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Conversation | 06/06/2008 6:26 pm

Liz Smith on Hillary: 'A Lot of Obama's Supporters Would Just Die if He Chose Her'

© AP

Editor’s Note: Sen. Clinton announced this week that she is going to give her support to Sen. Obama and give up the race. What happens to the vice presidency now? Who do you think Obama will choose? Do you think he, in order to unite the party, will choose Hillary as his running mate? These are the questions we posed to Liz, Mary, Judith and Jane.

LIZ: I just had lunch with one of Hillary’s backers, a person who is an aide to Hillary. And she says that she always encouraged her to try and get the vice-presidential slot if she couldn’t win the presidency. But now she feels that Obama probably won’t offer it, because they really don’t want her. They just want her to campaign for him, but they don’t want her to be vice president. Imagine the baggage she would have as the vice president – she and Bill. The vice president doesn’t have very much to do – just serves at the will of the president; presides over the Senate. And, while it’s the second most important job, it’s kind of a nothing job. It’s a strange thing.

MARY: But the current vice president has been very powerful.

JUDITH: You haven’t pointed out that it’s second in line to the presidency.

LIZ: That’s right. That’s the advantage.

JUDITH: I think she should go for a good job. She’s got a bargaining position, and the Supreme Court would be ideal for her. But when Sen. Obama gave his victory speech, it sounded suspiciously like he might offer her something terrible, like being head of H.H.S.[Dept. of Health and Human Services].

LIZ: This person, the one who’s her aide, doesn’t believe she would want to be in the cabinet.

JUDITH: I would think not, especially H.H.S., which is such a difficult position.

LIZ: Well, I think she’d make a dandy secretary of state. I can see her traveling around the world to restore the reputation of this country, at the will of her president. Or, she can remain the senator of New York and bide her time and see what happens. My friend believes that whatever her faults were in this campaign should be blamed on Mark Penn who refused to set up any kind of grassroots thing for her and didn’t use the Internet properly. So Obama took all of that away from them. Most of Hillary’s people now really blame this guy. And for all of her faults in the campaign, she remains a very dedicated and capable and driven kind of person. And we’ve got to remember — 18 million Americans wanted her for president.

Look at Hillary’s enormous support among these older, uneducated women in America, and how marginalized they are by everybody else – like they don’t count. And she really made them count. And I don’t think there’s any way they can vanquish her. I think she’ll come back in one way or another. And Obama’s not ignoring that. He’ll do something, I think. He’ll offer her something – maybe something she really wants.

JUDITH: The things on her list of what she wants were on the domestic side — not on the foreign affairs side. What would be more powerful than the Supreme Court?

LIZ: I don’t know, though. I feel, Judith, it’s too sort of sedentary for her.

JUDITH: Really?

MARY: Don’t you have to have some legal background?

JUDITH: You don’t have to have been a judge, no. You have to be a lawyer, which she is.

LIZ: She’s a good lawyer.

JUDITH: Yes, she’s a lawyer. And if she wants to advance those issues, which were all domestic issues, I would think that that would be the place. And it’s a much better job than being president, much less vice president.

LIZ: Well what do you think, Mary?

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Brooklyn Gal
Mugsy, I’m surprised you still want to say something to the beach. Come and join the fun on the Boss thread.
By Brooklyn Gal on 06/09/2008 3:48 am
To the beach ~~~
Oh she can never resist telling everyone except the co-dependant groveling cabal what to do….
By To the beach ~~~ on 06/09/2008 5:57 am
To the beach ~~~
Oh the lights were turned on really brightly for me tonight….I realized that you and Deni have never actually had a real career, never really accomplished anything. Explains a lot.
By To the beach ~~~ on 06/09/2008 6:44 am
Michael Salling
sos in this thread, i see — don’t have time to look for reactions to Sen. Feinstein’s bombshell but I will do so when I wake up in approximately 6 hours. Have we all set a new record for # of posts in one thread yet?
By Michael Salling on 06/09/2008 6:03 am
Marjorie C.
Most of the posts are rants. This site will need a moderator if there is ever to be civil discussion on politics. The BHO activists jam these sites, that is their modus operandi. Wait until they find out there are no caucuses in the general election. Of course if the moderator is a BHO fan, then… bye, bye WoW.
By Marjorie C. on 06/09/2008 8:03 am
Marjorie C.
Most of the posts are rants.” I should clarify: rants by a driven few who are clearly BHO activists. Spoilers. Too bad because this site has attracted a great group of women. I won’t give up just yet, though. I know the site is in Beta mode, so maybe the owners are working on the problem.
By Marjorie C. on 06/09/2008 8:10 am
Michael Salling
When I left this post for one of my critics it was on page 49 — who knows where it will be found six hours from now? To the bitter beachcomber (did she change her name?): <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Why don’t you ask your friend what she wrote? I’m not going to waste my time doing your bidding when your friend declines to correct her slander. You’re not the first woman to object to my comments on this site, dear, but certainly the rudest and one of the most obtuse. There are lots of women here, not many ladies I’m afraid. I say this because my Mom was one of the greatest, and she’d have quit reading this thread about 950 posts ago. I’ll post this at the end of the thread and cite the page where this can be found.
By Michael Salling on 06/09/2008 6:44 am
To the beach ~~~
Actually, Michael, I was supportive of both you and Frank being here when both of you first arrived, and when no was else was. And when Mugsy in particular was hostile “what do you not understand about this being a site for women over 40?” etc. Save your ‘rudest’ Michael— your jumping in with the racist Mugsy Cabal to belittle Renata qualifies you for rude and a coward…that’s how this group works, gang-up on and belittle one individual for not doing as they wish. As if this site is the private purview of Mugsy Inc. They went after Renata and Taylor, including making racist comments. Both Renata and Taylor are smarter than the Mugsy Cabal put together and more accomplished. Mugsy also ran JackieOh off the site today, another of the smarter woman. And Frank the other day, on another thread. But you are right. Anyone with a brain would have left 950 posts ago. Other women who’ve left this site [as JackieOhOh did today calling the Mugsy cabal ‘redneck hens’] have also been surprised by the dissonance here. The slick graphics and high-end sponsors is not reflected in the controlling demographic. So, I get it finally. This is not, nor will it be Huffingtonpost. That is where the intelligent activist go. So, enjoy.
By To the beach ~~~ on 06/09/2008 7:19 am
Bonnie Oliver
Suzanne - I came back over here this morning to find that the thread is continuing. This has been a heartache all around. Your defense of Renata is wonderful. And probably during the last days of the campaign she did become too invasive. She was responding to every comment as if each were an attack to Senator Obama. Oh, some of them were but not all. Renata is a zealous advocate and her personal story is admirable. You are also a strong advocate. A lot of things were said here on this thread and then one thing led to another and then to another and before you know it, the words were becoming personal and then more personal. I hope you do not leave wowowow totally for the Huffington site. You are a valued participant. The other day you posted a link from YouTube about Robert Kennedy. That was wonderful and to hear Ted Kennedy’s voice at the eulogy once again made the 40 years seem as if it were only a few months ago. Your links are always informative. Stay around. Let us all put this thread behind us. The disappointment of the Hillary supporters has been almost visible. And, therefore, some of the celebration by the Obama supporters was received with less enthusiasm than expected. It was one day. Just one thread. We are all better than the emotions expressed for one day. I hope you will stay.
By Bonnie Oliver on 06/09/2008 8:09 am
Ulla
Bonnie … you are a kind and wise person … I also hope everyone reads the friendly/balanced comment Elizabeth Bennett posted to Jackie OhOh on the Polanski thread … I had gone back there to see if anyone wanted to take up the discussion on “can you love the art if the artist…” - only to find another sad/bitter rant by J. … I almost gave in to a bit of yelling … but E.B. saved civility …
By Ulla on 06/09/2008 11:05 am
wild heather
BO - did you know you and Barak share the same unfortunate name acronym? I bet you and he have known that since around second grade. BHO is awesome though. Do you have a middle name?
By wild heather on 06/09/2008 1:08 pm
Bonnie Oliver
Yes, my middle name is Suzanne. My initials are rather sad, are they not? And the jokes were fierce as a child but one of my older brothers, Edwin, was nicknamed “Buddy” and he took care of the jokers in the neighborhood. Those were the days when you could hear the fog horns out on San Francisco Bay and they sounded like a deep throated voice calling out our initials “BBBBBB OOO Ooo ooo … BBBBBB OOO Ooo ooo” So we had many of those sounds tossed around and also the ever present body odor chants. My big brother was my champion unless he was the one doing the teasing. Brothers - a very strange species of human kind.
By Bonnie Oliver on 06/09/2008 3:53 pm
Ulla
hi Michael … yeah she changed her name, again … anyway, nice seeing you back! … while I tried to read my way thru this thread (… yikes), I had the feeling you were doing the same almost at the same time … weird … what’s the time difference between Hawaii and NY anyway …
By Ulla on 06/09/2008 2:01 pm
wild heather
the time difference is 6 hours now, ulla. Michael is called Misha in L.A. and Honolulu by many of his friends — I know him well and I think he’s a wonderful though at times misunderstood man. He’s visiting his son Kaua’i right now and they’re camping on the Na Pali Coast. He loved the line about he boy trying to play on the girl’s baseball team. he was once on a girl’s softball team. Welcome him when he gets back around the end of June.
By wild heather on 06/10/2008 4:03 am