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Conversation | 06/06/2008 6:26 pm

Liz Smith on Hillary: 'A Lot of Obama's Supporters Would Just Die if He Chose Her'

© AP

Editor’s Note: Sen. Clinton announced this week that she is going to give her support to Sen. Obama and give up the race. What happens to the vice presidency now? Who do you think Obama will choose? Do you think he, in order to unite the party, will choose Hillary as his running mate? These are the questions we posed to Liz, Mary, Judith and Jane.

LIZ: I just had lunch with one of Hillary’s backers, a person who is an aide to Hillary. And she says that she always encouraged her to try and get the vice-presidential slot if she couldn’t win the presidency. But now she feels that Obama probably won’t offer it, because they really don’t want her. They just want her to campaign for him, but they don’t want her to be vice president. Imagine the baggage she would have as the vice president – she and Bill. The vice president doesn’t have very much to do – just serves at the will of the president; presides over the Senate. And, while it’s the second most important job, it’s kind of a nothing job. It’s a strange thing.

MARY: But the current vice president has been very powerful.

JUDITH: You haven’t pointed out that it’s second in line to the presidency.

LIZ: That’s right. That’s the advantage.

JUDITH: I think she should go for a good job. She’s got a bargaining position, and the Supreme Court would be ideal for her. But when Sen. Obama gave his victory speech, it sounded suspiciously like he might offer her something terrible, like being head of H.H.S.[Dept. of Health and Human Services].

LIZ: This person, the one who’s her aide, doesn’t believe she would want to be in the cabinet.

JUDITH: I would think not, especially H.H.S., which is such a difficult position.

LIZ: Well, I think she’d make a dandy secretary of state. I can see her traveling around the world to restore the reputation of this country, at the will of her president. Or, she can remain the senator of New York and bide her time and see what happens. My friend believes that whatever her faults were in this campaign should be blamed on Mark Penn who refused to set up any kind of grassroots thing for her and didn’t use the Internet properly. So Obama took all of that away from them. Most of Hillary’s people now really blame this guy. And for all of her faults in the campaign, she remains a very dedicated and capable and driven kind of person. And we’ve got to remember — 18 million Americans wanted her for president.

Look at Hillary’s enormous support among these older, uneducated women in America, and how marginalized they are by everybody else – like they don’t count. And she really made them count. And I don’t think there’s any way they can vanquish her. I think she’ll come back in one way or another. And Obama’s not ignoring that. He’ll do something, I think. He’ll offer her something – maybe something she really wants.

JUDITH: The things on her list of what she wants were on the domestic side — not on the foreign affairs side. What would be more powerful than the Supreme Court?

LIZ: I don’t know, though. I feel, Judith, it’s too sort of sedentary for her.

JUDITH: Really?

MARY: Don’t you have to have some legal background?

JUDITH: You don’t have to have been a judge, no. You have to be a lawyer, which she is.

LIZ: She’s a good lawyer.

JUDITH: Yes, she’s a lawyer. And if she wants to advance those issues, which were all domestic issues, I would think that that would be the place. And it’s a much better job than being president, much less vice president.

LIZ: Well what do you think, Mary?

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sibelle daubigne
My I love Madeleines! Want one want one! (don’t like Proust though)
By sibelle daubigne on 06/08/2008 3:33 pm
Buh- Bye
sibelle, I love Proust! Madelaines - easy to make if you have the pan - a cholesterol injection tho.
By Buh- Bye on 06/08/2008 3:42 pm
sibelle daubigne
LOL LOL i love your humor!
By sibelle daubigne on 06/08/2008 4:53 pm
Liza D 08 .... beta
Did you guys see this … Michelle Obama Gears Up For A Gabfest No more View from the cheap seats for Michelle Obama. The potential next first lady of the United States is slated to appear June 18 as a guest host on The View. No celebrity guests have been booked yet, but we’re sure Barack Obama’s Princeton and Harvard-educated missus will have no trouble being heard over the most vocal ladies in daytime.
By Liza D 08 .... beta on 06/08/2008 3:28 pm
Star Lawrence
Can Kathy Griffin be there, please, please… (I think she is on their no-no list again, tho)
By Star Lawrence on 06/09/2008 8:26 am
Mugsy Peabody
Oh, so now you telling Michael to butt out is not trying to silence him? You’re not trying to police the website, Suzanne? As you said, this is not your website. Michael has a right to say what he thinks, just like you do. So, as I said before, go suck eggs.
By Mugsy Peabody on 06/08/2008 3:34 pm
Buh- Bye
I love it when Mugsy gets mad. :)
By Buh- Bye on 06/08/2008 9:48 pm
Renata
Thank you, again - Peggy Noonan! http://online.wsj.com/article_print/SB121269958227749853.html June 6, 2008 DECLARATIONS By PEGGY NOONAN Recoil Election June 6, 2008; Page A11 It is the most amazing thing that a young black man who was just a few short years ago unknown to most of his countrymen—really, unknown—could, this week, win the presidential nomination of one of our two great political parties. It is even more amazing that this historic news could be overshadowed by the personal drama and spite of the woman who lost to him. M.E. Cohen I like it that she spent the campaign accusing America of being sexist, of treating her differently because she is a woman, and then, when she lacked the grace to congratulate the victor, she sent her stewards out to tell the press she just needs time, it’s so emotional. In other words, she needs space because she’s a woman. A friend sent, by instant message, the AP flash that ran at 16:56 ET on 06-03-2008. There it was suddenly on my screen: “*** WASHINGTON (AP)—Obama clinches Democratic nomination, making him first black candidate to lead his party.” A great old-school bulletin, and of course it carried a huge and moving message. It is good when barriers fall; it’s good when possibilities seem to open up to more people, especially the young, who are always watching. (That’s what’s wrong with them, they’re always watching, and we’re always doing terrible things, like, say, not congratulating the winner on the night he won.) But what I thought of when the friend sent the flash was something another friend told me months ago. It was the night Mr. Obama won Alabama. My friend was watching on TV, in his suburban den. His 10-year-old daughter walked in, looked, saw “Obama Wins” and “Alabama.” She said, “Daddy, we saw a documentary on Martin Luther King Day in school.” She said, “That’s where they used the hoses.” Suddenly my friend saw it new. That’s the place they used the water hoses on the civil rights marchers crossing the bridge. And now look. The black man thanking Alabama for his victory. What kind of place makes a change like this? Only a great nation. We should love it tenderly every day of our lives. * * * We will hear a lot of tasteful tributes this weekend to Hillary Clinton’s grit and fortitude. The Washington-based media may go a little over the top, but only out of relief. They know her well and recoil at what she stands for. They also know they don’t like her, so to balance it out they’ll gush. But this I believe is the truth: America dodged a bullet. That was the other meaning of the culminating events of this week. Mrs. Clinton would have been a disaster as president. Mr. Obama may prove a disaster, and John McCain may, but she would be. Mr. Obama may lie, and Mr. McCain may lie, but she would lie. And she would have brought the whole rattling caravan of Clintonism with her—the scandal-making that is compulsive, the drama that is unending, the sheer, daily madness that is her, and him. We have been spared this. Those who did it deserve to be thanked. May I rise in a toast to the Democratic Party. They had a great and roaring fight, a state-by-state struggle unprecedented in the history of presidential primaries. They created the truly national primary. They brought 36 million people to the polls, including the young, minorities and first-time voters. They brought a kind of dogged brio to the year. All of this is impressive, but more than that, they threw off Clintonism. They threw off the idea that corruption is part of the game, an acceptable fact. They threw off the idea that dynasticism was an unstoppable dynamic in modern politics, that Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton could, would, go on forever. They said: “No, that is not the way we do it.” They threw off the idea of inevitability. Mrs. Clinton didn’t lose because she had no money or organization, she didn’t lose because she had no fame or name, she didn’t lose because her policies were unusual or dramatically unpopular within her party. She lost because enough Democrats looked at her and thought: I don’t like that, I don’t like the way she does it, I’m not going there. Most candidates lose over things, not over their essential nature. But that is what happened here. For all her accomplishments and success, it was her sketchy character that in the end did her in. But the voters had to make the decision. So, to the Democrats: A nod. A bow. Well done. May this mark the beginning of the remoralization of a great party. * * * Should he make her his vice president? He shouldn’t, and he won’t. The reasons: The only ones who could force him to do it are party elders, and they don’t like Mrs. Clinton. They’re the ones who finally forced her from the race. Their antipathy was not apparent when she was inevitable. It is obvious now. She would never be content to be vice president. She’d be plotting against him from day one. She’d put poison in his tea. She brings Bill. She undercuts the cleanness of Obama’s message. She doesn’t turn the page, she is the page. She would give Republicans something to get excited about. She will revivify them. They’re not excited about Mr. McCain, but they could become excited about opposing her. Her presence on the ticket would force the party to have two breakthrough moments when a rule of political life, and life in general, is: one breakthrough at a time. He doesn’t need her. He needs a boring white man. Because he’s an interesting black man. He needs a sober, experienced, older establishment player who will be respected by the press, the first responders of the political game. They’ll set the tone in which the choice is celebrated, or not. He needs someone like Sam Nunn. Or, actually, Sam Nunn. He could throw a wild pass at Jim Webb because he has a real-guy, Southern, semi-working-class persona, and a Scots-Irish grit and chippiness. He is from important Virginia, has Vietnam boots and is moderate. Choosing Mrs. Clinton would make Mr. Obama look weak. No one would believe he picked her because he respected or liked her. They’d think he was appeasing her. This is not something he can afford! And in any case some people cannot be appeased. Voters would assume she and her people did their voodoo—I have 18 million voters!—and he fell for it. She doesn’t have 18 million voters, she got 18 million votes. It is telling the way she thinks of them, as if they are working-class automatons awaiting her command. As for reports of their rage, there are always dead-enders, and frantic lovers of this candidate or that. This goes under the larger heading “lonely people.” But there’s reason to think, and some Democratic insiders do think it, that a lot of the supposed pro-Clinton furor is ginned up on Web sites by the Clinton campaign, and even manufactured by the Clinton campaign, to prove Clinton loyalists are real and their demands must be met. In any case, you can see how Mrs. Clinton views her supposed working-class heroes by what she is doing with them now: using them as a bargaining chip to get whatever she wants. Democrats this year have the winning fever, and Democrats will come out. By November they will be united. Also, he doesn’t like her. He recoils. Just like his party. See all of today’s editorials and op-eds, plus video commentary, on Opinion Journal1. And add your comments to the Opinion Journal forum2. URL for this article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121269958227749853.html Hyperlinks in this Article: (1) http://online.wsj.com/opinion (2) http://forums.wsj.com/viewtopic.php? t=2821 Copyright 2008 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved This copy is for your personal, non-commercial use only. Distribution and use of this material are governed by our Subscriber Agreement and by copyright law. For non-personal use or to order multiple copies, please contact Dow Jones Reprints at 1-800-843-0008 or visit www.djreprints.com. 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By Renata on 06/08/2008 3:40 pm
Mugsy Peabody
Kitty, wlecoem to the Church (and cartel and cabal, and ilk) (and chat room)! (That includes anyone whose opinion I might agree with, apparently.)
By Mugsy Peabody on 06/08/2008 3:50 pm
K O
Hey, thanks! To think that you’d invite a person who agrees with you about half the time (but enjoys your singular point of view always). Sounds like my kind of place. I’ll bring wine, dolmas, pita and hummus. Mmmmm. Think we can model a place where chat can include disagreement (with a toast)? I’m IN.
By K O on 06/08/2008 6:22 pm
Brooklyn Gal
I noticed Frenchie did not respond to my response to her on calling me a Hillary supporter. I am against any bias coverage in the media. Facts are blurred with commentaries nowadays and that’s not right. So I will reprint it here: Carol L. - 6/8/2008 12:41 PM Frenchie, You don’t read very well. I have said many times I was not a Hillary supporter. After Edwards, I went with Obama. What I don’t appreciate is my local paper endorsing a candidate than tearing her to shreds and making sure their columnist do the same. I would expect the NYTimes to write their articles objectively. The media kept this divisiveness going. You and your friend are also keeping it alive. Go back and see how many times on this blog I have begged both Obama and Hillary supporters to come together. But it seems when someone makes a pro-Hillary comment (while not putting down Obama) the anti-Hilton rants start. As of today McCain is ahead. And, I don’t see you doing anything to heal the differences in our party. Frankly, you are not doing the Obama camp any good service. I compare you to those in the Republican party who put out those hate ads against Obama. Everything you write is based in hate. Also Renata has not responded to who will run for Hillary’s seat. I am open to any good choice as long as it isn’t Bloomie. The way Renata and Frenchie and some others post, they want Hillary to disappear off the face of the earth. I wanted that for Bush 4 years ago, but the Dems always screw the campaign. Now the Republicans are calling Obama a Maxist. I would rather read comments bashing the Republicans than another Democrat, but Frenchie (Suzanne) and the rest of you just don’t get it. Mugsy, Star, Alias and others have not attacked me. Alias and Star also have not attacked me for wanting them to listen to the candidates before making up their minds in November. But, they are class acts. Mamacita, Did you see the NYCEd shout out to your quote post??? (Now she doesn’t like Hillary, but doesn’t resort to insults and using up the pages of this site to get her point across. In fact, if you go back a few weeks ago, the first insult was thrown at Mugsy for posting a postitive review of Hillary. btw, I finally got a response to a question I asked WoW 7 weeks ago. 7 weeks for a response! They run this site like the cable company. (Bet this comment won’t make it to the Week in Review comment section either).
By Brooklyn Gal on 06/08/2008 3:51 pm
Star Lawrence
They run this site like the cable company. (Bet this comment won’t make it to the Week in Review comment section either). Yipes—the cable company! Carol, you have now gone too far. LOL. I am going offline, cabalmates, ilkettes, and loyal oppos! Manana?
By Star Lawrence on 06/08/2008 4:42 pm
To the beach ~~~
Carol L— I did respond and here it is again. McCain is NOT ahead….facts are good things really Carol L… you don’t need to make it up as you go. Poll Date Sample Obama (D) McCain (R) Spread RCP Average 05/21 - 06/06 — 46.9 44.4 Obama +2.5 CNN 06/04 - 06/05 921 RV 49 46 Obama +3.0 Rasmussen Tracking 06/04 - 06/06 3000 LV 48 45 Obama +3.0 Gallup Tracking 06/01 - 06/05 4391 RV 46 45 Obama +1.0 CBS News 05/30 - 06/03 930 RV 48 42 Obama +6.0 USA Today/Gallup 05/30 - 06/01 803 RV 47 44 Obama +3.0 Cook/RT Strategies 05/29 - 05/31 802 RV 44 43 Obama +1.0 Pew Research 05/21 - 05/25 1242 RV 47 44 Obama +3.0 Newsweek 05/21 - 05/22 1205 RV 46 46 Tie
By To the beach ~~~ on 06/08/2008 5:18 pm
Brooklyn Gal
No Frenchy, You said I was a Hillary supporter and that is a lie! So it’s you who make up the facts. McCain is tied or ahead in other polls. 3 point lead is not enough to secure an Obama victory this early. However, Dems standing together instead of knocking those that supported Hillary would be of great help. But why is it necessary for you to destroy her supporters with your vile attacks? This is what I just don’t get. God Help Us if Bloomie is on any ticket. He is so anti-middle-class New Yorkers. Parents are up in arms. No wonder when twins who applied for Pre-K are sent to different schools. If you were a true New Yorker you would know that changing bus schedules in the middle of one of the coldest winters, and having those buses delayed for over an hour while kids freeze, is not the sign of a good mayor. Or slashing the budget in mid year and forcing the cancellation of special tutoring or after school programs is not a good thing. Giving the most violent schools an A and the best schools a C, and giving principals with failing schools that are about to close big bonuses is not a good thing. Telling Queens residents to shut up and stop complaining about a long black out in the middle of a heat wave and praising Con Edison is not a good thing. Forcing people to move their cars after a major snowstorm instead of suspending alternate side parking is not a good thing (and all those tickets canceled after every newspaper called him on it). And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Thousands of parents have marched on both City Hall and Albany in protest of this callous individual. And, The Post and Daily News, who support Bloomie, are willing to call him out on his worst policies—overcrowded schools, building new schools on toxic sites, allowing children to be taught in run-down trailers, refusing to investigate and clean up the PCP mess found in many schools. You complain when Hillary wants to change rules, well Bloomie is investigating ways to see if he can get around term limits. But I suppose if you like a candidate, they don’t have to follow the standards you set up for other candidates.
By Brooklyn Gal on 06/08/2008 6:22 pm
Deni G
Dear Carol, Reasoning with The Baguette, is useless. She spews her venom at anyone who disagrees with her. It doesn’t make any difference which candidate you support. It doesn’t make any difference what you do or say. You can have been her friend and supported her. You can have apologized for crossing some invisible line. You can have told her she was wonderful, that you love Obama, that you think something she said was great. None of that matters. And once she reaches this point of no return, she won’t even know what was actually said in a post or even who said it. It doesn’t really matter anyway, since it’s the same mantra interspersed with really crude misogynist bile.
By Deni G on 06/08/2008 6:28 pm