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Conversation | 06/06/2008 6:26 pm

Liz Smith on Hillary: 'A Lot of Obama's Supporters Would Just Die if He Chose Her'

© AP

Editor’s Note: Sen. Clinton announced this week that she is going to give her support to Sen. Obama and give up the race. What happens to the vice presidency now? Who do you think Obama will choose? Do you think he, in order to unite the party, will choose Hillary as his running mate? These are the questions we posed to Liz, Mary, Judith and Jane.

LIZ: I just had lunch with one of Hillary’s backers, a person who is an aide to Hillary. And she says that she always encouraged her to try and get the vice-presidential slot if she couldn’t win the presidency. But now she feels that Obama probably won’t offer it, because they really don’t want her. They just want her to campaign for him, but they don’t want her to be vice president. Imagine the baggage she would have as the vice president – she and Bill. The vice president doesn’t have very much to do – just serves at the will of the president; presides over the Senate. And, while it’s the second most important job, it’s kind of a nothing job. It’s a strange thing.

MARY: But the current vice president has been very powerful.

JUDITH: You haven’t pointed out that it’s second in line to the presidency.

LIZ: That’s right. That’s the advantage.

JUDITH: I think she should go for a good job. She’s got a bargaining position, and the Supreme Court would be ideal for her. But when Sen. Obama gave his victory speech, it sounded suspiciously like he might offer her something terrible, like being head of H.H.S.[Dept. of Health and Human Services].

LIZ: This person, the one who’s her aide, doesn’t believe she would want to be in the cabinet.

JUDITH: I would think not, especially H.H.S., which is such a difficult position.

LIZ: Well, I think she’d make a dandy secretary of state. I can see her traveling around the world to restore the reputation of this country, at the will of her president. Or, she can remain the senator of New York and bide her time and see what happens. My friend believes that whatever her faults were in this campaign should be blamed on Mark Penn who refused to set up any kind of grassroots thing for her and didn’t use the Internet properly. So Obama took all of that away from them. Most of Hillary’s people now really blame this guy. And for all of her faults in the campaign, she remains a very dedicated and capable and driven kind of person. And we’ve got to remember — 18 million Americans wanted her for president.

Look at Hillary’s enormous support among these older, uneducated women in America, and how marginalized they are by everybody else – like they don’t count. And she really made them count. And I don’t think there’s any way they can vanquish her. I think she’ll come back in one way or another. And Obama’s not ignoring that. He’ll do something, I think. He’ll offer her something – maybe something she really wants.

JUDITH: The things on her list of what she wants were on the domestic side — not on the foreign affairs side. What would be more powerful than the Supreme Court?

LIZ: I don’t know, though. I feel, Judith, it’s too sort of sedentary for her.

JUDITH: Really?

MARY: Don’t you have to have some legal background?

JUDITH: You don’t have to have been a judge, no. You have to be a lawyer, which she is.

LIZ: She’s a good lawyer.

JUDITH: Yes, she’s a lawyer. And if she wants to advance those issues, which were all domestic issues, I would think that that would be the place. And it’s a much better job than being president, much less vice president.

LIZ: Well what do you think, Mary?

1157 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Frank Peterson
I would love to see her in a cabinet spot frankly. Health and Human Sevice comes to mind immediately of maybe even more?
By Frank Peterson on 06/09/2008 4:56 pm
Brooklyn Gal
Even more? Yes Frank for both the Edwards.
By Brooklyn Gal on 06/09/2008 6:03 pm
Frank Peterson
Yes! I’d offer him veep or State though I would hope Hillary would be a major player in the administration. Elizabeth, I think, mentioned Hillary for Supreme court—she’s too much of a major force to be shoved there—she needs a prominent place where she can do a hell of a lot of good and bring her intelligence to the fore on the battles this country and the world faces in too many areas to count.
By Frank Peterson on 06/09/2008 7:05 pm
Brooklyn Gal
Oh Frank, You evoked the “H” word and you said something positive. Don’t you know better than to do that by now?
By Brooklyn Gal on 06/09/2008 7:33 pm
Frank Peterson
Carol—I’ve supported Hillary from the beginning—this country needs a woman president. Period. I just wish she’d fired all those fractious loser advisers of hers. They screwed the pooch and basically lost the whole ball game for her. She should have fired the whole lot. Bad advice, misreadings of money, big states etc and frankly why the hell didn’t they get on the internet? OK So spilled milk as it were and the loss made me damn sad. That’s where I am—I’m just hoping Obama will pout her ina positions where she can make a major difference. He’s got a lot of thinkiing to do.
By Frank Peterson on 06/09/2008 8:26 pm
Brooklyn Gal
Frank, Her campaign will be the focus of books and articles for years to come. But I have to wonder if my first pick—Edwards—had Obama’s people running his campaign, would he be the nominee now? Maybe, maybe not. Obama had a wonderful style, and knew how to inspire with his speeches. But he had something more important…media coverage and support. Edwards had almost none. Hillary also made some blunders. It was hard for her to recover from the sniper fire, gas tax relief and RFK statements while Obama failed to connect with the working class. Was that the fault of the strategists or the candidates? Historians are working on this as we speak.
By Brooklyn Gal on 06/09/2008 9:54 pm
Renata
For all the women rushing to vote for John McCain, I submit the following: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-c… The wife U.S. Republican John McCain callously left behind
By Renata on 06/09/2008 6:49 pm
Bonnie Oliver
Okay Renata, your last sentence is hogwash! Read the article and see that Cindy McCain is still very fond of John as he is of her. Their lives are not to be envied. While he was being tortured in Viet Nam, Cindy McCain was involved in a terrible accident that left her with years of recuperation ahead of her. She told John’s father not to get word to John. Cindy loss two inches of height in her recovery. When John returned a battered and broken navy pilot, the two of them (two previously beautiful people with beautiful bodies) could not make the adjustment to their new life. They separated and then divorced amicably. The true story is a whole lot different that your “callous” statement. Quite unfair of you, Renata. The McCain story is heartbreaking in so many ways but both he and Cindy have found new lives and did not burn down the house while they accepted the fact that their marriage would come to an end. Where is your compassion?
By Bonnie Oliver on 06/09/2008 8:11 pm
Lady Gator
Bonnie —-I needed to return to this site just once more. I saw the “callous” statement from Renata. After reading all the spewing and venom from this individual for the past couple of days. You must, by, now know that Renata does not possess “compassion”. I truly believe she is evil. Reminds me of a quote from Jean-Luc Picard (Star Trek:The Next Generation) “Villians who twirl their moustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged”. We, all of us, must learn to start scrolling by and ignoring her comments. So she clothes herself in what she believes to be good deeds as far as her candidate is concerned, however, her moustache is twirling off her face.
By Lady Gator on 06/10/2008 1:35 pm
~ countrywoman ~
Gator person: (06/10/2008 1:35 pm) You do NOT speak for “ALL OF US.” Some of us are very interested in Renata’s perspectives. She is passionate, intelligent, and determined that “swift-boating,” in any form, will not go unchallenged. I defend her right to voice her opinions and hope she will continue to do so. How is it you and your gaggle manage to post some of the most acid commentary on this site and then go on to pronounce that someone else is evil, that she does not possess compassion, that you somehow know all there is to know about her motivations? I wonder if you would enjoy having hateful opinions posted about you? I hope you will take your own advice. Scroll, ignore, and then please spare the rest of us the personal character assassination.

Puzzling line from your previous post to Renata:

I wish you luck - Peace and grace!!!!!
By Lady Gator on 06/09/2008 1:56 pm

Peace?? Grace?? Dictionary please.
By ~ countrywoman ~ on 06/12/2008 5:36 am
beth willis
Bonnie, I also read this article and came away with a different opinion than yours, which doesn’t make either of us right or wrong. Carol McCain was John McCain’s first wife and had been quite attractive prior to her devastating accident. She had the compassion to withold the facts of her condition so as not to concern her husband who was already in a perilous situation. According to the article, Ross Perot paid for Carol McCain’s medical expenses. Through this connection, McCain gained entry into the republican elite. The word “callous” is used in the article, not Renata’s editorializing.(I’m not a frequent defender of Renata’s, but in this case I agree with her. The fact is that John McCain found a beautiful heiress to replace his damaged first wife and used his father-in-law’s fortune to finance his political career. The first Mrs. McCain reportedly still loves her husband and has supported him in all his campaigns. With the help of Cindy McCain, he has been able to be generous in his settlement and support of Carol, his first wife and the mother of three of his children. All of that seems to be fact…granted “callously” is a hot, judgmental word. The story is important to me because I believe that the republicans will attempt “to go after” Michelle Obama, just because they can, and we deserve to know all the facts. That’s just my opinion, Bonnie. Peace and grace
By beth willis on 06/10/2008 1:39 pm
Lady Gator
Beth…..If Senator McCain has anything to say about the above (and, I hope he has the final word) — he will not go after Michelle Obama. He would like for the campaign to be about the issues — not personalities. Hopefully, his thoughts on the matter will be accepted by the Republican Party. His first wife Carol was beautiful — she was a model and he (if you have seen younger pictures of him) was a good looking man. The two of them tried very hard to keep their marriage alive. However, it was a difficult time for both of them. Maybe if someone else had posted the reference to McCain it might have been accepted in a better vein. However, I, for one, still think Renata has her own axe to grind. She certainly hasn’t endeared herself to many on this site. I do respect your opinion — thank you for listening to mine. Peace and grace to you also.
By Lady Gator on 06/10/2008 2:34 pm
immoddesta godessa
LG Is it possible that you have at some time had an ax to grind? Has McCain ever had an ax to grind? and perhaps now more than ever it is time to grind an ax for a candidate. I recognise Renata’s persistence too! but she is one hell of an advocate. There is a legionaire for the cause, and while it may wear on your sensitivity I for one don’t have the screen time available to ferret out so much of the text or tube that she makes easily available. Credit her for being steadfast at least. and then feel good about skipping her post. P n G
By immoddesta godessa on 06/11/2008 3:10 am
wild heather
Defending Renata and the individual most of us wish would take a VERY long walk on the beach for their persistence and their rhetorical skills is absurd, IG. And it certainly isn’t what they need. Mental health counseling would be far more appropriate. In some ways you are the worst of the bunch IG — and maybe you should be looking around for someone to defend you. However, I guess we all have to admire your chutzpa. Defending this Hillary hating, hypocritical, coven of harpies is like defending “Brownie’s” handling of the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Have a nice day.
By wild heather on 06/11/2008 11:01 pm
beth willis
I respect your opinion as well, Lady Gator. Thanks for your reply. Peace and grace
By beth willis on 06/11/2008 3:36 am