many people vote in caucuses, it usually is small part of the entire population. Primaries are much better, and next time they ought to hold the primaries on the same date in every state, the way the general election is held. Campaign, in each state then have primary election, no caucuses, this is 2008, it’s old fashion and a pain in the butt as per a lot of Iowa voters. No more Iowa or NH being the first states to vote, that’s BS. The DNC needs to change their rules entirely. What happened to the people of Michigan and Florida should never have happened, and wouldn’t have if the primaries for all states were held on the same day.
By Alessan O on 05/11/2008 2:53 am
mary lou s
my alias, i support hillary rodham clinton. as to the actual votes playing out, that is another thing.
By mary lou s on 05/11/2008 9:01 pm
mary lou s
my alias, i support hillary rodham clinton. as to the actual votes playing out, that is another thing.
By mary lou s on 05/11/2008 9:05 pm
mary lou s
my alias, i support hillary rodham clinton. as to the actual votes playing out, that is another thing.
By mary lou s on 05/11/2008 9:07 pm
wild heather
Why on earth wouldn’t Hillary’s supporters (I’m one of the strongest there is) put on Obama the same kind of pressure to choose her as VP that would have been put on her to choose him had she come out on top? This is the dream ticket! With Bill Clinton’s campaigning they might even take a few red states. The Senate is going to be ruled by Dems by a wide margin, and Hillary’s seat is safe for the NY Dems, so shouldn’t the strongest possible ticket be formed to insure McCain’s defeat in November? wh
By wild heather on 05/10/2008 2:31 am