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Conversation | 06/06/2008 6:26 pm

Liz Smith on Hillary: 'A Lot of Obama's Supporters Would Just Die if He Chose Her'

© AP

Editor’s Note: Sen. Clinton announced this week that she is going to give her support to Sen. Obama and give up the race. What happens to the vice presidency now? Who do you think Obama will choose? Do you think he, in order to unite the party, will choose Hillary as his running mate? These are the questions we posed to Liz, Mary, Judith and Jane.

LIZ: I just had lunch with one of Hillary’s backers, a person who is an aide to Hillary. And she says that she always encouraged her to try and get the vice-presidential slot if she couldn’t win the presidency. But now she feels that Obama probably won’t offer it, because they really don’t want her. They just want her to campaign for him, but they don’t want her to be vice president. Imagine the baggage she would have as the vice president – she and Bill. The vice president doesn’t have very much to do – just serves at the will of the president; presides over the Senate. And, while it’s the second most important job, it’s kind of a nothing job. It’s a strange thing.

MARY: But the current vice president has been very powerful.

JUDITH: You haven’t pointed out that it’s second in line to the presidency.

LIZ: That’s right. That’s the advantage.

JUDITH: I think she should go for a good job. She’s got a bargaining position, and the Supreme Court would be ideal for her. But when Sen. Obama gave his victory speech, it sounded suspiciously like he might offer her something terrible, like being head of H.H.S.[Dept. of Health and Human Services].

LIZ: This person, the one who’s her aide, doesn’t believe she would want to be in the cabinet.

JUDITH: I would think not, especially H.H.S., which is such a difficult position.

LIZ: Well, I think she’d make a dandy secretary of state. I can see her traveling around the world to restore the reputation of this country, at the will of her president. Or, she can remain the senator of New York and bide her time and see what happens. My friend believes that whatever her faults were in this campaign should be blamed on Mark Penn who refused to set up any kind of grassroots thing for her and didn’t use the Internet properly. So Obama took all of that away from them. Most of Hillary’s people now really blame this guy. And for all of her faults in the campaign, she remains a very dedicated and capable and driven kind of person. And we’ve got to remember — 18 million Americans wanted her for president.

Look at Hillary’s enormous support among these older, uneducated women in America, and how marginalized they are by everybody else – like they don’t count. And she really made them count. And I don’t think there’s any way they can vanquish her. I think she’ll come back in one way or another. And Obama’s not ignoring that. He’ll do something, I think. He’ll offer her something – maybe something she really wants.

JUDITH: The things on her list of what she wants were on the domestic side — not on the foreign affairs side. What would be more powerful than the Supreme Court?

LIZ: I don’t know, though. I feel, Judith, it’s too sort of sedentary for her.

JUDITH: Really?

MARY: Don’t you have to have some legal background?

JUDITH: You don’t have to have been a judge, no. You have to be a lawyer, which she is.

LIZ: She’s a good lawyer.

JUDITH: Yes, she’s a lawyer. And if she wants to advance those issues, which were all domestic issues, I would think that that would be the place. And it’s a much better job than being president, much less vice president.

LIZ: Well what do you think, Mary?

1157 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Deni G
Okay Deni, I am going to start emailing the networks and tell them that you said they better get their act together or we’re going to hit them in the face with pie. You are sooo funny! OTF laughin!!!
By Deni G on 06/07/2008 7:29 pm
Elizabeth Bennett
An excellent reason to watch it on CSPAN.
By Elizabeth Bennett on 06/07/2008 1:50 pm
Renata
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/06/angry-clinton-supporters_n_1056… Hillary Clinton Voters Prepare to Vote for John McCain ======================================== Democrats, here is the real HRC constituency and focus. This will a) cost her ANY consideration for the VP slot - if there is any going on, b) COST HER THE NY SENATE SEAT. HRC has provided the foundation talking points AGAINST Senator Obama and no speech today changes that fact. It is the thread in the weave of the Republican pundits and FoxNews right now. Enjoy your vacation Hillary. Leave from DC. Sooner or later you will have to return to New York…and I don’t mean Upstate.
By Renata on 06/07/2008 1:45 pm
K O
Renata, with all due respect, if your intention is to represent the candidate who seeks to unite the Democratic party, the effect you are producing is just the opposite. You are combative, strident, and frankly make me think that if yours is the representative voice of the Obama administration, I fell like I’m in for four years of being shouted down. If, on the other hand, you are a “plant” for the McCain candidacy, you are doing a superb job.
By K O on 06/07/2008 1:54 pm
Star Lawrence
I cannot tell a lie—I laughed. But don’t attack me—I am diatribed-out for today. Let me catch my wind.
By Star Lawrence on 06/07/2008 2:14 pm
Bonnie Oliver
Please PLEASE don’t let Renata be a plant for the GOP. We don’t want her. Sorry, Renata. You are a vigorous supporter of Senator Obama but even I have to chime in and say some of your diatribes against Senator Clinton are over the top.
By Bonnie Oliver on 06/07/2008 4:53 pm
sibelle daubigne
That woman Renata is just gross and we should just roll down over her and ignore her. She is a wounded child who needs attention and some people never grow up!
By sibelle daubigne on 06/07/2008 7:25 pm
To the beach ~~~
I don’t think Renata is ‘gross” she is very intelligent, articulate, extremely knowledgeable and is fed up with politics as usual, and HRC represents politics as usual. Congressional approval rating 17%. Even Rupert Murdock in an interview said that 80% of the people are hurting financially and angry as hell at the entrenched politicians. I think that many incumbents are in for a surprise. And people trying to control the messages here rather than just skip over them are worse. Free Speech? Remember that? She is saying what a lot of people think of HRC—-whether people like to hear it or not. I don’t like the things said about Obama by many on this site…but that’s the way it goes.
By To the beach ~~~ on 06/08/2008 4:31 am
Renata
Kitty - It is my intent to remember the history not NY-PR spun speeches. It is my intent to hold Hillary Clinton accountable for her conduct going forward — and make sure the Junior Senator from New York remembers WHO she represents, and it isn’t “hard working…very hard working, white Americans” in Appalachia. She would not have had a platform for her ambitions if WE did not vote for her. WE did not vote for the woman we have seen since February. The Junior Senator from NY has cost precious time, validated John McCain over the Democratic Nominee, balkanized women and asked them to stick w/her in some kind of perverse solidarity and selling their interests down the river in the process. The New York Democratic Delegation did NOT throw themselves on the train tracks for Clinton Inc. — after Tuesday night. We put TREMENDOUS pressure on them to STOP this train wreck to derail the Democrats from winning this Fall — if it isn’t HRC. Some of us have seen the Clintons up close in NY and their pivot after February. We know what to expect and we know the speech and the “long goodbye” Shakesperean DRAMA. We didn’t vote for a VICTIM as Junior Senator and should have listened to the august Sen. Moynihan. HRC has incited her “followers” to vote FOR McCain. I have no respect for this. I will not tolerate this from a sitting New York Senator who is supposed to representing MY interests. She does NOT represent ALL women and I resent her proffering this as fact. And, she should write a check and pay HER BILLS to small vendors from the BILLION DOLLARS she/Bill have amazingly amassed cumulatively across their interests — while she was a sitting Senator from New York. In short — New Yorkers are more sophisticated media/information consumers than Hillary/Bill would like. There is MUCH we have learned we did not know, including about their amassed wealth — while she was supposed to be representing OUR interests and voting for the Iraq War when we did not want her to. Some New Yorkers would like to know more about the confluence between that vote and Bills DEALS. That is our right — and we intend to follow through. Unity is her JOB because it is what New Yorkers want. It is what the Democratic Party who sponsored her Senate run wants. Unity doesn’t equal we don’t hold our representatives accountable in the same way every other American and State/City does. We put our interests on hold and sponsored HRC’s Presidential run, when she told us she would not. She has run - past tense. Time for New Yorkers to caucus and PREVENT any further destablization of the Democratic Nominee from ANY quarter - and most especially, ours. We won’t be FOOLED again. There is too much at stake. If HRC proves us wrong - great. If she has good intentions to honor her speech - great. If she doesn’t, and we will be watching closely in NY — then, we will STOP HER IN HER TRACKS and shut her down faster than we did after Tuesday nights pity-party, this week. Nothing personal. As the woman herself said…”if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.” If HRC wasn’t being disengenous when she said this repeatedly, and has no nefarious intentions — at OUR expense — then there should be no beef w/what I am saying/writing. Politics ain’t beenbag — is also another statement both she/Barack have said. HRC needs to make up her mind — either she is tough — or a VICTIM. Even I am getting confused…
By Renata on 06/07/2008 7:16 pm
Buh- Bye
barfola
By Buh- Bye on 06/08/2008 12:19 am
Star Lawrence
LOL. One commentator said Obama does not want her help much, wants to prove he can charm the women and those hard-headed “working people” back into line himself. But of course, if Hillary does not appear a lot, it will be blamed on her being grudging or something. Watch for it. Isn’t this exciting?
By Star Lawrence on 06/08/2008 11:19 am
Deni G
We’re just gonna have to give you an award of some sort!
By Deni G on 06/08/2008 12:33 pm
Deni G
We’re just gonna have to give you an award of some sort! was in response to My Alias ‘barfola’ post.
By Deni G on 06/08/2008 12:38 pm
To the beach ~~~
Renata- Congressman Rangel, who was a staunch supporter, was very angry, the Senate superdelegates [her coworkers] voted 13 for her vs 32 for Obama for a reason. Senator Kennedy, Kerry, Dodd….all the party heavyweights were for Obama. They are all going to make nice, ‘great speech’ etc…HRC’s real intentions are in the ‘suspended’ campaign. Who ever heard of that? Ignore the childish “barfola’” and supercilious “now you’re just being funny” remarks. I understand exactly what you are saying. They think you do a disservice to Obama….a day ago I was saying Sec of State HRC…let’s be fair, etc. Now I give a rat’s behind.
By To the beach ~~~ on 06/08/2008 4:40 am
alice ruth
Kitty—I admit that I, too, have considered the possibilitiy of Renata being a McCain supporter. I suppose that all who participate in the discourse on wowowow must take into account that we know almost nothing about the people who we are engaging in “conversation”. The anonymity possible with this form of communication should encourage all of us to examine how truthful our comments and motives are as we question the comments and motives of the politicians we either support or denigrate. I think debate of the issues is important, so I hope that Renata’s opinions will provide the impetus for others to pursue the truth and make informed decisions.
By alice ruth on 06/09/2008 11:24 am