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Conversation | 05/29/2008 10:35 am

Is Congress Forcing CEOs to 'Fire U.S. Workers As Fast As They Can?'

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Editor’s note: When people say it isn’t rocket science, ever wonder what it is that makes rocket science so darn hard? In our Decoder series, Whoopi Goldberg seeks out experts across a wide spectrum of fields to find out how things work, from the encryption on your iPod to the fine print on your tax bill. So next time you see a rocket, don’t be surprised if it’s one Whoopi built herself.

David Cay Johnston is a former writer for The New York Times and the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of Free Lunch.

WHOOPI: I keep saying, "I don’t mind paying the taxes. I mind that none of them seem to be going towards anything." Where does our tax money go?

DAVID: Well here’s where most of the money is going – a handful of places. Medicare and Social Security are the two biggest expenditures of the federal government, but they’re not funded by income tax; they’re funded by special taxes – the payroll tax that stops at around $100,000 and the Medicare tax. The other two big areas of spending are interest on the national debt, which we already covered. And the other is the military. We still have people collecting pensions and medical benefits from WWII.

WHOOPI: Right.

Click here to see just the numbers, crunched.

Click here to read part one of the Whoopi Decoder series: Whoopi the Decoder Finds Out Why We Get ‘Taxed up the Behind’

DAVID: My dad was a 100 percent disabled veteran of WWII. So I got G.I. Bill benefits up until 1975, to go to college – because I’m treated, technically, as a war orphan. We have an economy that’s over $13 trillion – that’s total output for the year. Take the Pentagon budget, and the interest on the national debt due to wars, past and present, and the Veterans Administration and the Department of Energy, which is mostly bomb making and war, and all the other things that are associated with the military and you’re looking at well north of $1 trillion a year. That’s a big drain on the economy. Roughly, that’s taking a dime out of every dollar of productivity in the system. You know, when Jesse Jackson ran for president back in ‘88, he went around to the Iowa caucuses — where he came in fourth — and he would say to the mostly farmers, "Alright, I want every one of you who owns a VCR put your hand up." And they all put their hand up. And then he said, "Alright, and now every one of you who owns an MX Missile …" and everyone put their hand down. And he pointed out that we make the MX Missile in America but we import the VCRs from Korea and Taiwan.

One of the phrases that I use, Whoopi, is this: Under the rules Congress has set up, if you’re the CEO of a multinational company, then you should be firing American workers as fast as you can and moving your assets and intellectual property out of the United States. And it’s because – and this is the reason for your upset – the whole focus of federal policy is on capital. It’s not on people. Even Andrew Mellon, not exactly a darling of progressives or moderates, said this was wrong. Let me read you something from my current book that he said in 1924. This is when he was Treasury Secretary:

"The fairness of taxing more lightly income from wages, salaries or from investments is beyond question. In the first case, the income is uncertain and limited in duration; sickness or death destroys it and old age diminishes it. In the other, the source of income continues; the income may be disposed of during a man’s life and it descends to his heirs. Surely we can afford to make a distinction between the people whose only capital is their mental and physical energy and the people whose income is derived from investments. Such a distinction would mean much to millions of American workers and would be an added inspiration to the man who must provide a competence during his few productive years to care for himself and his family when his earnings capacity is at an end."

25 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Esther Bradley-DeTally
Thank you. I just heavily scanned his book Lunch and found it overwhelming. The internecine greed is overwhelming. The forces of corruption are so multilayered and blatant, and I’m glad people are writing about it, having TV shows about it, blogging, you name it. I think the ordinary person can be more savvy than people think. In the 1980s I was a returning student and towards the end of my Senior Year worked for the Social Science Department. A professor was writing about the transnational corporation’s corruption in Guatemala, and I just thought, “Oh the power of the pen.” thank you Whoopi!
By Esther Bradley-DeTally on 05/29/2008 11:03 am
Linda Myers
I work as a contractor for a large corporation. Of the department that I am in, only 13 “employees” remain, the rest of the department is contractors. The logic I was told in doing so - no expense for benefits. I do receive benefits, but they come from my agency that I contract through. For myself, it works fine because I was not looking to do this as my life intention. The other half of the department is offshore in India. Linda
By Linda Myers on 05/29/2008 11:38 am
T S
I felt my shoulders rounding and a lot of sighing when I read this. This subject is one I have a hard time staying positive and hopeful about. I have to go Charlie Brown on this one…”ugh.”
By T S on 05/29/2008 12:19 pm
Everyone--into the Rose Garden
Since the CEOs own Congress….the idea that Congress tells their paymasters what to do is pretty laughable.
By Everyone--into the Rose Garden on 05/30/2008 12:33 pm
phyllis Doyle Pepe
The men of wealth, the businessmen, manufacturers, merchants, bankers and brokers are the men who exert the worst influence on government in every country…They act on the beautiful maxim, ‘Let the government take care of the rich, and the rich will take care of the poor,’ instead of the far safer maxim, ‘let the government take care of the weak, the strong can take care of themselves.’ ” Arthur Schlesinger quoting Orestes A. Bronson: the subject of his senior honor’s essay at Harvard in the thirties. And this: “The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have too much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.” FDR in his 1937 Second Inaugural Address.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 05/29/2008 12:55 pm
Liza D 08 .... beta
Thank you for continuing this discussion on taxation. I have much to learn. :)
By Liza D 08 .... beta on 05/29/2008 1:30 pm
Josie Sullivan
Whoopi- Thank you for bringing this up! I personally would like a tax break for NOT having kids. Currently, I pay $1000 a year in taxes to the school district. The same district that teaches children that I shouldn’t have the same rights as others because I’m gay. Crazy isn’t it? Also as an artist, if I donate a piece of art to the women’s shelter, humane society, etc. for a fundraiser, I can only deduct the cost of my materials which must be proven with receipts and cannot deduct my time or talent. I still donate 5-10 times a year but always wonder why these organizations always go to the poorest in the community to find their funds. Hmmmmm….. anyhow, love you whoopi!
By Josie Sullivan on 05/29/2008 1:35 pm
James the Game
Fortunately, in the radio & record industry, the mega-corporations’ own greed seems to be killing them off. People are bypassing the expensive CD’s and music-based terrestrial radio stations in favor of digital downloads on computers, iPOD’s, and the like. Can anyone think of other industries where the goose is killing the golden egg? Phyllis, above, I believe is referring to the trickle-down economics re-popularized during the Reagan Administration. I’ve always thought that’s a good name for it, because the people on top of the food chain trickle down on top of those at the bottom, if you know what I mean.
By James the Game on 05/29/2008 2:09 pm
Bella Mia
It is capital that made computers available to the masses. It’s capital that gets the free AIDS drugs to the people in Africa. It was a corporation that put braces on my teeth, and those of my children, provided warm comfortable homes for us, dependable cars, fuel, books, and the medical technology for different surgeries that I needed - all corporations. Trickle down economics does work: when my sister-in-law does a family portrait for a wealthy family, that $7500 pays her bills, and and buys gifts, and Every single paycheck is an example of “trickle down” because that is what we use to pay our bills at home. The city of Chicago is going to a charter school system -and have maxed out their 100 charter schools. They’ve asked the school board for more charter schools but expect to be turned down by the teachers union. In the meantime, at the lottery for school spaces - winners cheered and the losers cried. They cried because the government does what it does best: create shortages. In this case it has created a shortage of successful schools in Chicago and all across the country.
By Bella Mia on 05/29/2008 3:02 pm
bob mirabile
funny you should mention schools where i live a 300k home in the ghetto pays $8000 a year in education taxs for schools that do not work . ten miles away in the affluent north shore a home worth 2.2mm pays $8000 in education taxs ‘defacto segration’ lives in New York and will live in Chicago if it does not already..thats where our taxs go …if Obama was legit he would call for every urban area to be a Wi Fi hotspot, so kids could get educated ,business could run and the exchange of ideas will result in freedom for all and a flourishing economy
By bob mirabile on 05/29/2008 3:35 pm
Bella Mia
Why are corporations setting up offices in Dubai? It has many tax free zones and therefore, they are hiring at top wages, and people are flocking there from around the world. It is a booming area. Capital can go any where it wants in the world, and it goes where there is the best deal. Recently companies were outsourcing certain parts of their business to India. But when they discovered that it was not profitable due to the all the problems with the language and the time zone - they switched back to US workers. Recently because of the exchange rate STEEL is making a comeback in the united states and steel plants are hiring again. Michigan’s Democrat governor offers a good example of what not to do with taxes: She closed the government until the legislature agreed to a 22% increase in business taxes - which they approved under duress - and now it is backfiring - people are leaving the state, businesses are leaving the state - and tax revenues are down. It’s not brain surgery - but for some reason Democrats love to raise our taxes. I say, keep the tax RATES low, and let the revenues go up, which is what happens. The pie gets bigger with low tax rates and government deregulation. Part of the big boom in the 1980’s was due to Reagan deregulating the gas and oil industry, the price dropped dramatically, and businesses flourished with low energy expenses.
By Bella Mia on 05/29/2008 3:27 pm
mary lou s
bella, i’m surprised that you blame michigan’s woes on taxes. governor granholm had to face the republicans, whose structural deficit was wrecking the state, with a government shutdown so that they would raise taxes. they claimed cuts were the way to go. cut what? police? schools? don’t forget that those great communists, ford motor and general motors, just cut workers and production due to EXECUTIVE decisions to build cars and trucks too expensive to drive.
By mary lou s on 05/29/2008 3:49 pm
James the Game
Trickle-down economics help the rich get richer, and contribute to the widening disparity in America between the wealthy and the poor. The wealthiest one percent earns more than 20% of all income, while the lower 50% earns a combined 13%. Trickle-down may’ve had some theoretical basis in the Reagan Era, when the extra income saved by rich people paying lower taxes was often used to reinvest in American business, goods and services. Nowadays, that saved money is funneled largely into their overseas investments. That is why inequality is growing. On the other hand, bottom-up economics provides all people with the basic means to be productive, whether it’s job re-training, universal health coverage, quality education and transportation, affordable child care, etc. The problem, regardless of which view you take, is there are so many needs and so little money to go ‘round. With the Baby Boomers moving into retirement age, the need for health care/Medicare, and social security is rising. Meanwhile, the country’s infrastructure is in a shambles, if you look at the statistics on the state of the roads/bridges (remember the collapse in Minnesota last year?), the nation’s electrical-grid system that portends to be woefully inefficient for future energy demands, on and on. Meantime, sales and payroll taxes take a larger bite out of low-income Americans’ paychecks than higher-income. Of course, if George W. Bush weren’t pumping tens of billions of dollars into Iraq, some of that money could’ve been pumped into education, job re-training, and business investments to ensure America’s long-term economic stability.
By James the Game on 05/29/2008 7:32 pm
immoddesta godessa
Bella, I submit that the likes of HALIBURTON and many of the other scoundrel theives are moving operations to Dubai to shelter themselves from tax obligations but more importantly now they are bunkering themselves from the ensuing litigation and hopefully IMPRISONMENT! They have absconded with nearly a trillion dollars from our treasury! Was this conflagration worth the price? I will have to see how richly those bastards live once they move on! Working hard to catch up is the new American standard! Moving my business to Dubai won’t help. NEW WORLD ORDER is not for the people by the people of the people!! but the taxes to pay for it sure is! Conservatives , it seems, won’t be happy until our economy has returned to the times of 1850 or so. A person could really make some dough then!
By immoddesta godessa on 05/31/2008 12:07 pm
CAROLINE MuLVEY
What happens to the people who get fired? They need to collect unemployment. Well is that not going to cause more money from congress? These companies are doing the wrong thing. They are just add more stress in our communities. Sometimes I wonder what most of the CEO’s are thinking. We need to keep the companies that are here in the U.S. should have U.S. citizens working for them not sending the work over sea’s. This needs to stop. We need to worry about our own backyard before we do the neighbors yard. I can not believe that congress has not done something about companies that lay off U.S. people so they (the companies) can go over sea’s and produce the product then ship it to the U.S. It is a very sad thing.
By CAROLINE MuLVEY on 05/29/2008 7:23 pm