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Conversation | 06/06/2008 6:26 pm

Liz Smith on Hillary: 'A Lot of Obama's Supporters Would Just Die if He Chose Her'

© AP

Editor’s Note: Sen. Clinton announced this week that she is going to give her support to Sen. Obama and give up the race. What happens to the vice presidency now? Who do you think Obama will choose? Do you think he, in order to unite the party, will choose Hillary as his running mate? These are the questions we posed to Liz, Mary, Judith and Jane.

LIZ: I just had lunch with one of Hillary’s backers, a person who is an aide to Hillary. And she says that she always encouraged her to try and get the vice-presidential slot if she couldn’t win the presidency. But now she feels that Obama probably won’t offer it, because they really don’t want her. They just want her to campaign for him, but they don’t want her to be vice president. Imagine the baggage she would have as the vice president – she and Bill. The vice president doesn’t have very much to do – just serves at the will of the president; presides over the Senate. And, while it’s the second most important job, it’s kind of a nothing job. It’s a strange thing.

MARY: But the current vice president has been very powerful.

JUDITH: You haven’t pointed out that it’s second in line to the presidency.

LIZ: That’s right. That’s the advantage.

JUDITH: I think she should go for a good job. She’s got a bargaining position, and the Supreme Court would be ideal for her. But when Sen. Obama gave his victory speech, it sounded suspiciously like he might offer her something terrible, like being head of H.H.S.[Dept. of Health and Human Services].

LIZ: This person, the one who’s her aide, doesn’t believe she would want to be in the cabinet.

JUDITH: I would think not, especially H.H.S., which is such a difficult position.

LIZ: Well, I think she’d make a dandy secretary of state. I can see her traveling around the world to restore the reputation of this country, at the will of her president. Or, she can remain the senator of New York and bide her time and see what happens. My friend believes that whatever her faults were in this campaign should be blamed on Mark Penn who refused to set up any kind of grassroots thing for her and didn’t use the Internet properly. So Obama took all of that away from them. Most of Hillary’s people now really blame this guy. And for all of her faults in the campaign, she remains a very dedicated and capable and driven kind of person. And we’ve got to remember — 18 million Americans wanted her for president.

Look at Hillary’s enormous support among these older, uneducated women in America, and how marginalized they are by everybody else – like they don’t count. And she really made them count. And I don’t think there’s any way they can vanquish her. I think she’ll come back in one way or another. And Obama’s not ignoring that. He’ll do something, I think. He’ll offer her something – maybe something she really wants.

JUDITH: The things on her list of what she wants were on the domestic side — not on the foreign affairs side. What would be more powerful than the Supreme Court?

LIZ: I don’t know, though. I feel, Judith, it’s too sort of sedentary for her.

JUDITH: Really?

MARY: Don’t you have to have some legal background?

JUDITH: You don’t have to have been a judge, no. You have to be a lawyer, which she is.

LIZ: She’s a good lawyer.

JUDITH: Yes, she’s a lawyer. And if she wants to advance those issues, which were all domestic issues, I would think that that would be the place. And it’s a much better job than being president, much less vice president.

LIZ: Well what do you think, Mary?

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Renata
Jackie - I had to work on Charlie Rangel and local pols to run Hillary out of town — since Tuesday night! As you see, we were successfull in REAL TIME! John McCain - next!
By Renata on 06/07/2008 6:04 pm
wild heather
No doubt you had old Charlie quaking in his boots.
By wild heather on 06/10/2008 3:25 am
Bonnie Oliver
What happened? I must have missed something. And Jackie OhOh, will you identify your gender, please.
By Bonnie Oliver on 06/06/2008 4:35 pm
Brooklyn Gal
Bonnie, I missed it too. I did not see any Mugsy/Frank fights. Go a couple of pages back to read Jackie’s definition of rape.
By Brooklyn Gal on 06/06/2008 5:15 pm
Bonnie Oliver
Carol L - I did read an earlier comment from Jackie OhOh and ‘she’ claims to be female. Lets just take her at her word and keep our suspicions active. Any woman who makes reference to hormone deficiency in women or refers to rape in any other context than horror is sadly lacking in compassion or is a male.
By Bonnie Oliver on 06/06/2008 6:16 pm
Star Lawrence
I don’t know if this is Renata Oh Oh or a new Obama commenter—I am seeing fewer caps than the previous used. Anyhow, whoever it is, I do have to say I am wondering if people have to declare gender… We could all be 13-yr-old boys…
By Star Lawrence on 06/06/2008 6:30 pm
Bonnie Oliver
Sorry Star. You are correct. I apologize for the question but it was asked without any underlining motive.
By Bonnie Oliver on 06/06/2008 8:58 pm
Frannie Em
Star My fifteen year old son saw me blogging and he said who are the other people on that site? I told him women from all over the country and the world. He laughed and said, don’t you know mom, that they say everyone on the internet is a 14 year old boy. LOL
By Frannie Em on 06/07/2008 2:38 am
Buh- Bye
yes, it’s the giveaway
By Buh- Bye on 06/06/2008 6:59 pm
~ countrywoman ~
it’s the giveaway” Funny how that works, M Alias. I am reminded of your suggestion in another discussion that we should eat your shorts. (“Bite me” might have been just as effective, but less telling, don’t you think?) Then there are slightly shaded references like “limp choices,” and the attempts to bully and dominate with “opinions.” Then again, maybe we are all just 13 year-old boys as Star opined earlier?
By ~ countrywoman ~ on 06/07/2008 3:08 am
Buh- Bye
so you are another moveon.org operative countrywoman? I said moveon.org could eat my shorts. I didn’t aim that remark at any specific person. And they can eat my shorts. Talk about a bullying organization. whatever countrywoman. I don’t really give a hoot about what you care to infer about my gender. I think my posts pretty well speak for themselves over the last month or so. whether or not I use words like limp, or eat my shorts. I find that women tend not to make disparaging comments about rape or whatever the issue was that people were debating. We don’t think it is something that is casually dismissed. I have never known a woman to casually dismiss rape. That is a dead giveaway to me. I do think women routinely disparage other women however. And it is unfortunate thing when they disparage strong, accomplished women for merely being that. I find my own mother tends to do that. Quick to say nasty things about strong women. It’s a deep-seated internalized sexism and self hatred IMHO. When women disparage accomplished women for their strengths, I usually have an immediate knee jerk reaction to the disparager. They are either power hoarders or weak and subservient. I support Hillary 100%, even now, after she has suspended her campaign.
By Buh- Bye on 06/07/2008 12:49 pm
Amelie Poulain
Once again. it was not my definition of rape. Those are your words, Mister.
By Amelie Poulain on 06/06/2008 7:52 pm
Mugsy Peabody
Carol L. There was no Mugsy/Frank fight. There are a bunch of uninformed ill-advised comments about what I did say. The people who run this website on the same day decided to run an article about Roman Polansky who admittedly raped a 13-year-old girl; there was a reader who defended that by saying the girl “said she didn’t mind”; and a man was chosen to speak for women over 40 regarding an end to the historic, brave campaign of Sen. Clinton for the candidacy of her party. As a life-long feminist, I said, and I mean, that regardless of whether Frank is a good ole boy, and he is, and whether or not women like him, and they clearly do, he is not a woman over 40, and he does not speak for me, no matter what he says. I speak for me. No one else does. The young woman who was 13 at the time in the Polanski affair, was not of age to make an informed decision as to having sex with a 40 year old man, and he fled the country rather than face charges. Regardless of how you feel about his movies, he should not be what the wOw people hold forward for us to find of interest. There are at least 150,000,000 women in the United States, and certainly at least one of them is of more interest to us than a spoiled, rich, jet-setting male child molester. Frank said not to tell him he doesn’t “get” sexism. Of course I told him, he doesn’t “get sexism. He has never been raped, I suspect. He doesn’t get paid 30% less because he doesn’t have a dick. His fine wife Anne supposedly never beat him. If she had, the police purportedly never ignored her beating as “a family affair.” Shall I go on? The fight isn’t about Frank. But Frank did use it as a means to get even more attention and sympathy than he already has from the women on this site. I had lots of things I would rather do than read more unkind, ignorant ranting against Sen. Clinton for whom we as women should only have gratitude for the wonderful way she has moved feminism forward in the early part of this century. Such as helping her raise money to pay her campaign debts. If you want a definition of rape, get one from a women who has been through it. It has nothing at all to do with sex and everything to do with power.
By Mugsy Peabody on 06/06/2008 8:43 pm
Elisabeth S
Here, here Mugsy; you got it just right. Well said!!
By Elisabeth S on 06/06/2008 8:59 pm
Bonnie Oliver
Thanks Mugsy. By my inquiry I did not mean to stir up a subject already discussed. I did not participate in either of those discussions and was unaware of the conversational exchanges. Glad all is okay. Even though I could not vote for Senator Clinton in the primary being sent a Republican ballot, I do feel the let-down of some of her supporters. And, I too, have some feelings of regret that we probably will not see a female President in the foreseeable future.
By Bonnie Oliver on 06/06/2008 9:23 pm