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Conversation | 06/06/2008 6:26 pm

Liz Smith on Hillary: 'A Lot of Obama's Supporters Would Just Die if He Chose Her'

© AP

Editor’s Note: Sen. Clinton announced this week that she is going to give her support to Sen. Obama and give up the race. What happens to the vice presidency now? Who do you think Obama will choose? Do you think he, in order to unite the party, will choose Hillary as his running mate? These are the questions we posed to Liz, Mary, Judith and Jane.

LIZ: I just had lunch with one of Hillary’s backers, a person who is an aide to Hillary. And she says that she always encouraged her to try and get the vice-presidential slot if she couldn’t win the presidency. But now she feels that Obama probably won’t offer it, because they really don’t want her. They just want her to campaign for him, but they don’t want her to be vice president. Imagine the baggage she would have as the vice president – she and Bill. The vice president doesn’t have very much to do – just serves at the will of the president; presides over the Senate. And, while it’s the second most important job, it’s kind of a nothing job. It’s a strange thing.

MARY: But the current vice president has been very powerful.

JUDITH: You haven’t pointed out that it’s second in line to the presidency.

LIZ: That’s right. That’s the advantage.

JUDITH: I think she should go for a good job. She’s got a bargaining position, and the Supreme Court would be ideal for her. But when Sen. Obama gave his victory speech, it sounded suspiciously like he might offer her something terrible, like being head of H.H.S.[Dept. of Health and Human Services].

LIZ: This person, the one who’s her aide, doesn’t believe she would want to be in the cabinet.

JUDITH: I would think not, especially H.H.S., which is such a difficult position.

LIZ: Well, I think she’d make a dandy secretary of state. I can see her traveling around the world to restore the reputation of this country, at the will of her president. Or, she can remain the senator of New York and bide her time and see what happens. My friend believes that whatever her faults were in this campaign should be blamed on Mark Penn who refused to set up any kind of grassroots thing for her and didn’t use the Internet properly. So Obama took all of that away from them. Most of Hillary’s people now really blame this guy. And for all of her faults in the campaign, she remains a very dedicated and capable and driven kind of person. And we’ve got to remember — 18 million Americans wanted her for president.

Look at Hillary’s enormous support among these older, uneducated women in America, and how marginalized they are by everybody else – like they don’t count. And she really made them count. And I don’t think there’s any way they can vanquish her. I think she’ll come back in one way or another. And Obama’s not ignoring that. He’ll do something, I think. He’ll offer her something – maybe something she really wants.

JUDITH: The things on her list of what she wants were on the domestic side — not on the foreign affairs side. What would be more powerful than the Supreme Court?

LIZ: I don’t know, though. I feel, Judith, it’s too sort of sedentary for her.

JUDITH: Really?

MARY: Don’t you have to have some legal background?

JUDITH: You don’t have to have been a judge, no. You have to be a lawyer, which she is.

LIZ: She’s a good lawyer.

JUDITH: Yes, she’s a lawyer. And if she wants to advance those issues, which were all domestic issues, I would think that that would be the place. And it’s a much better job than being president, much less vice president.

LIZ: Well what do you think, Mary?

1157 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Marjorie C.
Good discussion. Thank you. Hillary as V.P.? No. I don’t think she has the temperament for it, plus she would upstage him big time. However, she is a talent that should not be wasted. If the Democrats have no use for her, she should shop around. An unlikely/outrageous pairing would be McCain/Clinton. I think McCain would treat her kinder and with more respect.
By Marjorie C. on 06/06/2008 7:05 am
Buh- Bye
Marjorie I suggest you read Woodward’s biography on her if you think she doesn’t have the temperament for it. She does. She wants to play in the sandbox and even though she knows she is far better equipped for the job that Howard Dean handed Obama, she plays nice when she has to. Remember, Obama is the one who snubbed her when she leaned across to shake the hand of the Senator (Kennedy) who had just endorsed her opponent. I still think she should take her 18 million votes and run as an Independent. I’d love to see her kick his ass in the general taking the true Democratic states! Obama totally divided our party. We were 100% united going into this election. He could’ve waited 8 yrs and then we would have had a female president and an Af/Am president and held the White House for 16 yrs. Now… he’ll most likely lose to McCain. And IF by some more slight of hand and vote messing around (which state will be next - we’ve had Florida, Ohio and Michigan so far) and he gets the position, he’ll lose it in 4 yrs. Lack of experience in Washington and on the world stage.
By Buh- Bye on 06/06/2008 10:59 am
To the beach ~~~
The final popular vote count was Obama 17,535,458 48.1%, Clinton 17,493,836 48.0%. Obama had the delegates by a substantial margin, and all the Senate. This was Hillary’s race to lose and she lost it. He will win the election against McCain in a rout. She should be offered Sec of State. VP would be a big time mistake that would be a constant distraction and undermine Obama. As President Carter said: “I think it would be the worst mistake that could be made,” said Carter. “That would just accumulate the negative aspects of both candidates.” We need change not more of the past.
By To the beach ~~~ on 06/06/2008 12:41 pm
Buh- Bye
Clinton leads the popular vote 17,873,000 to Obama’s 17,703,000 (and that includes the caucuses) when Obama isn’t GIVEN her delegates from Michigan.
By Buh- Bye on 06/06/2008 5:18 pm
To the beach ~~~
HILLARY keeps stating that she has more popular votes, however numerous media sources claim otherwise: The Washington Post has stated that “Real Clear Politics” is the must read for political wonks in keeping thing accurate and up to date. It shows that Obama led in the popular vote, despite Hillary’s claim others, AND her claim that she won more votes than in any presidential race ever—also applies to them both, obviously, and because of Obama’s stunning organization that has, and will continue to for the next 6 months, register more new voters in his national voter reg campaign: Here’s Real Clear Politics: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_c… http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/02/AR200806 http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/06/final-popular-vote-estimates-obam… The Boston Globe: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/05/peter_canellos_cha… Baltimore Sun: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-clinton0602,0,3643563.story Fox News: http://www.newshounds.us/2008/06/04/fox_news_declares_hillary_clinton_wi… The London Globe and Mail http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/GAM.20080602.PRIMARY02/TPSt… The fact is IF this were a real story it would be on all of the Networks, Cable News, blogs—-it isn’t…despite HRC’s ad to the contrary.
By To the beach ~~~ on 06/06/2008 7:09 pm
Renata
Manipulating her supporters and the rules/nos. to deligitimize the Nomination Process — w/out accepting ANY responsibility for what she could have done better and blaming anyone/everyone and Barack for her loss — is WHY HRC will not be offered the VP slot. Young people can see through this and they don’t respect this kind of “leadership” any longer. They are correct.
By Renata on 06/07/2008 9:49 am
Alessan O
Obama will choose who his advisors on the committee tell him to. The people have no say in the chose of the VP. If people don’t vote for the candidate or the party because of a VP choice then they are just crazy and probably had no intention of voting for either the candidate or the party in the first place.
By Alessan O on 06/09/2008 1:21 pm
Buh- Bye
Look, even CNN, which was exceedingly pro-Obama, reported just today (Sat - the day she steps down) that Hillary won the popular vote and Obama got in through Super Delegate votes.
By Buh- Bye on 06/07/2008 11:32 am
To the beach ~~~
I often wonder about infotainment ‘news’ on some of the cable networks. Realclearpolitics.com is a respected data base that is multiple sourced, and is used by news organizations as a place for facts. I’ll stick with them as a main source and they have Obama ahead on popular votes.
By To the beach ~~~ on 06/07/2008 12:48 pm
Renata
French Heart - the legacy of HRC’s Campaign and final case over the last month she KNEW she was losing - was to leave TALKING POINTS that are as baseless and flawed and disengenous as the Bosnia-sniper fire delusions we STILL can’t believe in New York. We KNOW something about being under ATTACK in Manhattan and it isn’t something you EVER FORGET — and have more respect for the dead than to leverage their loss and their families’ loss w/LIES for political gain. HRC’s supporters — especially those who are now backing McCain — were her focus during the last month or two. She created a NARRATIVE they will buy hook, line and sinker. It’s a nice story (Bill now knows what the real “fairy tale” is). Hillary was running to prove a woman can run — and did whatever it took to make that case, including lying. Barack was running for the Presidency — to begin repairing the DAMAGE of the last 7 years — for ALL Americans. He won the MAJORITY VOTE and will do so again, this Fall. Americans are PATRIOTS, not petulant hair-tearing cry-babies.
By Renata on 06/07/2008 2:13 pm
To the beach ~~~
Renata—See Huffingtonpost for the 50-state strategy of Dean-Obama. I love bold thinkers that reconstitute stagnate things-and while all the lack of imagination naysaysers whine about why things can’t be done.
By To the beach ~~~ on 06/09/2008 7:42 am
no longer a fan
Nice … I guess you just expect Obama to be civil. Comments like these just encourage me to stay home. If your leader can’t “inspire” you to be a better citizen than nothing will change.
By no longer a fan on 06/09/2008 12:42 pm
To the beach ~~~
Mrs. Clinton once had a big lead among the party elders, but has been steadily losing it, in large part because of her negative campaign. If she is ever to have a hope of persuading these most loyal of Democrats to come back to her side, let alone win over the larger body of voters, she has to call off the dogs.” Ny Time Editorial “Low Road to Victory” http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/opinion/23wed1.html?ref=opinion
By To the beach ~~~ on 06/09/2008 1:45 pm
Marjorie C.
D Loe: The beach and Renata are spamming and jamming. They’re not talking to anyone. They have an arsenal of cut and paste rants that they’ll spew out until all reasonable conversation is killed. Then they’ll move on to another site.
By Marjorie C. on 06/09/2008 2:13 pm
sibelle daubigne
Marjorie, unfortunately that is what the beach (lol) and Renata are doing! They totally miss the point on Feminine Energy to Heal the World’s Spiritual Problems. Nice to see your picture.
By sibelle daubigne on 06/10/2008 10:49 am