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Conversation | 06/06/2008 6:26 pm

Liz Smith on Hillary: 'A Lot of Obama's Supporters Would Just Die if He Chose Her'

© AP

Editor’s Note: Sen. Clinton announced this week that she is going to give her support to Sen. Obama and give up the race. What happens to the vice presidency now? Who do you think Obama will choose? Do you think he, in order to unite the party, will choose Hillary as his running mate? These are the questions we posed to Liz, Mary, Judith and Jane.

LIZ: I just had lunch with one of Hillary’s backers, a person who is an aide to Hillary. And she says that she always encouraged her to try and get the vice-presidential slot if she couldn’t win the presidency. But now she feels that Obama probably won’t offer it, because they really don’t want her. They just want her to campaign for him, but they don’t want her to be vice president. Imagine the baggage she would have as the vice president – she and Bill. The vice president doesn’t have very much to do – just serves at the will of the president; presides over the Senate. And, while it’s the second most important job, it’s kind of a nothing job. It’s a strange thing.

MARY: But the current vice president has been very powerful.

JUDITH: You haven’t pointed out that it’s second in line to the presidency.

LIZ: That’s right. That’s the advantage.

JUDITH: I think she should go for a good job. She’s got a bargaining position, and the Supreme Court would be ideal for her. But when Sen. Obama gave his victory speech, it sounded suspiciously like he might offer her something terrible, like being head of H.H.S.[Dept. of Health and Human Services].

LIZ: This person, the one who’s her aide, doesn’t believe she would want to be in the cabinet.

JUDITH: I would think not, especially H.H.S., which is such a difficult position.

LIZ: Well, I think she’d make a dandy secretary of state. I can see her traveling around the world to restore the reputation of this country, at the will of her president. Or, she can remain the senator of New York and bide her time and see what happens. My friend believes that whatever her faults were in this campaign should be blamed on Mark Penn who refused to set up any kind of grassroots thing for her and didn’t use the Internet properly. So Obama took all of that away from them. Most of Hillary’s people now really blame this guy. And for all of her faults in the campaign, she remains a very dedicated and capable and driven kind of person. And we’ve got to remember — 18 million Americans wanted her for president.

Look at Hillary’s enormous support among these older, uneducated women in America, and how marginalized they are by everybody else – like they don’t count. And she really made them count. And I don’t think there’s any way they can vanquish her. I think she’ll come back in one way or another. And Obama’s not ignoring that. He’ll do something, I think. He’ll offer her something – maybe something she really wants.

JUDITH: The things on her list of what she wants were on the domestic side — not on the foreign affairs side. What would be more powerful than the Supreme Court?

LIZ: I don’t know, though. I feel, Judith, it’s too sort of sedentary for her.

JUDITH: Really?

MARY: Don’t you have to have some legal background?

JUDITH: You don’t have to have been a judge, no. You have to be a lawyer, which she is.

LIZ: She’s a good lawyer.

JUDITH: Yes, she’s a lawyer. And if she wants to advance those issues, which were all domestic issues, I would think that that would be the place. And it’s a much better job than being president, much less vice president.

LIZ: Well what do you think, Mary?

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Meg Robinson
For the first time in my life, I will register as something other than a Dem. So, I can’t vote in a primary, the Dems didn’t care about my vote anyway.
By Meg Robinson on 06/06/2008 11:01 am
E .
Meg - I left the Democratic Party after more than 2 decades in response to the committee resolution to the Florida and Michigan primary debacles. Over the years I stood by and had several issues with the way the party conducted business but I held firm to the belief that ultimately the party operated from a place of intelligence and integrity. I was blown away when votes cast for one candidate were taken away and gifted to her opponent. That those delegates would still not have achieved the nomination for her is beside the point. That the votes cast by individual citizens were recast by committee, in opposition to the intent of those citizens was disgraceful, that was the tipping point for me. No I can not vote in the Democratic primaries anymore - after this year that will be liberating.
By E . on 06/06/2008 11:36 am
Buh- Bye
Me too Meg. I checked it out yesterday. Looking at the steps I had to take to change party affiliation. I too am leaving the Democratic Party after what they did with the Michigan/Florida situation. The steps to change are different for every state apparently, so google your state. Many states do allow Independents to vote in the primaries, and sometimes only one party allows Independents to vote. The very thought that the Democratic party would not honor a vote and a states’ delegates - even at the outset of their primaries - is unthinkable to me. This b.s. about dates and schedules ruling the validity of votes is destructive. Republicans pulled it in the Gore/Bush election and the Democrats cried foul. Now the DNC pulled it in the primary and all the Obama supporters acted like Republicans, spouting rules and dates, and saying a revote was not necessary, even though there was private funding available to hold one. Unthinkable! The true Democrats cried foul again. Stinks, stinks, stinks to high heaven. It’s dirty tricks and it stinks!
By Buh- Bye on 06/06/2008 12:04 pm
Lorraine Bates
First, let me say, I agree that what happened to Florida and Michigan stinks. But you seem to be forgetting that HRC AGREED TO THE RULES before they voted. Here’s a quote about Michigan - see if you remember this change of heart: “I personally did not think it made any difference whether my name was on the ballot. You know, It’s clear this election they are having is not going to count for anything.” Hillary Clinton, before the MI primary “I have consistently said that the votes cast in Florida and Michigan in January should be counted. ” Hillary Clinton, after the MI primary
By Lorraine Bates on 06/06/2008 2:42 pm
sanders c
I frankly don’t care about Hillary’s or Obama’s ego/power needs when it comes to their possible working relationship. They’re both grown-ups and hopefully mature enough to get along. They agree on the issues. I’m just in love with the idea of all that collective brain power and energy in one administration. And of course, the idea of seeing both an African-American and a woman being sworn in on a cold day in January is thrilling. Obama has star quality and ran the first truly modern internet campaign. Hillary campaigned like it was 1998. Both are exceptional people. And I don’t think that Bill Clinton needs to be marginalized. He’s a smart guy and we should stop asking him to always leave the room.
By sanders c on 06/06/2008 11:06 am
Buh- Bye
sanders I agree 100% with every single thing you said! I suddenly had that image of the swearing in, in my head… phenomenal image. historic. An ex-prez, an ex-First Lady, a woman VP, an Af/Am P. That would be a photo for the history books. Quite a shakeup after the Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld/Rove/Libby/Rice yrs.
By Buh- Bye on 06/06/2008 12:12 pm
Frannie Em
Frank Where are you buddy? Come on, this is just your kind of thread. What do you think. I am sitting here reading and I have to review the expense reports and straighten out the insurance on some of our commercial accounts. yikes, wondering what you are thinking. Aloha
By Frannie Em on 06/06/2008 4:14 pm
Amelie Poulain
Frank is gone gone gone. check out the garbage written in response to the fact that his comment was chosen and highlighted by the bosses. He’s been scared away by the loud mouthed shnooks!
By Amelie Poulain on 06/06/2008 7:06 pm
Mugsy Peabody
Jackie Oh Oh, you as usual don’t know what you’re talking about, and are shooting off your mouth anyway. Frank isn’t scared away; I’m not a loud-mouthed shnook (which by the way, you misspelled) and your bullshit is worth reading because….???????
By Mugsy Peabody on 06/07/2008 3:12 pm
To the beach ~~~
JackieOhOh-You are one of the reasonable people, please don’t go away.
By To the beach ~~~ on 06/08/2008 9:40 pm
Lynn Summers
The only way she will be chosen as Obama’s running mate is if the Democratic party is seriously worried about losing to McCain. And if Obama wins with Clinton on the ticket, my gut is that he’ll have little use for her after he’s in office. That’s a serious waste of her experience. Personally, I think the position of VP to Obama is beneath Clinton. I have a hunch Obama’s going to make a mess out of things if he’s in office. If that happens he won’t be impeached [because no one will want to be called racist], so there would be no chance for Clinton to step up to the plate. A pity we can’t trash this stupid party system and let the best person win. No superdelegates……no mudslinging. A government for the people……what a novel thought!
By Lynn Summers on 06/06/2008 11:22 am
Brooklyn Gal
Lynn, If Obama “makes a mess” as you say, we might never see another Dem in the White House for decades. Some say Obama is the smart one because he ran a good campaign. Well, so did Carter and he did not turn out to be a great president. Obama choices for the cabinet and advisors are going to define his presidency. Too liberal, then the backlash will come in the mid-term elections with more Republicans winning congressional seats.
By Brooklyn Gal on 06/06/2008 11:58 am
kat
I would not want to see Hillary as Barak’s Vice Presidential choice. If she is not offered the position then perhaps, she would entertain a cabinet position. We will have to wait and see what slot the democratic party has in mind for her, as this is truly not obama’s total decision.
By kat on 06/06/2008 11:24 am
Star Lawrence
She could wave his sign in Macy’s window—I would not vote for this man. As for VP, if she took the job under this person, I would never ever vote for her again, not even to pick up the little strays in my neighborhood. But then, you people knew I would say that.
By Star Lawrence on 06/06/2008 11:29 am
sibelle daubigne
Star, Are you going to stay home if Obama gets elected? Just curious!
By sibelle daubigne on 06/06/2008 11:40 am