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Conversation | 04/09/2008 12:00 am

What Happens to Us After We Die?

Ghost on a Roman Street: July 2007
© Joan Juliet Buck

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EDITOR’S NOTE: To listen in on this conversation, click the play button above. Also featuring special guest, Joni Evans, CEO of wowOwow. The following text has been edited for clarity.

JONI: So, William Buckley died and at the memorial his son Christopher told how his father was once asked what would be the right epitaph for him when he died. And — I believe his answer came from the Book of Job, or I read that it was — he said: “I know that my Redeemer liveth,” which is the perfect lead-in to: What do you think happens after we die?

LILY: Has anyone ever exhumed a human body, or are you just going beyond the corpus?

SHEILA: Do you mean it’s rotting, or it’s spiritual?

JONI: Well both. We can talk about exhuming a human body.

LILY: Well, if you want to.

JONI: Well, Lily, you just said that you did …

LILY: I did. I’m saying I have an inordinate interest in anatomy and physiological processes and things. So I know what happens to us physically. We deteriorate eventually. But I was raised Fundamentalist Baptist. What were you raised, Julia?

JULIA: Presbyterian. I just went to the Presbyterian church this morning like a good little Catholic.

LILY: You all may be more spiritual than I am.

SHEILA: I’m not at all. I was raised as a Communist Atheist by my parents.

JULIA: Well, I think being raised Baptist has made most of my Baptist friends become Communist Atheists.

LILY: Well maybe that’s kind of what I was leading to.

JONI: So, was there no religion or any kind of faith in your childhoods that led you to believe we might live on after this world?

357 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Kay Sara
I had an unusual encounter on an airplane. A little chld was sitting behind me about 3 years old and when I looked at him and there was just such an odd “knowing” connection it was in his eyes as well as in mine. We communicated our recognition and did not say a word. I do not know who I connected with other than this little child’s soul.
By Kay Sara on 04/11/2008 1:05 pm
Kay Sara
oops- sorry for repeating myself (senior moment) especially when there are so many interesting thoughts to take in.
By Kay Sara on 04/14/2008 12:34 pm
Eileen Green
When my father died, the parent of one of my students, said that she believed that when we are born we pass from our mother’s womb into a new experience. Perhaps, after death, we will pass on into yet another experience. That gave me comfort. For myself, I just admit that I have absolutely no idea of what will or will not happen. I left the Catholic Church, when I was about 19. I do not believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible, and I have enjoyed the conversations between Joseph Campbell and Bill Moyers. I am open to hearing about the beliefs of others. When Teri Gross on NPR interviewed Joan Didion, who had lost her beloved husband and only child, I believe Joan said that she believes in geology. I interpreted that to mean that we are part of nature and it can change dramatically. That made sense to me, as did many of the answers to the question posed. So, thank you to all of you for sharing your beliefs. I don’t have a firm belief. I know that a belief in the afterlife, gave my parents comfort when they were dying. “Love”, that “gut feeling” mentioned above, the idea of a “universal connectedness”, of a “higher power”, all appeal to me. Yet, it is still a mystery to me, and I can live and die with that mystery unsolved.
By Eileen Green on 04/09/2008 10:11 am
alice ruth
Has anyone in this group read “In Lieu of Flowers” by Nancy Cobb? She tells of how she dealt with her father’s death and how others she interviewed coped with the experience of loved ones dying. I, too, have found reading the conversation between Bill Moyers and Joseph Campbell intriguing.
By alice ruth on 04/09/2008 10:27 am
Eileen Green
Dear Alice Ruth, Just came back to this conversation about what we think happens to us after we die. I realize that you responded to my comment. Thank you for mentioning, “In Lieu of Flowers” by Nancy Cobb and for sharing how you found the conversation betw. Bill Moyers and Joseph Campbell intriguing. From time to time, I still listen to their conversations on VCR tapes. wowOwow really feels like a conversation, when someone responds. Cheers! Eileen
By Eileen Green on 04/19/2008 12:17 pm
Estimada C
I was raised Methodist but now am Baptist, which I prefer. I believe every word in the Bible from Genesis I through Revelation 22. I believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins and if we ask forgiveness for our sins, turn from our sin and invite Jesus into our heart as Lord and Savior, we receive salvation at that point - the promise of eternal life. I try my best to live by the Golden Rule - to be kind, compassionate and understanding to everyone, just as I would like to be treated.
By Estimada C on 04/09/2008 10:16 am
Carol Reitz-Butler
As charming as the idea of small children remembering “before life” (and thus substantiating the idea of “after life”) may be, it’s just not physically possible. Memory is a function of the myelin sheath, which is still being formed in early childhood. That’s why most people’s earliest memories start around the age of three.
By Carol Reitz-Butler on 04/09/2008 10:18 am
Nola ForClarity
We are really not in a position to know what happens to us after we die; however, we can have thoughts and feelings about the question. Here is my thinking process, which of course, is loaded with feelings. When a baby is conceived and born, the life force is automatically within. Who knows where it comes from — it is truly wondrous and magical. When the body dies, the life force leaves. We have all seen it. Where does it go? Back into the universe, where everything exists in a manner of speaking. There’s no where else to go, as we know it. Questions like: in what form, is there consciousness, etc. do not really interest me and are unknowable. I’m content with that.
By Nola ForClarity on 04/09/2008 10:19 am
maris pym
After making the trip from being brought up in a home with only nominal christian beliefs (like having sex before marriage is a sin) to being sent to Sunday Schools at the nearest church to our house (regardless of denominations) to going the full Monty (charismatic pentacostal) as a result of a painful divorce, I now am quite satisfied and comfortable with being an agnostic. Because of my journey, I am very interested (mostly) in western religions and love reading novels with a touch of religion in them. After saying all this, I should add my two cents and say I do not believe in an afterlife. I believe dead is dead.
By maris pym on 04/09/2008 10:21 am
J.A Privenn
Is there ever dead totally gone? Something is left, there is trace. The physical may have gone but everybody has shared DNA with someone, some have even combined their DNA and passed it into a new life. That is tangible even if we cannot actually see it. Love, once received is with us and supports us for ever and so the dead continue to be with us. I agree with those who say we are part of some great organism, the breath and depth of which we cannot comprehend but I feel, my after death beliefs fit in with that. We all come to terms with our own interpretation of the meaning of life and death. We have to find philosophies and beliefs that work for us and respect what others decide on. The fact that I personally cannot take in certain beliefs of another religion or belief system should not make me feel threatened. They exclude and disrespect those who think differently, I find that aspect of organised religions difficult. As a previous post says…I too, imperfect spirit that I am, will be returning a lot LOL!
By J.A Privenn on 04/09/2008 11:13 am
Claudia Archer
wOw, Each time my body dies, my spirit will keep coming back till I do it right. I will be here for a long, long time.
By Claudia Archer on 04/09/2008 10:23 am
Sandra Johnston
I am a practicing Lutheran and believe in the resurrection and eternal life with no specific dogma about the how. I see death as change rather than an ending, as mystery and adventure.
By Sandra Johnston on 04/09/2008 10:23 am
alice ruth
From someone who can barely cope with the idea of changing jobs, viewing death as change is not a coping mechanism.
By alice ruth on 04/09/2008 10:35 am
Eileen Green
Hi, This website is a wonderful idea. Saw some of the key women on The Charlie Rose Show last night. I look forward to being part of the conversation. I think we are in another period, where we need more consiousness-raising. Specifically, I think we need to pull together more racially…to hold our hand out, As Peggy Noonan’s friend, Kathy, did, to people of other backgrounds. So, I hope that the voices of African-Americans, Asians, Caucasians, Hispanics, Native Americans, etc., will all become part of the conversation. It will also be wonderful if your website becomes popular with people from other countries and continents. Great idea, ladies!!! PS I want to know about Leslie Stahl’s earrings. I travel and would like a base pair that I could add attachments of different colors. Obviously, I watch 60 Minutes regularly. PPS I think/hope that the conversations on your website will increase the chances for world peace. It is frightening to me that all the members of the UN Security Council are among the world’s greatest makers and distributors of arms.
By Eileen Green on 04/09/2008 10:34 am
Nancy Burns
NANCY B. 4/9/08, 12:30 P.M. Eileen, a big “DITTO” to your ideas above. OMIT the part about the earrings and 60 Minutes. What concerns me more than anything right now is world peace and our Presidential Race. I know having lived almost 72 years that women hold the key to most that is good in the world and I am particularly hopeful that more women will get behind Mrs. Clinton and pull her through this political campaign. She has said that “faith” has pulled her through all of life’s tough times and I relate to that so much. Having been in direct touch with God’s Living Spirit (I am a weak Methodist), I have put my trust in Him and know that I will pass over to His abode when I die, where ever that is. But it is this world that scares me. Don’t want an inexperienced con artist with an unpatriotic wife leading my country here on this earth. WOWOWO is the start of something BIG! I am not wealthy, but I have put my money where my mouth is and if all of you would do the same, our life here in the USA will show the world and particularly the “good ol’ boys” that females are the leaders anyway and always have been. Look at how Eve cajoled Adam in the Garden of Eden and had him eating out of her hand. And “Paradise” wasn’t “Lost” but allowed real life. Who would want to be a puppet for all their lives anyway. The mystical fable should really be our roadmap for today’s very complicated world. Thank you for this space to be heard.
By Nancy Burns on 04/09/2008 12:51 pm