LH said: “Realizing that humans, and animals for that matter, are but specks on a spinning marble in space, I could no longer think in pure agnostic terms. As an adult I get great comfort in the idea that my body will be recycled back to nature in one form or another.” I completely agree with this. I find a belief that there is another plane of existence to be muddled thinking that keeps one from truly enjoying and experiencing the life we have here to its fullest extent. That always saddens me!

WHAT HAPPENS AFTER WE DIE? I am too busy living according to a line I have taped on my fridge….”You only live once, but once is enough if you do it right”…to think very much about that. I am trying to live my own small life as best I can and will, hopefully, continue to be grateful for that experience to the end.

Cassie, With all respect to your beliefs, your right to hold them (as many do) and express them, and having been raised a Catholic, attending Catholic schools and my son also attended Jesuit schools through graduate schools in the US and Europe…..I think most women would have a muc different perspective on life, the universe, and themselves if the read “The Chalice and The Blade” Riane Eisler. And understand the real history of patriarchal religion, what it has done, who wrote it, how spiritual beliefs create the world, etc. And also by reading “Goddesses in Every Woman” by Dr. Jean Bolen to understand archetypes—-the building blocks of the universe and what inherently inform much of our likes, dislikes, behavior. In fact, no woman is really educated or her true self until she understands these things.

Cassie, You are right, there is no rapture. This theory was founded by a mentally insane woman in 1830 by the name of Margaret McDonald. Who herself stated that she believed this to be evil, but the ministers at her bed side took the ball if you will and ran with this as a means to fill congregations by telling people that you don’t have to study the word of God because He’s going to fly us all out of here. This is the “Great Apostacy” of the end times. God is against this false teaching and clearly states his displeasure in Ezk Chp 13, I am against those who sew pillows over my outstreched hands and teach my children to fly away to save their souls! And you can bet that Satan will jump on the band wagon with that one. However your reference to “The dead know nothing” this is in reference to those that are spiritually dead, dont know the word of God, not physcially dead. When we die we instantly (Our spirit) returns instantly to the one who gives it, That means it goes right straight back to God. Aunt Millie is not laying in a hole in the ground some where, she has gone back to the creator God. The flesh body is the only thing that goes back to dust as our bodies are nothing more than organic material and a housing for our sprit man while we live in this dispensation of time. The only reason we don’t see God is the very fact that he is in a different dimension than we are. The spirit is the intellect of the soul and again that returns back to God. At present there is no Hell, God is a consumming fire and those who decide that they don’t want anything to do with God at the end of the Millinium, are cast into the lake of fire with satan, Notice that I said their decision, not God’s. It is not God’s will that any should perish, but there are those who will. Many people are scared off from God as they do not understand him, He is not looking to zap people he want’s our love, Hosea 6:6 I don’t want your burnt offerings, I want your love. Back to the hell issue this is one of the most troubling for people, as they think Uncle Charlie or Aunt rita is frying like a piece of bacon yellin and screaming their heads off all the while we are sitting around the camp fire…Good heavens, What kind of heaven would that be and common sense tells one that in heaven, God will wipe away all our tears and there is no more pain and sickness. So that would be crazy and more importantly not in line what so ever with the word of God. As far as the resurrection, There are 2 deaths, The first one being the physcial and the second one being spiritual. All those who have lived on the earth in a physcial body and believed that Jesus Christ died for our sins and resurrected on the third day and asscended to heaven and sits at the right hand of the father, and lived their life to the best of their ability in accordance to God’s word. dies they are automatically free from the second death which again is the death of the spirit. In other words they are home free and have put on an Immortal soul, meaning they will not partake of the second death. Now on the other hand those who pass away on this earth with no care or concern for our heavenly father, will in fact put on an mortal soul, meaning liable to die. They will have to go through the millinium period which will be a time of teaching and dicipline and at the end of that millinial period Satan will be let loose one final time,as this is a testing to decide which father they choose God or Satan. You see, God doesn’t want anyone who has not been proven and tested to show their love for him. He has feelings just like we do, He created us! We don’t want people that don’t take a stand for what is right in our lives either. God has those same feelings. Now here is the meat and potatoes of your post and one to which I hope I can clear up for you and trust me most people are completely unaware that we in fact used to live with God, Yes I said we use to live with God Untill the over throw of Satan and a third of the angles who rebeled against God and that all happened as a result of Satan who was appointed the most impressive duty one could be given in Heaven, and that was to guard the mercy seat but that wasn’t good enough for Ole Slew foot (another name for Satan) He wanted to be God, Henceforth the overthrow. It grieved God that he had made man in the flesh and why? Because he knew we would suffer various calamities as a result of these flesh bodies, but our purpose, rather God’s purpose was to give everyone a clean slate to start with by being born through the bag of waters of woman where all could make up their minds as to who they would love God or Satan. This is also a great misconception when people think they have to be born again. We are not born again but born from above. And again why? Because we were with our heavenly father in the begining when God said “Let us make man in our image. Well, who would he be talking about? us of course.As for the second advent (Return) of Jesus Christ, He is comming back here to establish his kingdom, which means he is King and his dominion. Heaven is where ever God is and the bible clearly states that he will set up his kingdom on Mt Zion his favorite place on all the earth. And this will be at the seventh trump, Satan shows up at the sisth trump claiming to be God but is a fake and the Bible clearly states that the whole world will whore after him thinking that he is the Christ. The only reason one would not think that we have the gift of eternal life yet is because technically we are not yet in that dispensation with God (The eternity) but yes, I know I have that gift, God promised that to me and anyone else who believes on his precious son Jesus Christ. The lord Jesus has not shown up yet to deliver his gift to us yet if you will. Don’t apologize for sharing about the word of God I just felt that there were somethings that you may have been uncertain about. For an excellent study of God’s word, I would highly recommend www.shepards chapel.com, He is an outstanding Bible scholar who takes you through the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse. Which I might add is the only way to study the Bible. God Bless you always :)

Beware of the Rapture …2 women at the Well ,one taken the other left ..Jesus says you better not ..HE says you better be here WORKING when HE returns ….no exceptions …no excuses …Working for GOD ..only .. I was raised Catholic .I didnt learn much ..The I was let down by a couple of Priests ..I asked questions as Jeus Christ said to do ..to test them … I asked who is Melchizdek …I already knew the answer …I was on my journey …And I leaned much …They did not know this answer …That I received from the Holy Spirit on night as I was reading .. I went to church and asked everyone …who is Melchizdek ? No One KNEW !! I was so so let down ..depressing ..so depressing ..All these years in the Catholic church and the Priest always says > after the Order of Melchizdek …breaking the Bread …and no one knows who these preist are talking about …for all they know they could be saying after the order of Satan …and they stil would argee with those priests ..Very disturbing to me …I stayed away except for Funnerals ..and after I felt guilty …I thought I had missed out on all those years …BUT I was studying …so I could be as smart as those people who went to church ..and the priest …What happened ? Were they all sleeping all those years I stayed away ? They even changed the Catholic Creed …Very confusing ..to me .. WHY? Well at that time I was experiencing this Clairvoyant thing …it was happening to me …Why at 40 ? maybe the first time I ever noticed ..I always thought I was nuts …TILL one night in Nov 2006 …I was watching this show called the Indigo and Star children …and these 2 women who used to do Wrigleys Gum commercials …They were doing the same things I was …and I really thought I needed meds ..TILL that night …Has anyone here seen that show ? I should of recorded it …I thought it would come on again as they do play shows over and over on Dish Network …they never did …and I have searched ..for this show …Because I need to talk with these 2 women ..I was doing and dreaming the same thing they were …I dreamt a American city was nuked and I predicted something very bad would happen ..and by who before 911 …Then wella that show …I saw I wasnt alone .Were am I going with this …Well all in the Bible it says before the End of Days Women and Men will dream dreams …and tell people like Prophets and I did a whole yr before 911 …every email i sent prior to 911 I wrote in the subject line …LOOK OUT AMERICA Osama bin Ladens coming …no one payed attention to me …TILL that day ….I dint know where or how I just knew this man was going to do something …He was on his way ..I have studied Revelation for 20+ yrs ..I knw GOD is on his way ..I can feel it in the air ..I can sense it in the VIBES in the world and also I believe the last Great Pope John Paul ..He said these are the End of Days …107xs …recorded in Books and also he called Bush anti-christ …not The anti-christ but antichirst …something to think about …

Cathy, You can call it Christ, Love, God, Allah, the divine collective conscious. But all humans, and all cultures feel this tug of something. Religion means to ‘link back.’ The creation story and myths of cultures of all time—separated by geography, language, and centuries—and centuries earlier than the three religions that grew from the same Middle-East region at near the same time, came directly from the earlier—and wiser in my opinion—Goddess and polythesic cultures. There is no one true belief. There is the mono myth that is inborn in the ancient right brain, the side of our brains that crave and create and respond to music, dance, meditation, art, prayer, nature. That is the natural bridge to the spiritual realm. To control populations all despots eliminate arts funding, physical education, science, music, liberal arts, because these nurture the spiritual side, the free thinkers. Instead, they institutionalize rote learning and testing to change culture, and turn us into a bunch of left-brained unquestioning robotrons. Great for building armies and getting things done, not so great in producing humanists. I believe in the great scientist who were also great spiritualist and very learned and exceptional men and women. The incredible Jesuit, Teilhard de Chardin, as Joni mentioned. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin And Albert Einstein, Nobel Prize winning physcist and Time Magazine’s Man of the 20th century. He wanted the boundaries of science and religion to be dissolved. This is an immense and fascinating topic, but to go to how that will happen is to look at the unified field theory that Einstein spent the last 40 years of his life searching for, and which gave birth to today’s String Theory. String theory posits that the most irreducible matter, at the very core beneath the cells, protons, neurons, quarks is a vibrating string with a message that gives form to being. Universe means “One song.” Cosmos means “One unified united whole.” I think of it as what Mozart called “El Filo” the unifying string that runs through art to give it beauty and strength. Imagine these intelligent, vibrating strings inborn at our very core. Imprinted with our message, our story or song, and also encoded with the universal song. Like the opening notes on a lone violin at the start of a great orchestral piece. There is NO division between the physical and spiritual worlds. Everything is made of and exists in a web of electromagnetism—the strongest of the four physics forces. Everything is connected. The discovery and harnessing of electromagnetics changed culture. It fomented romantic music, poetry, impressionist art, transcendentalist thought in the US. We harness it for all our electronics. It is why your cells, WiFI, and blackberries work. We are electromagnetics. The instruments to test String theory haven’t even been developed yet. (a popular book on Sting Theory is “The Elegant Universe) but when they are they, and the unified field is proven beyond or more comprehensively than quantum physics and the riddle of the universe solved, and which could be in the next ten years, there will be a greater change in society than ever. THAT will be the enlightenment to end all. As Teilhard de Chardin said we are spirits in a temporary Earthy role, like Shakespeare said our loved ones have just slipped past the veil. The degree of the radiance, the enlightenment we create here in ourselves and in the world is the ‘being’ that we take into eternity. There is no angry male punishing god with a tote board awaiting our arrival. We are creating our own “spiritual street cred” everyday by the class of things we choose, and by the inhuman things we oppose. The commonality of all true spiritualists is grace and simplicity because they know the simultaneous truth of the divinity and frailty of man, and that the quality of your eternal being is the light achieved here. Fortunately for all of us imperfect humans there are many ways to achieve that.