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Conversation | 06/06/2008 6:26 pm

Liz Smith on Hillary: 'A Lot of Obama's Supporters Would Just Die if He Chose Her'

© AP

Editor’s Note: Sen. Clinton announced this week that she is going to give her support to Sen. Obama and give up the race. What happens to the vice presidency now? Who do you think Obama will choose? Do you think he, in order to unite the party, will choose Hillary as his running mate? These are the questions we posed to Liz, Mary, Judith and Jane.

LIZ: I just had lunch with one of Hillary’s backers, a person who is an aide to Hillary. And she says that she always encouraged her to try and get the vice-presidential slot if she couldn’t win the presidency. But now she feels that Obama probably won’t offer it, because they really don’t want her. They just want her to campaign for him, but they don’t want her to be vice president. Imagine the baggage she would have as the vice president – she and Bill. The vice president doesn’t have very much to do – just serves at the will of the president; presides over the Senate. And, while it’s the second most important job, it’s kind of a nothing job. It’s a strange thing.

MARY: But the current vice president has been very powerful.

JUDITH: You haven’t pointed out that it’s second in line to the presidency.

LIZ: That’s right. That’s the advantage.

JUDITH: I think she should go for a good job. She’s got a bargaining position, and the Supreme Court would be ideal for her. But when Sen. Obama gave his victory speech, it sounded suspiciously like he might offer her something terrible, like being head of H.H.S.[Dept. of Health and Human Services].

LIZ: This person, the one who’s her aide, doesn’t believe she would want to be in the cabinet.

JUDITH: I would think not, especially H.H.S., which is such a difficult position.

LIZ: Well, I think she’d make a dandy secretary of state. I can see her traveling around the world to restore the reputation of this country, at the will of her president. Or, she can remain the senator of New York and bide her time and see what happens. My friend believes that whatever her faults were in this campaign should be blamed on Mark Penn who refused to set up any kind of grassroots thing for her and didn’t use the Internet properly. So Obama took all of that away from them. Most of Hillary’s people now really blame this guy. And for all of her faults in the campaign, she remains a very dedicated and capable and driven kind of person. And we’ve got to remember — 18 million Americans wanted her for president.

Look at Hillary’s enormous support among these older, uneducated women in America, and how marginalized they are by everybody else – like they don’t count. And she really made them count. And I don’t think there’s any way they can vanquish her. I think she’ll come back in one way or another. And Obama’s not ignoring that. He’ll do something, I think. He’ll offer her something – maybe something she really wants.

JUDITH: The things on her list of what she wants were on the domestic side — not on the foreign affairs side. What would be more powerful than the Supreme Court?

LIZ: I don’t know, though. I feel, Judith, it’s too sort of sedentary for her.

JUDITH: Really?

MARY: Don’t you have to have some legal background?

JUDITH: You don’t have to have been a judge, no. You have to be a lawyer, which she is.

LIZ: She’s a good lawyer.

JUDITH: Yes, she’s a lawyer. And if she wants to advance those issues, which were all domestic issues, I would think that that would be the place. And it’s a much better job than being president, much less vice president.

LIZ: Well what do you think, Mary?

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Renata
McCain Removes Hillary-Slur from Website Months After Posting http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/09/mccain-campaign-removes-c_n_106…
By Renata on 06/09/2008 6:57 pm
Mugsy Peabody
I would like to apologize for my behavior toward certain women on the website during the past week, and to all of you for becoming a part of the destructive negativity we have all been saddened by. Please read my further comments on my blog: http://www.mugsypeabody.blogspot.com/ I’ll see If I can’t try to be part of the solution, rather than part of the problem in future. Mazel tov, Founders, on your new design. By Mugsy Peabody on 06/09/2008 11:47 pm
By Mugsy Peabody on 06/09/2008 11:56 pm
wild heather
We love you — I’m off to your site and then to bed. It’s 11:30 in Hawaii. wh
By wild heather on 06/10/2008 4:23 am
sibelle daubigne
Mugsy, I love it. Good night.We will talk tomorrow/
By sibelle daubigne on 06/10/2008 12:24 am
Brooklyn Gal
Hey Mugsy, You have many people here who don’t think you were part of the problem. After all the spam, we all just lost it. On top of that I had a hard time finding this thread, and need reading glasses for my reading glasses to read the small print. I suppose this new format will take some getting used to .
By Brooklyn Gal on 06/10/2008 12:46 am
Elizabeth Bennett
If you hold down the Control key and then hit the + key, the text will get bigger. You can do it a couple of times and it gets bigger. To make it smaller, hold down Control and hit the - key. Mugsy posted this earlier but you might have missed it.
By Elizabeth Bennett on 06/10/2008 2:18 pm
wild heather
If you’re using a PC you can drop down the VIEW menu at the top of the page and make the text bigger, too. It’s pretty much the same on Apple / Mac’s Safari web browsing application. Have a nice day.
By wild heather on 06/11/2008 11:07 pm
wild heather
Can’t resist one more peek.
By wild heather on 06/10/2008 5:38 am
Adla Coure
Senator Clinton should be given an opportunity to make a greater contribution and if she wishes to be considered for VP - then so be it. I can only hope that it is rectified soon. Both she and Sen Obama have reinvigorated American politics which is great. It would be great if there was room for both of them to continue to fire up the minds and hearts of Americans (and global friends)
By Adla Coure on 06/10/2008 6:12 am
alice ruth
I agree with you, Adia. I think we need the supporters of Senator Clinton and Senator Obama to find common ground and work together to help solve the problems that face our nation. If Democrats truly believe that the policies formed during the Bush administration are responsible for the war in Iraq, the state of our economy, the problems with our health care system and with education, then those same Democrats should consider what fighting among themselves instead of fighting together for change may mean in November.
By alice ruth on 06/10/2008 9:55 am
beverly linens
You don’t need to worry about Michelle. Remember when Barbara Bush was asked about abortion? She would answer “I’m not supposed to talk about that.” When someone would talk about George H.S.’s position on it she would say, “You know I don’t agree with him.” I used imagine his wincing everytime she did that. They survived!
By beverly linens on 06/10/2008 2:41 pm
wild heather
forgot that (if i ever knew it) — no wonder her legacy has stayed as positive as it has. Did you all know there’s a Museum of ‘first ladies’ somewhere in the Midwest? I learned about it on Fox news or one of those when some poor legislator had the chutzpa to add a pittance for it as an “earmark.” Of course all hell broke loose on the conservative media, but the museum’s curator (the legislator’s wife or mother) did a wonderful interview in which she took the interviewer (a man of course) and Fox to task. Seems the “earmark” was a small fraction of the museum’s operating budget, it was a very respected non for profit corporation in the community, and everyone loved it because of its effect on a tourist trade that otherwise would have been unimpressive. I laughed till I had to get up for a hankie. (I don’t use tissue for environmental reasons. Likewise, I do my dishes and laundry the way my mother was taught when she was growing up in the 20’s and 30’s in dustbowl Kansas.) By the way, I love the way this new version of the website makes it far more difficult for the harpies to trash it (and those of us who don’t sing from the same hymn book.)
By wild heather on 06/11/2008 11:17 pm
Nora W.
I, too, hope fierce supporters of all of the Democratic primary candidates can come to terms with the final choice. On Super Tuesday, I remember a neighbor saying to me while waiting in line at the polls, “Isn’t it great NOT having to hold your nose when you vote?” She was awed by the talent and ability of the three leading Democratic candidates. On that day, it appeared like a win-win situation no matter who finally ended up as the final candidate. Unfortunately, US political campaigns always seem to bring a lot of crap to the surface, and that’s what’s happened in the ensuing four months. I don’t think my neighbor would necessarily express the same sentiment today. There’s a terrific article in this week’s Newsweek on the depression that losing candidates experience after the results come in, and I think it applies to avid supporters as well.
By Nora W. on 06/10/2008 3:52 pm
Renata
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/11/us/politics/11clinton.html?_r=1&partne… Those Loyal to the Clintons Take Note of Who Was Not Thankfully, we prevented the Clinton Inc. PATRONAGE SYSTEM from a 3rd Lincoln Bedroom run — and further out-of-Office commoditization of American interests excepting those who buy into this system. Bush/Clinton/Bush — and their medieval courts — MUST come to an end.
By Renata on 06/11/2008 12:08 am
sibelle daubigne
Let them die!
By sibelle daubigne on 06/11/2008 7:49 am