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Conversation | 04/09/2008 12:00 am

What Happens to Us After We Die?

Ghost on a Roman Street: July 2007
© Joan Juliet Buck

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EDITOR’S NOTE: To listen in on this conversation, click the play button above. Also featuring special guest, Joni Evans, CEO of wowOwow. The following text has been edited for clarity.

JONI: So, William Buckley died and at the memorial his son Christopher told how his father was once asked what would be the right epitaph for him when he died. And — I believe his answer came from the Book of Job, or I read that it was — he said: “I know that my Redeemer liveth,” which is the perfect lead-in to: What do you think happens after we die?

LILY: Has anyone ever exhumed a human body, or are you just going beyond the corpus?

SHEILA: Do you mean it’s rotting, or it’s spiritual?

JONI: Well both. We can talk about exhuming a human body.

LILY: Well, if you want to.

JONI: Well, Lily, you just said that you did …

LILY: I did. I’m saying I have an inordinate interest in anatomy and physiological processes and things. So I know what happens to us physically. We deteriorate eventually. But I was raised Fundamentalist Baptist. What were you raised, Julia?

JULIA: Presbyterian. I just went to the Presbyterian church this morning like a good little Catholic.

LILY: You all may be more spiritual than I am.

SHEILA: I’m not at all. I was raised as a Communist Atheist by my parents.

JULIA: Well, I think being raised Baptist has made most of my Baptist friends become Communist Atheists.

LILY: Well maybe that’s kind of what I was leading to.

JONI: So, was there no religion or any kind of faith in your childhoods that led you to believe we might live on after this world?

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A B
Mugsy, And I’m glad you are here and that we are on the planet at the same time and blogging on the same site.
By A B on 04/10/2008 5:03 pm
underdog -
OK, the possibilities are endless,…..but, whatever your beliefs are before your dead, is what will be afterwards. Make haste, because how do you know if you can change them after your dead.
By underdog - on 04/09/2008 8:34 pm
Peggy Rometo

Well, I couldn’t let this one go by without commenting - given my profession of intuitive and wowOwow’s "Star Signs" Contributor!

Not only do I believe in the after-life, but deal with it on a daily basis. Being raised Catholic for the better part of my life, I was always taught to trust and to rely on faith. That foundation of trust gave me the courage and confidence to sift through what I was taught vs. what I was experiencing, eventually leading me to my current profession (albeit initially kicking and screaming). I’ve had so many remarkable experiences not only for myself, but with clients as well, I’m way past the point of needing to be convinced. I know many of you have similar stories of your own.

I’ve seen more than a few self-proclaimed atheists convert to believing in something other than the finality of death, because of their experiences with a loved one after they’ve left this life. For some, seeing is believing! I also find it no coincidence that just a few days ago, an individual, Jim French, contacted me to share his personal story about seeing a soul leave the body while he was working in the Trauma Room at an emergency care hospital. I thought it perfect timing, given today’s commentary to share his story.

It would be interesting to hear if any of you have had a similar experience as Jim’s or if you’re one of the "one in three" he refers to in his letter to me. See below:

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Dear Peggy,

Many years ago, while a sophomore at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, I was fortunate to be employed part-time as a Nursing Assistant in the Emergency Room of the University Hospital. Because this is a teaching hospital with physicians and surgeons coming and going, the Emergency Room has always been run by its nursing staff. I thought of it as Nurse Heaven. I, awkward, shy, was, am, in love with every one of the women who were nurses there and then.

Eventually, I was assigned to the trauma team that worked the Trauma Room within the Emergency Room. The Trauma Room is an operating suite placed to handle emergency admissions who are so unstable and emergent that these patients cannot survive long enough to reach any operating room farther into the hospital. We lost most of the lives we fought to save in the Trauma Room.

One night, the doors burst open, the head nurse shouts, "Trauma Room!" and off we go. This was presenting as a sort of rolling heart attack that did not respond to the electric paddles or chest compression. The surgeon sweeps in…we crack the chest. My job is to bear a tight grip on a retractor, lean back, keep that side of the rib cage apart from the other, concentrate on nothing else but that.

Something caught my attention. It had to do with light, the source of light. I can’t say I saw it. I will say I perceived it. And, at the moment the stalk snapped, the monitors sounded their alarms.

After all was over, I went into the nurses lounge and was standing before a mirror, wiping my face with a wet paper towel when the loveliest nurse you can possibly imagine, Lucy Kearns, RN, came in.

Lucy Kearns. She had a way of taking her shoes off and massaging her feet and this way, glimpsed by me from time to time, of this woman, this nurse, past the point of exhaustion, rubbing her feet, there was something about the way she rubbed her feet that always caught my attention and stays with me to this day. That night, though, she paused to worry about me: "Was that the first time?"

"No." Not the first. Not the first one lost with me standing there; but, the first time…

"I saw something, though."

"What?"

"Well, I didn’t see it. I must have perceived it."

"Well, what was it?"

"It was like a tube of light that came out of his chest and rose to the ceiling. It expanded like a bag of light, extending nearly the length of his torso; and, it hovered there, with the tube still reaching to his chest; and, then the tube snapped and the bag went up and away and that’s when the monitors went off."

Lucy, who had a way of dismissing me anyway, shrugged this off and returned her attention to her toes while saying, "That’s just the soul leaving."

I said nothing. I just stood there. She looked up, she said, "You believe in the soul, don’t you?"

I said, "Yes, ma’am. I do."

Lucy said, "Well, now you’ve seen it. You shouldn’t be so surprised."

I asked, "Have you seen it?"

She said, "Of course. A lot of times it will catch my eye. Most everybody who works the ER has seen it. Ask them. They’ll tell you."

So, I did. Throughout the years, for a number of years, I would ask, upon meeting someone who worked the ER or the EMT trucks, I would ask, "Didja ever see a soul?" I surely asked a hundred people over the years. And, I found, one out of three will say, "Oh, yeah…sure."

Anyway, I thought you might want to try this as you meet people through the years, people who stand close to that moment, ER types, you know. It is rather interesting.

-Jim French

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Thanks, Jim, for allowing me to share your amazing story.

Now, I’d love to hear your comments about Jim’s story……

By Peggy Rometo on 04/09/2008 8:41 pm
Hedda Lettuce
Hi Peggy, I was only present at one death. My husband died at home in my arms after a long battle with cancer. I did not see his spirit leave his body but did see the light leave his eyes. We were very close, spiritually, and both believed that we go on after death to wait for another human experience either as a student or as a teacher or as both. We promised each other that the one who left first would try to contact the other. I never tried to contact him actually but went through the normal grieving process. About six months later, I was meditating and in my special place, when something unusual happened. I have a special “garden” that I go to in meditation and this day, a “pop-up” entered my meditation. That’s the best way I can describe it. A caricature of a funny little smiling puppy appeared and was gone in seconds. This puzzled me for weeks! It was while I was sorting through some old papers, letters, and cards that I found the answer. My husband used to send me cards when I was away with funny little puppies on the fronts. I had forgotten about them after all that time but apparently, he didn’t! I like to think that it was my husband’s way of telling me that he was OK. If I didn’t really believe before, I do now.
By Hedda Lettuce on 04/09/2008 9:43 pm
iris odonata
Yes. April 1989. My mother is on Hospice floor for the weekend having her meds checked, allowing me respite. It’s after lunch when I sense I should go out into hall as I hear an unfamiliar beeping. Across and in the corner room, are streaming a line of white coated and blue scrubbed people wheeling a variety of carts. Physically, I am experiencing my immediate surroundings in slow motion. I am present in my body and I am a “watcher.” I glance to the left, noticing the on-duty floor nurse sobbing into her co-worker’s shoulder. At this precise moment, a sudden swirling electrical charge begins at my ankles and ascends circular around me. I visually see little twinkling lights. As it nears my heart chakra, I hear a voice. A voice of immense happiness saying “I’m free! I”M FREE! Please tell her it’s okay. I’m Free.” I glanced at the nurse who had just served this gentleman his lunch and watched lights dancing around her. Then off skipped this laughing presence out and up the ceiling. I stood smiling and awed, knowing that I had just been privileged to be entrusted to deliver a message. I did three days later. The nurse in question confirmed that while incredibly upset, she’d had a moment of complete peace and she knew her patient had said goodbye.
By iris odonata on 04/09/2008 11:58 pm
Ann Armstrong
When I was a child I believed the teachings of my grandparents and parents…that I would go to heaven if I led a “good” life. While attending Catholic High School I believed this promise, even more. Entering the real world I sometimes wondered if there was really anything after death; or did we just turn off and exist no more. When my children were born, I felt there had to be a place for God’s creations to go after their lives were over. Later, when my son died at the age of 35, I hoped he would be waiting for me when it was my time to pass. That was the only thought I had during the long mourning period after his funeral. Without something to hang onto I don’t know if I could have survived. To this day I look forward to joining him…..Ann
By Ann Armstrong on 04/09/2008 8:46 pm
r j
Sweet Ann, Thank you for your testimony and about your son, i am sorry for your loss. When you miss your son, I’m sure you consider how much God felt when He saw his own son die an innocent death and at a young age in His thirties. And of course for that JOY set before Him Christ suffered the DEATH on the cross. I pray God wraps His arms around you this day and fills you with the JOY overflowing. i was also a mother who received revelation when my children were born - about there being more. i understand labor differently now - that perhaps it is painful because we are squeezing an eternal being into and thru physical bodies. Imagine how it was for the Creator of Time and Eternity to place Himself into Humanity and for Mother Mary to endure the wonder of it all. Genesis tells us Adam and Eve disobeyed God and because of this sin, had to be banded from the garden prepared for them. Death was introduced after LIFE. LIFE came first - made in the image of God - then given skin covering and labor, work of the hands. Life was not taken from them, only a temporary SKIN CONDITION! But our free will, given at the start, enables us to sin. and our SKIN testimony that we already have. ALL of us. SKIN = SIN and it keeps us from living in the Heavenly Realm. To live with God in Heaven requires payment for our sin – well that is eternal death. Yet God loves us so much that He gave His only Son, Jesus, whose death equalled payment once for ALL, and whoever believes in Him will not perish but have life everlasting. i’m sure this will start some conversation. I’m enjoying this forum - i’m in a household of all men so this is a great time for me to connect with other women’s hearts Lord God let us love eachother.
By r j on 04/10/2008 12:00 am
Ann Armstrong
Amen, RJ!
By Ann Armstrong on 04/10/2008 10:12 am
Noena Zorche
We don’t die.. .Just the form dies.. the essential us continues. This holds true no matter what religion you are.
By Noena Zorche on 04/09/2008 9:03 pm
Simmy Sussman
We believe either what we are taught, or what we choose to believe, or not believe. Practicing a religion is different from spirituality. I was raised in a uinque way that allowed me to have choices, and religion was seen as more cultural. I however never “got” with any religion. Morality,ethical standards,social values, etc., were all stressed in my home, but religion was practiced casually. I do not believe in an afterlife per se but I believe that our spirits survive in mysterious ways that osmose through the causes and effects of the Universe. Life itself is important to me and how to live it, who I love and how I can improve the moment. The mystery of eternity is absolute.
By Simmy Sussman on 04/09/2008 9:06 pm
Just  Me
It would be “comforting” to have so much trust in people who tell the stories of unverifiable content. I find interest in listening to the stories but then think through them scientifically and logically. I find in just about all aspects of life when science comes forth the truth shall overcome… eventually. This is how I can predict the future, in the sense; in 1999 I predicted if Bush ever sat in the oval office as president that we would go to war with Iraq & Iran respectively & head for a depression too. I predicted cholesterol is, on the most part, a crock. I could go on for pages but I didn’t predict these things were going to happen (but they did). I used logic & science to predict them for me. I am not a clairvoyant or anything else. Is the science logical? Is life after death logical; how & why? Is there a God? Why is there a God? Is God needed for man to withstand/bare life? Do animals believe? They definitely have soles. Why not? Is there a consensus on any of the stories of God, Jesus, the Virgin Mary, etc.? Or is there decent on most, if not all the stories? Think logically & truth shall rise & overcome. How your body functions is even logical. Everything has logic to it in some form or another except God. Humm ??????
By Just Me on 04/09/2008 9:20 pm
Blue Iris
This for the technical department: I was both listening AND reading until I got the the bottom of the first page. The audio stopped when I hit “next”. I thought maybe I could go back and pick up the sound where it stopped but it had gone back to the beginning. Sometimes it’s nice to both read and listen. Hope you can fix it. I saw four of you on Charlie Rose on my DVR today and came straight to the website. Best wishes.
By Blue Iris on 04/09/2008 9:35 pm
sharon  thompson
i believe when death arrives we are met by those we loved including pets. as i stood at my father’s bed and the monitor indicated his passing i looked up and said goodbye. i was with him earlier in the day during his last conscious moments and told him that his parents were waiting for him - he should go to them and be happy. i would see him again - a tear fell from his eye and he closed those beautiful blue eyes never to open them again. do i hold on to the fact that he will be there? forever more. do i know in my heart that my nanny and poppy as well as dad be standing in line to greet me? forever more. do i believe patra the sweetest cat or dutchess my faithful shepard mix will have their place on the edge. forever more. what else do we have but our faith. born and raised a roman catholic i have strayed from the set times of church, the forgotten latin masses or the thin pieces of veil that covered our heads but i do believe there is someone, something waiting for us on the other side - when my nanny died (at my age of 19) my grandfather (poppy) called me nine months later to offer up a miscellaneous grouping of glassware, etc that belonged to her - i was thrilled to have the items (all of which are in special places in my home) but kept coming back to him sitting on the cellar steps to make sure he was fine with it all. he looked at me and said “sharon, take them…i will not live a christmas without my maryjane” - we buried him on dec 23 of that same year. i was comforted by the fact that they spent that and all recurring christmas holidays together.
By sharon thompson on 04/09/2008 10:16 pm
briggs nisbet
as a gardener and long time observer of the plant world I have come to an understanding of death as part of an unending cycle of life. Matter never disappears but just changes form. However, humans, unlike plants, have memory - and the strange fact of human death is that we live in memory, a sort of second life. That , I think is the everylasting conundrum of humanity.
By briggs nisbet on 04/09/2008 11:31 pm
theresa troy
This was a very interesting session. I am looking forward to many more stimulating questions. Thanks to Charlie Rose for being wise enough to invite you to his amazing program! He is by far the best interviewer on television!
By theresa troy on 04/09/2008 11:54 pm