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Conversation | 04/09/2008 12:00 am

What Happens to Us After We Die?

Ghost on a Roman Street: July 2007
© Joan Juliet Buck

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EDITOR’S NOTE: To listen in on this conversation, click the play button above. Also featuring special guest, Joni Evans, CEO of wowOwow. The following text has been edited for clarity.

JONI: So, William Buckley died and at the memorial his son Christopher told how his father was once asked what would be the right epitaph for him when he died. And — I believe his answer came from the Book of Job, or I read that it was — he said: “I know that my Redeemer liveth,” which is the perfect lead-in to: What do you think happens after we die?

LILY: Has anyone ever exhumed a human body, or are you just going beyond the corpus?

SHEILA: Do you mean it’s rotting, or it’s spiritual?

JONI: Well both. We can talk about exhuming a human body.

LILY: Well, if you want to.

JONI: Well, Lily, you just said that you did …

LILY: I did. I’m saying I have an inordinate interest in anatomy and physiological processes and things. So I know what happens to us physically. We deteriorate eventually. But I was raised Fundamentalist Baptist. What were you raised, Julia?

JULIA: Presbyterian. I just went to the Presbyterian church this morning like a good little Catholic.

LILY: You all may be more spiritual than I am.

SHEILA: I’m not at all. I was raised as a Communist Atheist by my parents.

JULIA: Well, I think being raised Baptist has made most of my Baptist friends become Communist Atheists.

LILY: Well maybe that’s kind of what I was leading to.

JONI: So, was there no religion or any kind of faith in your childhoods that led you to believe we might live on after this world?

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Buh-Bye Hillary Hillary Buh-Bye
Eileen- I agree “…hold our hand out to people of other backgrounds. So, I hope that the voices of African-Americans, Asians, Caucasians, Hispanics, Native Americans, etc…all become part of the conversation.” But then I lived in San Francisco where we’re all mashed cheek to cheek on the Cable Cars….and some wag said that’s why we all get along.
By Buh-Bye Hillary Hillary Buh-Bye on 04/12/2008 12:51 pm
Eileen Green
Suzanne, Thank you for your response. I read all your entries with great interest and appreciate the links you tuck into your conversations. You will be an active part of my “continuing education”, as is the Charlie Rose Show, The Jim Lehrer News Hour, Now, Bill Moyers, Tavis Smiley, PBS in general, 60 Minutes, NY Times, etc., and keeping myself open to new ideas and experiences. Getting back to holding out our hands to people of other backgrounds. In the future, I do hope that there will be something like an encouraged (reluctant to say ‘mandatory’) national service. Living in the Metropolitan Area for most of my life, I have been “mashed cheek to cheek” w. many different racial and ethnic groups (on buses & subways). I value having had opportunities to interact in various settings, with a multi-cultural, multi-racial population, and my friendships are rich and diverse. I think that, in general, we become more tolerant because of those experiences. Perhaps, if the year after high school, or whenever, citizens could get involved in projects, that included meeting/working with others from different backgrounds, our society, in general would become more open-minded and tolerant. Changing the subject a bit, I have a huge problem with the small percentage of Americans, who have been sent to Iraq and keep being recycled. (Please bear w. my circular reasoning.) I think many Americans are insecure since 9/11, and they somehow can disconnect and disregard the unfair sacrifice and the destruction of a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. If there was a draft, I don’t think that there would have been a pre-emptive strike in Iraq. I’m sure that there is a better solution that a draft, and I would not want a draft, if a reckless administration, like this one was in power. However, it angers and frustrates me, that so many can turn their backs on what position we’ve put our military/National Guard in and the innocent Iraqis, as well. When my brother and friends were in Vietnam, my family was glued to the TV and also awaited letters from my brother. Now, most of us do not know anyone who is serving in Iraq, so it is easier to dismiss what is happening to them and to the Iraqis. In “Audacity of Hope”, Barak Obama, talked about the ability of the elder Senators/Congressman to communicate and show respect for each other, despite party affiliation. Senator Byrd said that most of them had shared the World War II experience and there was a bond. Hopefully, there will be a less dramatic way for our future leaders, our representatives, and our citizenry to bond, so that we can deal with the challenges we are facing. Thanks for listening, Suzanne.
By Eileen Green on 04/19/2008 1:27 pm
Rita T
I grew up a Southern Baptist, but converted to Catholicism after my marriage. With all of its faults, problems, and anti-women platforms, The Church is still my connection to something beyond me. I like the holiness of the Mass and how connected I feel to the Trinity. I guess I have a difficult time understanding people who don’t believe in a higher power or a life hereafter.
By Rita T on 04/09/2008 10:37 am
Crazypieces S
Persons that have gone for an instant and come back report a bright light. That could be physical/chemical happening in the brain. My mother had fretted and generally disturbed her surroundings most of her life. One Wednesday, she had a stroke, by Friday she was brain dead and left us, but not without a disturbance. Her heart had quit beating and she died, but for about 15 or 20 minutes, her soul was in the hospital room generally creating the same fuss she created in her “live” life. Finally, she left us and it was peaceful again. To my husband and me that was proof of the existence of a soul that had some entity and influence. My mother-in-law, who did a great deal of spiritual searching, was convinced that our life after death went on much the same as when we died. i.e. if we are leading a kind and happy life at death, we will kind and happy after death. if we are mean and ugly to people we will be that way after death. After a life of trying to make ourselves better persons, solving relationships and generally becoming a better persons, we are rewarded in our after life using that growth we attained in our life’s path.
By Crazypieces S on 04/09/2008 10:49 am
Celia Seal
THANK YOU CHARLIE ROSE! GIRLS, THIS SITE GIVE ME A NEW LEASE ON LIFE.
By Celia Seal on 04/09/2008 10:56 am
Diane Westerman
Right on Celia! Thank God for Charlie Rose. He always gets it right. Interviewing the “Girls” last night proves it.
By Diane Westerman on 04/09/2008 2:21 pm
Kay Weeks
Celia! Really? Why don’t people (women, especially) have this conversation elsewhere? We could, you know.
By Kay Weeks on 04/09/2008 3:50 pm
florida femme
this is one of my favorite subjects….I was born and raised Catholic, and swallowed the whole thing, no questions asked, till I was about 35. It was like I woke up one day out of a coma, and started questioning everything. This is where I am now….I struggle at times with the very notion of the existence of God….there are days when it seems too much like a fairy tale…then there are days when I can’t see how this could all be an accident….and also, if there is a Creator who allowed us to evolve into people capable of great love for one another, then I can’t believe He would take our loved ones away from us, never to be seen again….that’s what I try to hold onto.
By florida femme on 04/09/2008 10:56 am
Shirley Hyams
In my 83 years, I have yet to come up with the answer. Guess we continue to live on in all of those who loved us.
By Shirley Hyams on 04/09/2008 11:02 am
Kay Weeks
Shirley! You are absolutely right. Heaven is…memory. We do live on in other people’s lives. Thanks for saying this! You rock! I am 70 so look to you for the ultimate word on this.
By Kay Weeks on 04/09/2008 3:53 pm
Norma J Wyman
My husband of 56 yrs recently died from cancer, and I miss him terribly. His body is in the ground, but his spirit is not-. Upon our acceptance of the free gift of salvation,GOD says “I will come and get you, so that where I am, you will be also.” Neither of us are/were afraid of dying, although inevitable. Our body, which we live in on this earth,dies. Our spirit lives on!! I have peace about my husbands death-missing him is hard-but I will see him again. Its Gods promise if you accept HIS gift……NJW
By Norma J Wyman on 04/09/2008 11:04 am
Hedda Hopper
Well, I was raised a Christian…I’m going to be with the Lord Jesus Christ.
By Hedda Hopper on 04/09/2008 11:05 am
Giselle Massi
Kay, Thank you for your understanding of what I have offered here in this format. You may contact me via my email address I posted above earlier with your mailing address if you would like me to send you my dvd and book free. My web person is in the process of getting the dvd posted so others can simply access it that way. I am thankful to Joni Evans for being willing to give public voice to this compelling question. It is one that at times has plagued and intrigued many a person I’ve interviewed or communicated with throughout my journalism career and spiritual work. My experience with my father and my clairvoyant gift informs how I live my life here and now, what I do with my here and now. For me it is not about some future experience after I die that is the focus, (but rather how this spirit knowledge Joni also knows firsthand and wished to share with others), has influenced me to live aligned with compassion-forgiveness-kindness and the path of peacemaking. I must sign off to you now as I have appointments, so I must ‘get on with it’ now, Giselle M. Massi
By Giselle Massi on 04/09/2008 11:10 am
Kay Weeks
Thanks, Giselle. Yes, here and now is IT. Your path sounds very Buddhist to be, although I think it is the labels (what are you? what am I? who cares, really) that get us into trouble. We stop communicating outward. You know? Kay
By Kay Weeks on 04/09/2008 3:48 pm
Marilyn Cazon
After we die, our spirit lives for a while in the hearts and minds of those we leave behind and then we disappear. There is not heaven, no resurrection, no second chance. This is it. And the fact that this is it, is what makes life an urgent wonder.
By Marilyn Cazon on 04/09/2008 11:12 am