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Conversation | 04/09/2008 12:00 am

What Happens to Us After We Die?

Ghost on a Roman Street: July 2007
© Joan Juliet Buck

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EDITOR’S NOTE: To listen in on this conversation, click the play button above. Also featuring special guest, Joni Evans, CEO of wowOwow. The following text has been edited for clarity.

JONI: So, William Buckley died and at the memorial his son Christopher told how his father was once asked what would be the right epitaph for him when he died. And — I believe his answer came from the Book of Job, or I read that it was — he said: “I know that my Redeemer liveth,” which is the perfect lead-in to: What do you think happens after we die?

LILY: Has anyone ever exhumed a human body, or are you just going beyond the corpus?

SHEILA: Do you mean it’s rotting, or it’s spiritual?

JONI: Well both. We can talk about exhuming a human body.

LILY: Well, if you want to.

JONI: Well, Lily, you just said that you did …

LILY: I did. I’m saying I have an inordinate interest in anatomy and physiological processes and things. So I know what happens to us physically. We deteriorate eventually. But I was raised Fundamentalist Baptist. What were you raised, Julia?

JULIA: Presbyterian. I just went to the Presbyterian church this morning like a good little Catholic.

LILY: You all may be more spiritual than I am.

SHEILA: I’m not at all. I was raised as a Communist Atheist by my parents.

JULIA: Well, I think being raised Baptist has made most of my Baptist friends become Communist Atheists.

LILY: Well maybe that’s kind of what I was leading to.

JONI: So, was there no religion or any kind of faith in your childhoods that led you to believe we might live on after this world?

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Ruth W
Regarding what happens to us when we die - well, I used to believe that life sucks, and then you die. Boom, you’re dead. Period. And I believed that most of my life, until the mid 90s, when some strange stuff started to happen. First, in the late 80s I suddenly, out of the blue, developed an interest in what I discovered was called Philosophy. I did a course - but the only one offered was one that, if I completed it, would gain me entry to university. Then in the early 90s I got the option to take voluntary redundancy; so I took that, and went to university. In my 3rd year, a friend and I went to visit another student - and she started talking about healing. I remember thinking: “Oh god, I thought she was normal!”! But she saw my face, got up, came behind me - and gave me some healing. And I felt it! I felt this weird heat. Then she showed me how to do it - and I could! Talk about feeling freaked out! Then she did it to the guy I was with, and showed him how to do it - and he could, too! Well, you can imagine our discussion home in the car afterwards - 2 very left-brained, very logical people who could not deny that something VERY weird had happened that evening! A few days later, by a strange coincidence (and I have learned since that there ARE no coincidences - it’s called “synchronicity” and boy, do I believe it now!), there was a Mind/Body/Spirit fair in my home city, so I went along. Well, this friend was there, spotted me, and paid for me to have 10 mins of healing. When she told me what she’d done, I didn’t like to say no, so went along. And felt that weird heat again! To cut a very long story short - I found out about a form of healing called Reiki, and did a course because I didn’t believe it could work. It did. Then it seemed like every book I was buying kept talking about Spirit and God! That freaked me, because I still didn’t believe in God. Then someone gave me “Through Time Into Healing”, which is about reincarnation - read it, THEN tell me it’s not possible! Then someone else gave me “Conversations with God” - and that book changed my life. It gave me a completely new way of looking at the world, and at my life. Since then, so many books and opportunities have come my way (including being signed off my work for 6 months with stress - which had the doctors wanting to put me on antidepressants, to ‘fix’ me so I could go back to work; luckily, I went with my gut feeling that I needed to look at what was going on, not stuff it back down) - and my life has been filled with the most incredible learning and experiences. Do I believe in “God” now? Absolutely. But NOT the “God” Christianity talks about. From everything I’ve experienced and read, religion is about control, conforming, believing that you can’t connect with God except through other human beings who tell you what you should believe. It just doesn’t make sense that there is an old man up in the clouds who is our “Father” (I’m sorry if this offends anyone); but that there is a loving, conscious ‘energy’ all around us and in everything, that “Love” is a positive, tangible force in the world, rather than a romantic emotion…? Yes. Absolutely. I could say so much more, and this is certainly long enough already! But really, it comes down to belief. And trust. All I can say is that the experiences I’ve had over the past 10 years have changed my life and yes, I DO believe that there are no accidents, there are no coincidences, and that we are here for a purpose, and that is to learn and grow and become more loving, compassionate human beings. I’ve seen too much in my own life that has made such perfect, LOGICAL sense! I’ve seen people’s lives transformed - I’ve seen my own life transformed! - and I’ve gradually found myself becoming a totally different person, through understanding this process in my life. It’s about conscious evolution of human beings as a species, and the only thing that stops us is our own fear of change. It’s about living CONSCIOUSLY, reclaiming our personal power. Yes, it can be scary. Yes, it is definitely a challenge. But when you live life this way, it totally transforms your experience.
By Ruth W on 04/09/2008 11:59 am
elaine s
I am not positive what I think about life after death. I was raised as Catholic. My Dad was a convert, probably as a gift to my Mom. My Dad died over 3 years ago. As he got older, I asked him what he thought about the hereafter. He said he believed he would become dust, and there probably wasn’t a heaven, but that he would live on as long as anyone remembered him. I somethimes dream and believe I am having a conversation with him. I don’t know if I am, or if I just want to, or if part of me is him. I do know that he wasn’t afraid of death. He was a wonderful man who is in many people’s hearts. He lives on.
By elaine s on 04/09/2008 12:27 pm
DM P
There is no death in the universe, only transformation. If all the energy that is spent by people worrying about their afterlife was spent on making life here and now a better place for everyone, many wonderful things could happen. We create our own and collective futures. Let’s build “heaven on earth” for everyone, rather than worrying about a heaven elsewhere.
By DM P on 04/09/2008 12:28 pm
Jozie Lee
Ditto, DMP. I’ve read all the comments here. Half way through I caught myself mentally composing a comment, then realized all the time and energy that went into this topic could have been spent living. (donning a sunbonnet) I’m off to do some weeding. Cheers.
By Jozie Lee on 04/09/2008 12:41 pm
Kay Weeks
Jozie, I love it. You made me laugh. Yes, I am going to sign off too. You know, we didn’t need nationally known women to kick this discussion off. I have it with people locally and with myself. Verdict. Live now. Weed, walk, write, draw…think.
By Kay Weeks on 04/09/2008 4:04 pm
theresa troy
Anytime I begin to have doubts about an afterlife and Catholicism,I recall what my philosophy professor lectured about faith: God created the animals with a limited intelligence. We are the highest on the scale of intelligent beings.Just as a dog cannot read,but is highly intelligent, we as humans cannot comprehend beyond a certain level. In other words, we must have faith in that which cannot be explained. How do we explain the world of computers to the average lay person? It is not a miraculous phenonomen? We accept it for what it is and give little thought to how it operates. Do we question its origin or where it is headed? Do we not have faith that it is and will continue to be one the most,if not the most, unbelieveable invention of our time? Therefore, I believe there is a heaven, even though I cannot begin to explain how it can be. I believe because of faith: believing without seeing or understanding. APRIL 9, 2008 1:35PM
By theresa troy on 04/09/2008 12:37 pm
John Lynch
What were we before we were born. Nothing. That is, in my opinion what it is after we die. we wil;l not exist. I am an atheist. I am not a commie or evil. Religion is a nice fiction to read but reality? I don’t think so.
By John Lynch on 04/09/2008 1:09 pm
Maizie James
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By Maizie James on 04/09/2008 1:10 pm
A.K.M. Mom of Five
What happens to us when we die is an age-old question, is it not? Everyone has their opinion or belief they may have been raised with or invent their own idea or concept of an after-life. Maria Shriver actually wrote a children’s book based on western culture traditional beliefs in going to heaven when you die. But, I base my belief system, not on a religion or a particular doctrine or church denomination, but on the bible. And when you actually read the bible completely through, from Genesis to Revelation, (which is fascinating if you’ve ever actually done that!)….I think it provides some answers that may not agree with the ‘go-to-heaven’ traditional theology that you find in our society. I believe, based on scripture alone, that when a person dies, their breath (ruach in hebrew) returns to God, who gives us our breath and gift of life. Our soul, defined by the old testament, actually means ‘living being’ and that is your fleshly body combined with this breath of life. When you take that last breath before you die, your soul ceasts to live or exist without your breath (or spirit). The bible also tells us that ‘the dead know nothing.’ We aren’t up floating around heaven without a body, looking down upon our loved ones that we left behind. Our bodies return to dust and the bible describes it as if we are ‘asleep.’ I think it’s similar to if you are unconscious during a surgery. You’re put to sleep and when you wake up from your surgery, you don’t remember anything that happened during that surgery. And, when Jesus, the Messiah, returns to the earth someday, those who have died will rise again. We will be awakened instantly, in the twinkling of an eye….to meet Jesus in the sky and escort him to earth where he will set up His Father’s Kingdom. I believe that the Kingdom of God is where our ‘afterlife’ begins and is the true basis for the Christian hope, if you read and study your bible for truth, not tradition. I don’t think Jesus ever preached about ‘going to heaven’ when you die. He preached about the Kingdom of God and how to inherit eternal life and how to inherit the earth (the land that was promised to Abraham). It’s not a question of going to heaven or hell when you die….it’s a question of, are you going to be eternally dead or eternally alive??? Go dust off your bible and start to question what you were raised with believing or what your church is teaching you or not teaching you. A great resource (if you want to go deeper into this…) is Greg Deuble’s book, “They Never Taught Me THIS in Church!” It’s worth questioning!!
By A.K.M. Mom of Five on 04/09/2008 1:13 pm
Patrick McDermott
I believe that, after we expire, we “go” wherever we were before birth. If you have memories of that particular period, then I’d say you have something to look forward to after you leave your present life. For me, try as I might, I remember little or nothing about the time before I took my first breath.
By Patrick McDermott on 04/09/2008 1:13 pm
eastman gal
How do I answer the question of the day if I want to add my view?
By eastman gal on 04/09/2008 1:20 pm
John Lynch
Can anyoe tell me where the Hindus and muslims go when they die if they do not see J.C as there lord and savior?
By John Lynch on 04/09/2008 1:21 pm
Jean Bean
John Lynch, the first thing you do if you want to communicate to other English-speaking people your ideas is to master spelling and the English language. It gives a good impression of your capabilities.
By Jean Bean on 04/09/2008 1:35 pm
The Ole Crone The Ole Crone
Jean Bean Methinks it’s about ideas, not spellin’. Gawd gawd if we judged a folk by their spellin’ we’d have had no Leonardo and a whole slew of thinkers, who produced. Ya can always get a secretary to spell for ya. Need a job?
By The Ole Crone The Ole Crone on 04/09/2008 2:37 pm
Kay Sara
Jean Bean, the older I get the more I realize we should not live our life to “impress” others. Quite liberating. Content to me is more important than the wrappings - although I do enjoy looking at a beautiful package, that gets thrown away and the content is kept. Sincerely, Ms. Typo
By Kay Sara on 04/14/2008 12:46 pm