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Conversation | 06/06/2008 6:26 pm

Liz Smith on Hillary: 'A Lot of Obama's Supporters Would Just Die if He Chose Her'

© AP

Editor’s Note: Sen. Clinton announced this week that she is going to give her support to Sen. Obama and give up the race. What happens to the vice presidency now? Who do you think Obama will choose? Do you think he, in order to unite the party, will choose Hillary as his running mate? These are the questions we posed to Liz, Mary, Judith and Jane.

LIZ: I just had lunch with one of Hillary’s backers, a person who is an aide to Hillary. And she says that she always encouraged her to try and get the vice-presidential slot if she couldn’t win the presidency. But now she feels that Obama probably won’t offer it, because they really don’t want her. They just want her to campaign for him, but they don’t want her to be vice president. Imagine the baggage she would have as the vice president – she and Bill. The vice president doesn’t have very much to do – just serves at the will of the president; presides over the Senate. And, while it’s the second most important job, it’s kind of a nothing job. It’s a strange thing.

MARY: But the current vice president has been very powerful.

JUDITH: You haven’t pointed out that it’s second in line to the presidency.

LIZ: That’s right. That’s the advantage.

JUDITH: I think she should go for a good job. She’s got a bargaining position, and the Supreme Court would be ideal for her. But when Sen. Obama gave his victory speech, it sounded suspiciously like he might offer her something terrible, like being head of H.H.S.[Dept. of Health and Human Services].

LIZ: This person, the one who’s her aide, doesn’t believe she would want to be in the cabinet.

JUDITH: I would think not, especially H.H.S., which is such a difficult position.

LIZ: Well, I think she’d make a dandy secretary of state. I can see her traveling around the world to restore the reputation of this country, at the will of her president. Or, she can remain the senator of New York and bide her time and see what happens. My friend believes that whatever her faults were in this campaign should be blamed on Mark Penn who refused to set up any kind of grassroots thing for her and didn’t use the Internet properly. So Obama took all of that away from them. Most of Hillary’s people now really blame this guy. And for all of her faults in the campaign, she remains a very dedicated and capable and driven kind of person. And we’ve got to remember — 18 million Americans wanted her for president.

Look at Hillary’s enormous support among these older, uneducated women in America, and how marginalized they are by everybody else – like they don’t count. And she really made them count. And I don’t think there’s any way they can vanquish her. I think she’ll come back in one way or another. And Obama’s not ignoring that. He’ll do something, I think. He’ll offer her something – maybe something she really wants.

JUDITH: The things on her list of what she wants were on the domestic side — not on the foreign affairs side. What would be more powerful than the Supreme Court?

LIZ: I don’t know, though. I feel, Judith, it’s too sort of sedentary for her.

JUDITH: Really?

MARY: Don’t you have to have some legal background?

JUDITH: You don’t have to have been a judge, no. You have to be a lawyer, which she is.

LIZ: She’s a good lawyer.

JUDITH: Yes, she’s a lawyer. And if she wants to advance those issues, which were all domestic issues, I would think that that would be the place. And it’s a much better job than being president, much less vice president.

LIZ: Well what do you think, Mary?

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Ulla
Hi Frannie … yeah, all that joking helped push the numbers … btw: interesting that you mentioned it, I also seem to notice that this site and my Safari have some communication problems ….
By Ulla on 06/09/2008 11:45 am
Liza D 08 .... beta
Hi. Ms. Ulla, What is safari? What do you mean?
By Liza D 08 .... beta on 06/09/2008 2:12 pm
wild heather
It’s the Apple OS equivalent of your Internet Explorer web browsing application — I assume you don’t use firefox, linux or whatever. It was just replaced with one called Leopard, I think. Very good. About those geniuses, i converted to MacBookPro two years ago and I’ll never go back. Make sure to buy the ProCare One to One option. You can get 1 hour personal training each week for a year with some of the most wonderful young (belive me — no one is over 30) people you’d ever want to meet. It will renew your faith in the latest equivalent of the “lost generation.” Hope this helps. WH — I bet Barak and Michelle love that acronym.
By wild heather on 06/09/2008 2:22 pm
Liza D 08 .... beta
Dear Ms. Wild Heather, Thank you for that explanation. I have a gateway notebook. I have had to send it in three times for simple things like keys coming off and the ac adapter not wanting to stay connected while I recharge. I will look at MacBookPro when I can afford to. Again, thank you for this. :)
By Liza D 08 .... beta on 06/09/2008 2:57 pm
Frannie Em
Heather I have the One to One, I love it, and the kids are great and so funny. Love showing their websites etc. Have always used Mac, but mostly for our business. It sings.
By Frannie Em on 06/09/2008 4:08 pm
Frannie Em
Liza Safari is an internet browser
By Frannie Em on 06/09/2008 4:06 pm
Liza D 08 .... beta
Hello to you today Ms. Em! I thought it had something to do with my hat and scarf! :) You know I am kidding! I want you to know that I did not look Deni in the eye for about a week …. I really like Deni … you have no idea!
By Liza D 08 .... beta on 06/09/2008 4:09 pm
Frannie Em
Ulla We need to go safari hunting.
By Frannie Em on 06/09/2008 4:17 pm
Ulla
Hi Frannie, and Liza and Wild Heather … just came back to this … you ladies are so sweet … yeah, I absolutely adore those (oh so young) Apple geniuses, so helpful always when I am there pleading total ignorance and idiocy … and I just think all their support systems etc. are what makes Apple so attractive … I love my little MacBook (saving up for the MacBookPro..) … as to Safari hunting … I don’t know … I’ve just been crying over Ashley Judd’s Africa diary …
By Ulla on 06/09/2008 4:59 pm
Ulla
Hi Joni Evans … yes, a thousand comments, cool …, also: exhausting … as it was partially reached with the help of some rather excessive posters (you really read all those cut-and-pastes from pre-written commentary and other sites, articles etc. ?) … and as for last week’s featured Reader’s Comment thread … hopefully you really read that thread carefully too, because the editorial choice there was hotly debated (among other things). Thanks.
By Ulla on 06/09/2008 11:21 am
Liza D 08 .... beta
Hey Ms. Ulla, I missed the thousand mark. Oh, well! About your name … every time I see it I keep thinking about the scene in The Long Hot Summer 1958 with JoAnne Woodward, Paul Newman, Lee Remick and Orson Wells. Lee Remick plays Eula. Eula is a very sexy young woman that drives all the teenage boys in the parish crazy. There is a part in the film where Eula is sitting on the porch with her family and the teenage boys are calling “EULA, EEEUUUUULLLLAAAA” from the dark bushes and trees. So, there you have it Ms. Ulla … when I see you name I want to cry out “ULLA …. UUULLLLAAAA”. Kind of silly huh? :) Interesting fact about the film it was released in Germany May 18, 1958 One last thing Ms. Ulla, I realize that Eu is a different sound than U sound. I am very familiar with German names … my mothers name is Hilde and I am Karin …. so, I know all about Oma, Opa, Uma, Otto und alles. Ja! :)
By Liza D 08 .... beta on 06/09/2008 3:19 pm
Ulla
Hey there Ms. Liza … you are so cute! please keep calling Uuuulllaaa, … and really I have to see that film (can’t believe I never did, but it has been mentioned to me more than once …) and yes, it’s not pronounced Eu, but hey, I gave up on explaining that years ago … so Liza/Karin: Gruesse und alles Gute …
By Ulla on 06/09/2008 5:06 pm
Vivvy Stewart
I do love a rousing exchange. It fluffs the hair, sharpens the nails, and brings a rosy glow to the cheeks. As Nick (William Hurt) said in The Big Chill, “just trying to keep the conversation lively”.
By Vivvy Stewart on 06/09/2008 11:24 am
Brooklyn Gal
Joni, Are you kidding me! You see this as a milestone? How sad that vicious comments are being celebrated. When was the last time you were called racist? Wow O Wow, it’s always about the bottom line.
By Brooklyn Gal on 06/09/2008 11:34 am
wild heather
You are a wonderful thinker and writer, Joni, and I don’t think you were directly called a racist. What they do here is exactly what Bill O’reiley does and all bullies do. You’ve got to learn to fight back or simply walk/run away to fight another day in a more worthwhile cause. It’s not the vileness that is being celebrated, Joni; each of us has some of that in some (hopefully) hidden corner. It’s this seething powerful sometimes frightening force generated by an older but in many ways much more attractive generation of female gladiators. Take heart. I’ll see you on the many other beautiful, thought provoking, exciting wow0wow threads.
By wild heather on 06/10/2008 4:18 am