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Conversation | 05/09/2008 4:43 pm

Cokie Roberts: 'Hillary Is Negotiating Her Withdrawal'

© AP

A Q&A with ABC News correspondent Cokie Roberts.

LESLEY: Let’s talk about Hillary. I’m wondering, how do you explain her unwillingness, at this point, to throw in the towel? Does she really think she has a shot at winning this? Is she addicted to campaigning, which is my favorite possibility here. She’s kind of unable to give it up. Does she think there’s another shoe to drop with Obama? What do you think?

COKIE: I think that she is taking a somewhat graceful and prolonged exit. You know, when you’ve been running this hard and have won this much, you don’t just go. And the truth is, when you’re this significant a candidate you negotiate a withdrawal. It’s almost like a plea bargain. You start talking about paying off debt and about convention roles. There are all kinds of things that have to be negotiated. But I also do think that she feels strongly that she is the better candidate — and you can make a good case of that given the way the votes played out in these primaries and caucuses — and that by staying in until it’s over, perhaps something will happen.

LESLEY: Assuming, though, that he does win this nomination, do you think she will be anything less than enthusiastically behind him and corralling her supporters into his camp? Or, is there any chance there’ll be a moment like the one at the ‘80 convention.

COKIE: No, I don’t think there’s going to be that kind of moment. I think that Hillary Clinton is too interested in her own political future to be seen as someone who is tearing the party apart at that moment.

LESLEY: Will she go all out, do you think?

COKIE: I think she’d campaign for him. But, you can’t move your supporters. You know that, Lesley. The endorsements hardly matter at all, particularly at the presidential level. Or she can say, "I want everybody to vote for him. I think he’s terrific. I think he should be president." And those working-class Democrats who voted for her can say, "Have yourself a ball, Hillary. I’m voting for John McCain."

LESLEY: And do you think that’s going to happen?

COKIE: I do think that’s going to happen in a lot of cases.

LESLEY: Really?

COKIE: The fact that John McCain is doing as well as he is in a year that should by all odds be an overwhelmingly Democratic year tells you that there’s a lot of unhappiness with these Democratic candidates. You know, many people say this was the year when the Democrats needed to nominate a boring white guy, somebody who you didn’t even hear talk because all he needed to have was "D" after his name.

LESLEY: Show up, right?

COKIE: Show up. Exactly. And instead they’ve had this very exciting, historic nomination process. But it might not work so well for them in the end.

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Renata
Also, Michelle Obama would DIVORCE Barack if he put Hillary/Bill Clinton on the ticket after the manner in which they have run their Campaign, rebuked several times on the NYT Editorial Board Page after they endorsed her — but ignored, aka the tone-deaf George W. Bush. So, we are finally simpatico!
By Renata on 05/10/2008 7:29 pm
Michael Salling
Aloha Suzanne - I know this will be of interest to you. I’m passing it on to my email “forward” lists. with sincere aloha, m in honolulu Protect Net Neutrality: http://freepress.net/node/39022
By Michael Salling on 05/11/2008 6:06 am
Dona Howlett
Suzanne, I agree with you……..She still has great things in her future. She is an asset to our Country. I met Hillary and Bill at a private party in 2001……..They are both great people. At my age I’m just sorry I probably won’t see a woman as President. That’s very disappointing. I’m sure most older women feel the same way. By the way…….I sure enjoy your writing on this site. You are a very interesting woman.
By Dona Howlett on 05/11/2008 7:41 pm
zut alors
Dona, I’ve met a number Congressional members, etc, and was in the ballroom with Hillary and Bill Clinton, although didn’t meet them, just observed them. They very electric. The funniest incident, was meeting Jimmy Carter. He had amazingly fresh skin and so polite and friendly. Apparently taking too long because Roselyn was behind him and through clinched teeth and in a low southern drawl, said, “Move it along, Jimmy.” Thought that was hysterical. He might have have his finger on the nuclear button, but she tells him what to do! Yes, it is disappointing for many, and no one likes to be disappointed, or see others feel that way. But, look at Al Gore…since the [lost/stolen, depending on POV] election: best seller, Oscar, Noble Prize….and International fame as the environment hero. I heard him speak at the World Affairs Council and while disappointed, he thinks he has more ability to shape what is important to him…and certainly more freedom, and I think global respect. And who knows what the super delegates have in store. They haven’t ALL spoken…tense…. and they said Sea Biscuit and War Admirable were the event of the century! And thanks for the compliment, very nice of you.
By zut alors on 05/11/2008 10:57 pm
JJ GB
Well said, Elizabeth. Exactly my sentiments.
By JJ GB on 05/09/2008 10:24 pm
Ken Jarvis
Romney probably made a deal with McCain to Pull out, and Be the VPrez candidate. HOPE that is what Hillary does.
By Ken Jarvis on 05/10/2008 8:51 am
Dr. Mark Klein
Everyone’s missing the point about McCain. Very unlikely he’ll be the nominee as talk of his age related cognitive problems continue to spread and becomes a major issue. That’s why McCain’s staff chief Mark Salter went ballistic when Obama defended against being a Hamas sympathizer by saying McCain has “lost his bearings”. Wouldn’t be surprised if the British bookies and Iowa Electronic markets start betting lines on a McCain withdrawal.
By Dr. Mark Klein on 05/10/2008 10:04 am
Suzanne Frazier
I am so proud of Hillary and Barack for running such an intelligent, graceful, “supportive of the process” race. They are both a class act which is how we want the President of the United States to behave even prior to being elected. They haven’t indulged in the “old boys” way of doing things…..ie. slaughtering the other candidate. The testosterone factor is missing and the press misses it greatly. I wish the press would change stances as well and stop trying to change a dignified process into a “horse race” asking people to set up the odds for each “horse”. I think Hillary and Barack should take the race to the convention, sit down and have tea with everyone and talk out the way the Democratic Presidential Candidate should be nominated. That would be the “old girls’ way”of doing things. I hope the days of the “good old boys” with the cigars in the back room are over. Now if we could just get the press on board and stop all this silliness. Does the press really think they are attracting viewers with their old methods. Please take note we aren’t watching or listening!
By Suzanne Frazier on 05/10/2008 11:04 am
Renata
Nice sentiments, but not entirely accurate. Even HRC’s NY supporters proudly state — as Susan Faludi’s Op-Ed/NYT.com/The Fight Stuff (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/09/opinion/09faludi.html?scp=2&sq=faludi&…)confirms, she has out-boyzed the boys in terms of toxicity and mimicked toughness. This is a key indicator and validation to me she knew exactly what she was doing and what the consequences were (as the wife of a former two-term President) to New York and the US’ homeland security, long term. She cannot apologize or distance herself from that vote, because of this fact. How would that determination (aka George W. Bush?) and need to out-boyz the boyz play out on the world stage with the myriad of problems on deck?
By Renata on 05/10/2008 1:30 pm
zut alors
Renata—Thanks for the link. Susan Faludi is a breathtaking writer.
By zut alors on 05/10/2008 5:05 pm
Renata
Suzanne: I am a fan, though I am not always a fan of her position. Younger women are transitioning to a new place and I am with THEM! Nevertheless, Susan is a terrific talent - and very insightful.
By Renata on 05/10/2008 5:38 pm
zut alors
Renata-Yes but I value good writing so much that I will, to a point, overlook the content if the style is great…and she does have style.
By zut alors on 05/10/2008 9:59 pm
Renata
Suzanne: God willing we return to a place in American society where we can appreciate nuance - EXCELLENCE from whatever source and respect our best and brightest again. One of the things I am most ashamed of during the ascendancy of the boomers, is the MOCKERY of elites, brilliance, quality, high standards and mutual respect of differing opinions. I am fighting for a return to quality and vibrant discourse - aka Gore Vidal vs. William F. Buckley’s debates in the 60s. Our THINKERS have been driven underground or onto the blogs by CORPORATE MEDIA and their court jesters — and you know who they are!
By Renata on 05/10/2008 10:37 pm
beverly linens
It is Sunday afternoon in Portland, Oregon.. I have watched the comments to this interview grow over the last three days. I am embarrased to say it reminds me of the days when my fifty two year old daughter would fight with her friends. I would sit inside and listen to them talk and have to go break them up when they would start to gang up on each other. The only thing that is missing is the hair pulling and scratching. I believe the ladies who started this magazine for us should keep a copy of all these comments for punishment for the next five years. Anyone who states that whatever is going on could be done better by women would have to read this entire embarrasing display of disrespect fo each other from start to finish before they would be allowed to comment on anything else again. Read on and see if you agree. Beverly
By beverly linens on 05/11/2008 2:53 pm
zut alors
Beverly, This is what is happening on the national airwaves, and across the country and blogosphere. Why do you believe it would be different here? And why do you characterize something happening across the nation in female terms? Read “When Democrats Go Post-tal” from Vanity Fair this month. http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/06/wolcott200806 And then maybe also read Arianna Huffington’s RIGHT IS WRONG…..and see what has happened to our “media” by having the lunatic fringe in control of Rush-Savage-Coulter, etc, and how it has deteriorated the national discourse, oh and then there’s tensions over that phony $3 trillion war that’s destroying the very foundations of this nation. Rather than sanctimony, get a dose of REALITY. This country is in a cultural war. What is feeding it? The world is in upheaval, how did that happen? This is a Transformational Age more than at the time of the Industrial Age, and closer to the American Revolution. What will be the result and what factors will make that come about? If the political talk is too much then maybe step out of the boiler room. Or at least state your objection as your OPINION instead of MORE PUT DOWNS, which is what you were objecting too because then it is merely hypocrisy. “I believe the ladies who started this magazine for us should keep a copy of all these comments for punishment for the next five years.”—I’m sure they have nothing better to do. This is about as schoolmarmish as it gets.
By zut alors on 05/11/2008 4:35 pm