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Conversation | 04/09/2008 12:00 am

What Happens to Us After We Die?

Ghost on a Roman Street: July 2007
© Joan Juliet Buck

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JONI: So, William Buckley died and at the memorial his son Christopher told how his father was once asked what would be the right epitaph for him when he died. And — I believe his answer came from the Book of Job, or I read that it was — he said: “I know that my Redeemer liveth,” which is the perfect lead-in to: What do you think happens after we die?

LILY: Has anyone ever exhumed a human body, or are you just going beyond the corpus?

SHEILA: Do you mean it’s rotting, or it’s spiritual?

JONI: Well both. We can talk about exhuming a human body.

LILY: Well, if you want to.

JONI: Well, Lily, you just said that you did …

LILY: I did. I’m saying I have an inordinate interest in anatomy and physiological processes and things. So I know what happens to us physically. We deteriorate eventually. But I was raised Fundamentalist Baptist. What were you raised, Julia?

JULIA: Presbyterian. I just went to the Presbyterian church this morning like a good little Catholic.

LILY: You all may be more spiritual than I am.

SHEILA: I’m not at all. I was raised as a Communist Atheist by my parents.

JULIA: Well, I think being raised Baptist has made most of my Baptist friends become Communist Atheists.

LILY: Well maybe that’s kind of what I was leading to.

JONI: So, was there no religion or any kind of faith in your childhoods that led you to believe we might live on after this world?

357 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Kay Weeks
Penny, That notion of “I am going to heaven; you are not,” is man-made and kind of gossipy, the tone that separates us. Of course, we are going nowhere, so I agree with you totally and Seneca the Younger that religion can serve a useful purpose if it teaches us to be compassionte to each other during the (er) “living years.” Some people don’t need to hear it to do it; others need to hear it from a higher authority…some men, usually, who made up the rules of behavior.
By Kay Weeks on 04/09/2008 8:32 am
Anita Varma
I am Hindu and i was taught to believe that there is life after death. Gita teaches that we all have soul which is separate from our physical form. The soul is permanent and can not be destroyed. The cycle of life and death keeps on going till we have achieved nirvana by our action, and then we do not have to come to this earth. As a scientist, it is hard to believe in something that does not have any proof, but it definetly is a motivator to become a better person. Our actions or karma remains with us and determines quality of life on this earth. Hindus also believe that hell and heaven is right here on this earth and our karmas determines how we are rewarded.
By Anita Varma on 04/09/2008 8:05 am
peg knickerbocker
There was a movie in 1998 called “What Dreams May Come” I liked the way the director made death seem like what we feel when we are in ours dreams. I am at that age where I am watching the people I love most facing their own death and dying. This part of living has made my love for my fellow man stronger than I every thought possible. I am able to see death as the reward for all this living I have been able to do. I feel our energy goes back into the universe we took it from in order to experience this wonderful thing called life. Thanks for a very interesting subject and thanks to late night television for bringing you into my living room. I will be watching your site to grow. P. Knick
By peg knickerbocker on 04/09/2008 8:18 am
suzanna sands
I’m with you on this one. I feel even when I see a dead squirrel on the side of the road that another little spark of light has returned to the source. No rational, logical reason why I believe this, it’s just there.
By suzanna sands on 05/23/2008 7:10 pm
Jeannot Kensinger
I just KNOW that we all will go to a better place. How do I know? I just know it. That is enough for me. I am not religious but spiritual.
By Jeannot Kensinger on 04/09/2008 8:18 am
Teresa Gootee
as a young girl growing up , I was taught is several different religions. They all had the same message, be good, help others and you will go to heaven if you don’t you go to hell. I do believe that our bodies are the carrier of the soul. We make our heaven or hell as we live on this earth. I have no idea of what it would be like in the after life. I have the belief that has been put into my head as a person attending a religious church. So I guess as a human we do as we are taught. I do feel the soul leaves the body and we go back to dust, but where we go from there I could not say
By Teresa Gootee on 04/09/2008 8:34 am
BA Scherrman
I believe in Heaven,,,,I believe that a merciful God has sent His Son to get a place ready for me when I die…..there is love and peace in this place where we will be when we die…..(and every body who ever has loved you and whom you have loved will be there, too….)
By BA Scherrman on 04/09/2008 9:10 am
J.A Privenn
About the only thing I remember from sitting through the classes on physics at school…a very long time ago is the rule…… energy is never lost, it is converted….. So what has this to do with after death? For me it is everything because I believe in the nuclei theory of immortality. I may not communicate this well but here goes. The very nuclei of our cells are bound by an energy our brains fire on an energy. So when the body dies where does that energy go? If you have ever been with someone as they die you will have been struck by how , one minute ‘they’ were there, how ever weak. Then ‘they’ were gone and the body is a shell that they have left behind. Perhaps the ‘they’ or soul is that very energy that drives us and is the essence of us all. So where does it go this energy when it leaves the body? Like everyone else, basically I do not know. It could ‘float’ about and be converted into a new configuration of energy and appear back on earth in a different body, to experience a new life and learn lessons from that life. Perhaps the purpose of life is to refine and purify that energy who knows? Some teachings tell us we have our own memories, family memories, race memories, species memories…could be that these are imprinted in our essential energy and pass from life to life. And what happens when the energy is super pure? Perhaps the Divine directs it to some new purpose, place state……..My little mind cannot look that far. I was brought up in the Church of England and I always had trouble with the Heaven of people wearing ancient Greek dress floating about in a misty world. It would seem to be very boring. I can’t believe doing nothing for ever…is the great reward. I think that the Tibetan traditional belief is that …the soul leaves the body and is free till it finds a new body, if I remember correctly this takes about a month. Could it be that the Divine is the ultimate recycler? It will be interesting to see if this makes any kind of sense to anyone else. It is a comfort to me and personal, no doubt others can shoot holes through my construct. I do find it a comfort, that to my mind this proves a measure of immortality. If you can view death as just a matter of shaking off an earthly shell that has worn out and away of going to find a new ‘shell’..it all seems more reasonable to me at least. Of cause it would be nice if one had some say in to what kind of ‘new body’ you could inhabit! I suspect that is not the case and that one is directed into a new life for lessons you have yet to learn. Hope I don’t sound too crazy here or cracked…But remember you need cracks to let in the light.
By J.A Privenn on 04/09/2008 9:16 am
Dini H
Having just finished reading Michael Newton’s book, “Life Betweeen Lives”, my own mental model of “spirituality” was enhanced in a pragmatic way. Michael’s work in hypnotherapy was originally shared in two books (Journey of Souls, Destiny of Souls) and this more clinical book as well. I have a strong Christian upbringing and do not find the concepts of a “new shell” in conflict with my own religious background, because it does not negate the existence of the highest level of existence/love (i.e., “God”). Michael Newton conceptualizes spiritual existence structure and “levels” based on numerous client experiences in hypnotic regression. While the structural aspect was the most difficult for me to comprehend, the incredible love and forgiveness of other souls and the connection of soul and energy to body and incarnation was one of the most insightful perspectives on this question I’ve ever received.
By Dini H on 04/09/2008 9:31 am
Kay Weeks
JA, You know, if we stop thinking about afterlife, we can put all our energy on this one. I am not looking for something “better.” But I respect your view. In a way we all are looking for a comfortable end. Freedom from pain, frustration…but on the other side are joy, creativity, connection, appreciation of the beauties of nature…I say, hang tough, stay in, and live to the fullest exent for today.
By Kay Weeks on 04/09/2008 9:50 am
Babette dYveine
I would like to believe that there is life after death, but I’m an agnostic, so I can’t be sure. I can’t imagine not being, though, and I find it very confusing. I question the existence of God because I can’t understand how something all-powerful can allow people to inflict atrocities on other people, especially helpless ones. And how can this all-powerful God allow innocent people die of famines and diseases?
By Babette dYveine on 04/09/2008 9:17 am
becka  buchanan
the bible tells us “To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord”.
By becka buchanan on 04/09/2008 9:19 am
Judy m.
Whenever I gaze down at a coral reef’s complexity of life, observe the intricacys of the animal kingdom, and see the world that exists in a drop of water-I cannot doubt that we are part of a much larger complex whole. As we move thru life we are given countless opportunities to give and love. I believe that that only previews what we will find after leaving our frail bodies.
By Judy m. on 04/09/2008 9:31 am
Kay Sara
Well said, Judy. The variety and wonder of this planet and the universe assures me of the most incredible creator —- that does not exclude evolution, but created evolution in the plan.
By Kay Sara on 04/11/2008 12:48 pm
alice ruth
In coping with the passing of people I have loved, I have found comfort in the belief that there is life after death. I can’t say that I have ever understood what “life after death” means. It is a mystery that no amount of study from the Bible or from the writings of religious scholars has solved for me. I will attend a funeral this week for a friend who was one of the bravest, kindest persons I ever knew. She believed in Heaven, and I want to believe that she is there.
By alice ruth on 04/09/2008 9:31 am