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Conversation | 04/09/2008 12:00 am

What Happens to Us After We Die?

Ghost on a Roman Street: July 2007
© Joan Juliet Buck

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EDITOR’S NOTE: To listen in on this conversation, click the play button above. Also featuring special guest, Joni Evans, CEO of wowOwow. The following text has been edited for clarity.

JONI: So, William Buckley died and at the memorial his son Christopher told how his father was once asked what would be the right epitaph for him when he died. And — I believe his answer came from the Book of Job, or I read that it was — he said: “I know that my Redeemer liveth,” which is the perfect lead-in to: What do you think happens after we die?

LILY: Has anyone ever exhumed a human body, or are you just going beyond the corpus?

SHEILA: Do you mean it’s rotting, or it’s spiritual?

JONI: Well both. We can talk about exhuming a human body.

LILY: Well, if you want to.

JONI: Well, Lily, you just said that you did …

LILY: I did. I’m saying I have an inordinate interest in anatomy and physiological processes and things. So I know what happens to us physically. We deteriorate eventually. But I was raised Fundamentalist Baptist. What were you raised, Julia?

JULIA: Presbyterian. I just went to the Presbyterian church this morning like a good little Catholic.

LILY: You all may be more spiritual than I am.

SHEILA: I’m not at all. I was raised as a Communist Atheist by my parents.

JULIA: Well, I think being raised Baptist has made most of my Baptist friends become Communist Atheists.

LILY: Well maybe that’s kind of what I was leading to.

JONI: So, was there no religion or any kind of faith in your childhoods that led you to believe we might live on after this world?

357 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Mary Howfield
Just as we are all unique in what we truly believe and what we believe to be true, we are also uniquely tied to our own life experience. For me this site offers a way to share a personal experience that can answer many questions if you choose to believe. After hearing a nurse in the recovery room say my pulse had gone again, I came out of my body and became a transparent mirror image of myself. Without more detail here, I know there is room for every spirit that ever lived. To verify this experience I read the recovery notes and indeed my pulse stopped twice. I wondered why I did not hear anything the first time. I have learned the reason for this, does anybody else know why?
By Mary Howfield on 04/09/2008 10:54 pm
Theresa Mhaidhc Moriarty
Hello. I was raised a Catholic, convent grammar school and all that, but now I’m an atheist with a leaning towards Buddhism; I only believe what I know, and I know very little indeed. I do know that one day I’m going to pop my clogs like everyone else but what happens after that, if anything……….well, I just don’t know. However, when my daughter was 3 years old, she said to me “you know that place where I was before?” and I said “before you were in my tummy?” and she said, “no, that green place, you know, it was all green.” End of conversation, but I’ve since heard many examples of such pre-birth memories, all from kids between 2 and 4 years of age. My daughter maintains that such children are young enough to remember a previous life, and articulate enough to mention it before the memory fades. Of course, it could be inherited memory; there’s no reason why we wouldn’t inherit our parents’ and ancestors’ experiences as well as their genes. Mind you, I have a vivid recollection from infancy, of looking upwards, probably from a prone position, and having a sudden awareness that I was inside my own head looking out; of being ‘here’ and separate from my surroundings. It’s hard to explain, but that’s the best I can make of it. Perhaps that’s what will happen after I’ve shed the old mortal coil - I’ll wake up inside some other kid’s head and have to start the whole shebang again. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhh!
By Theresa Mhaidhc Moriarty on 04/09/2008 7:30 am
Laura Weiss Lyngaas
I, too, am a recovering Catholic, since turned Unitarian-Buddhist-Pagan. I have worked for ten years as a Massage Therapist, with much experience in energy work (ala Acupressure, Reiki ). The more I work in this field, the more I am convinced that all of us are connected on some other level, as if, when living, we embody the branches of a tree and , when in death, we move to the tree trunk. The tree is also growing in it’s own process. Physics supports many of the ideas of philosophers. The discovery of Dark Matter in our universe is an example of the existence of unseen forces around us. Energy changes, it does not disappear. My daughter, at three years of age, once said, “Mommy, I can’t see the angels any more.” and I said, “That doesn’t mean they aren’t there, honey.”
By Laura Weiss Lyngaas on 04/09/2008 11:49 am
suzanna sands
Hi Laura, I worked in early childhood for many years and had a wonderful encounter with a three year old who told me she wanted “to go back to school.” I knew our program was the first school experience she ever had, so I asked her to explain where she had gone to school before and like your daughter, she assumed I knew. “you know,” she said, “the angel school.” She said she had been there before and wanted to go “to work with the sunshine.” Whew! Either she had an extremely advanced imagination or…….? I honestly felt her longing and it seemed very grown up in nature, like someone who had been here before and was homesick. Just thought I’d pass this unusual experience along to you.
By suzanna sands on 05/23/2008 7:01 pm
CAROLINE MuLVEY
I am Catholic, I do not attend church now because of my illness. I can not bring my self to go in public, I pray every day many times in a day. I believe that when I die, my body will eventually dissolve into the earth, My soul will go to Heaven and the Lord will bring me into a beautiful place that is safe and full of love. I will be able to watch over my family.
By CAROLINE MuLVEY on 04/09/2008 7:35 am
Grace Aqualina
I am in the same position you are. I’m battling cancer (4 surgeries and possibly another). I am a Catholic albeit not a very good one. However, I could never renounce my belief in God. I disagree with a lot of the man-made laws but the basic core is very important to me. I do think there is an afterlife. If I didn’t have this to hang on to, I could not battle against this disease. It’s very comforting and supportive to believe in the afterlife. I hope you do well and feel better. You can always ‘talk’ to me. Everyone can. Love it.
By Grace Aqualina on 04/09/2008 12:11 pm
Buh-Bye Hillary Hillary Buh-Bye
Hi Grace, Love your name and admire your courage and fighting spirit. Like you I have no doubt that there is another beautiful place. I’ve kept a book of quotes for 30 years…and don’t know who said this but always loved it, “The influence of prayer on the mind and body is as demonstrable as that of secreting glands. Its results can be measured in terms of increased physical bouyancy, greater intelligence, vigor, stamina, and a deeper understanding of the realities underlying human relationships. Prayer is a luminous and self-generating for of energy.” All best, Suzanne
By Buh-Bye Hillary Hillary Buh-Bye on 04/11/2008 4:49 am
Miz B
I try really, really hard to live the Golden Rule each day. I don’t want to die. Can’t figure any other way out. Hence I won’t worry. Try it, you will like it.
By Miz B on 04/09/2008 7:41 am
Peg O my heart
Miz B - I agree with you. Like the saying goes, “No One Here Gets Out Alive”. I like and employ the concept of living the golden rule every day to make THIS world a better place, not to ensure my enrollment in a life everafter. I don’t “know” what happens after we die, I suppose that is where faith comes in. But I reject the belief that no one can enter the kingdom of heaven unless they are baptised a Christian. We are all spiritual beings occupying a physical body. I just let my spirit have it’s way with my body!
By Peg O my heart on 04/09/2008 10:27 am
Kay Sara
I went to Catholic schools through highschool. When I was in 7th grade Sister Olga talked to us about dying. Every since that lecture I have been totally fearless about death but so strange for over 40 years I have tried to remember what it was she said to us and I cannot remember a single word or concept. But I do believe we are so much more than our bodies and all of that light and energy has to go somewhere. Looking at my Dad in his casket - I couldn’t believe how much of him was energy and such a strong powerful force. I am working hard to grasp the concepts of time vs. eternity. Saw a great show on how eternity is not endless time. The quote that I live by: “We live not in time, but in eternity.” It helps guide me all of my decisions, to make long term choices over short term comforts.
By Kay Sara on 04/11/2008 12:36 pm
Tony Galento
This is my belief: Thirteen (my lucky number) angels watch over me like J-Z’s bodyguards. These angels are people who caught me at the most appropriate points in my life and pounded my talents into my head- even when I thought I had none. Without these angels, I wouldn’t have completed high school, gone on to university, accomplished all I have done in 64 years. And I talk to these angels every night, naming them, asking particular favors of them. I give to them by leading an honest life, doing something positive every day, and striving to be a better person. My little army of angels helps me focus on what is important. I believe that once I depart this mortal coil, I will be reborn in another life and given another opportunity to succeed. So I have plans for a few of my next lives. I want to be an R&B singer, vet, investigative reporter…one life each. I have no regrets about my present life so far, and have no fear of what is to come. My mom likens me to Alice in Wonderland, because of my curiosity and the many places I’ve been in the world.
By Tony Galento on 04/09/2008 7:45 am
kat
I haven’t a clue. I could believe that as taught as children we go to heaven (if we have been good) and continue on in a ectastically peaceful soul state. If we have been bad and go to hell we burn baby burn. Some say our karma dictates our end. Are we reincarnated as an animal, or lowly bug or another human? Some believe that we all get to heaven but are placed on different levels depending on what lessons we learned while we were on earth. We read and hear of near death experiences and the light we are drawn to and how absolutely peaceful it is. When i meet my end, hopefully, wowowow will still be here and I will definitely write to you and let all of you know, that is if i can get away from the cloud im sitting on eating Philadelphia cream cheese on an everything bagel.
By kat on 04/09/2008 7:46 am
MaryPage Drake
Nothing. Nothing happens to us after death. We have only this one life in which to learn and love and do everything possible to protect our planet and improve the chances of our species surviving by learning to get off this planet and out of this solar system. Death obliterates all action in those little grey cells and the brain rots. All stories to the contrary are the result of mythmakers conning the masses with promises carefully honned to control and reward, at the same time they give themselves careers. One of the most obvious flaws in these myths is their universal insistence the female of our species is of less value and importance in the scheme of things. Big time propaganda, all; the result being a huge waste in the ways in which we direct our attention and energies during these short lives.
By MaryPage Drake on 04/09/2008 7:47 am
Kay Weeks
Mary, You might want to read “The God Side of the Brain,” by Matthew Alper. On the back cover, it says” Is the Human Animal “Wired” to Believe in a God?…Is God something that exists “out there” beyond, and independent of us? Or is God merely the product of an inherited perception, the manifestation of an evolutionary adaptation, a coping mechanism that emerged in our species to enable us to survive our unique and otherwise debilitating awareness of death?” These are the key questions that this group might benefit from discussion. As for leaving the planet…well…I think we have to stay in and try to improve it, and get along with each other…not dwelling on this divisive question of afterlife. We need to LIVE in the present one.
By Kay Weeks on 04/09/2008 8:21 am
Penny Lane
There was once a time when we did not exist — and that time was before we were born. It makes the most, logical sense to me that that is precisely what will happen after our body expires; we just won’t exist any more. Not very romantic, I know, but I just can’t see it happening any other way. “I am going to a better place; you do not believe what I believe, so you are not.” So, “God” (the one to which you would specifically subscribe) is psychic? S/He can read your mind? But your mind expires with your body… So you have a spiritual mind that can be read?… Or does S/He read your mind before you die?… But when do they read it?… What if your beliefs change right before you expire?… There are far too many unanswerable questions in that theory for me to accept that (for myself). But that’s faith, I suppose, isn’t it? You don’t need proof, you don’t even need logic — you just need faith; to believe in something and so it shall be. And although my (dis)beliefs differ from most, I still choose to live by the Golden Rule, which is, simply, to treat others they way I want to be treated. I don’t do it because I want to go to heaven or because I don’t want to go to hell, I do it because I believe it is a fair and just way to live. I’ll also close with a quote from Seneca (the Younger): “Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the ruler as useful.”
By Penny Lane on 04/09/2008 8:01 am