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Conversation | 06/06/2008 6:26 pm

Liz Smith on Hillary: 'A Lot of Obama's Supporters Would Just Die if He Chose Her'

© AP

Editor’s Note: Sen. Clinton announced this week that she is going to give her support to Sen. Obama and give up the race. What happens to the vice presidency now? Who do you think Obama will choose? Do you think he, in order to unite the party, will choose Hillary as his running mate? These are the questions we posed to Liz, Mary, Judith and Jane.

LIZ: I just had lunch with one of Hillary’s backers, a person who is an aide to Hillary. And she says that she always encouraged her to try and get the vice-presidential slot if she couldn’t win the presidency. But now she feels that Obama probably won’t offer it, because they really don’t want her. They just want her to campaign for him, but they don’t want her to be vice president. Imagine the baggage she would have as the vice president – she and Bill. The vice president doesn’t have very much to do – just serves at the will of the president; presides over the Senate. And, while it’s the second most important job, it’s kind of a nothing job. It’s a strange thing.

MARY: But the current vice president has been very powerful.

JUDITH: You haven’t pointed out that it’s second in line to the presidency.

LIZ: That’s right. That’s the advantage.

JUDITH: I think she should go for a good job. She’s got a bargaining position, and the Supreme Court would be ideal for her. But when Sen. Obama gave his victory speech, it sounded suspiciously like he might offer her something terrible, like being head of H.H.S.[Dept. of Health and Human Services].

LIZ: This person, the one who’s her aide, doesn’t believe she would want to be in the cabinet.

JUDITH: I would think not, especially H.H.S., which is such a difficult position.

LIZ: Well, I think she’d make a dandy secretary of state. I can see her traveling around the world to restore the reputation of this country, at the will of her president. Or, she can remain the senator of New York and bide her time and see what happens. My friend believes that whatever her faults were in this campaign should be blamed on Mark Penn who refused to set up any kind of grassroots thing for her and didn’t use the Internet properly. So Obama took all of that away from them. Most of Hillary’s people now really blame this guy. And for all of her faults in the campaign, she remains a very dedicated and capable and driven kind of person. And we’ve got to remember — 18 million Americans wanted her for president.

Look at Hillary’s enormous support among these older, uneducated women in America, and how marginalized they are by everybody else – like they don’t count. And she really made them count. And I don’t think there’s any way they can vanquish her. I think she’ll come back in one way or another. And Obama’s not ignoring that. He’ll do something, I think. He’ll offer her something – maybe something she really wants.

JUDITH: The things on her list of what she wants were on the domestic side — not on the foreign affairs side. What would be more powerful than the Supreme Court?

LIZ: I don’t know, though. I feel, Judith, it’s too sort of sedentary for her.

JUDITH: Really?

MARY: Don’t you have to have some legal background?

JUDITH: You don’t have to have been a judge, no. You have to be a lawyer, which she is.

LIZ: She’s a good lawyer.

JUDITH: Yes, she’s a lawyer. And if she wants to advance those issues, which were all domestic issues, I would think that that would be the place. And it’s a much better job than being president, much less vice president.

LIZ: Well what do you think, Mary?

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Renata
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rebecca-walker/my-resonse-to-salons-stor_b… Yesterday, Salon ran a cover story written by Phyllis Chesler about my relationship with my mother. My response: Dear Phyllis Chesler and the Editors at Salon: I know it is very disappointing to a faction within the Feminist leadership that their candidate did not win the nomination. I feel for them, it is a devastating blow. But all is not lost. I believe Hillary and Obama will work out what is best for the country. The major issue is how Hillary’s supporters are going to recover from the statements made that an entire generation of young women are naive. Evidently, the people have spoken. The young women and their Second Wave allies who supported Obama have decided not go with those who offended them by calling them uninformed.
By Renata on 06/11/2008 8:17 am
K K
When Hillary talks about the glass ceiling, some woman cannot relate to her perspective of what that still represents. There are woman of all ages and demographics who for whatever their individual life experiences are, do not buy into the glass ceiling anymore. They see the older generations carrying it around as either a crutch or an unnecessary umbrella, on otherwise sunny days. Sometimes things are not rocket science. Some woman learn about the advancements, actually experiencing them and thriving from living everyday ordinary lives. An African American is running for President. And he seems to have achieved the milestone without using, buying into the litmus test of his he worthy because of his race. The women who continue to walk out the glass ceiling analogies, seem to be slower, taking two steps forward, one step back.
By K K on 06/11/2008 12:22 pm
rocky rocky
Hi Kip. Two thoughts: (1) I get the feeling that the argument you are using may lean toward “blame the victim.” — true? (2) If in you are saying there is no longer a glass ceiling, then brava. But I think I want to see more proof before I celebrate. Where sexism was once blatant and unapologetic, today I see it more often as subterfuge — so often in fact that it can be very difficult to recognize those occasions when someone is being neutral or even a feminist. The fact is that men still rule the world—church, state, military, economy, arts, communications, science, technology …
By rocky rocky on 06/11/2008 1:09 pm
K K
**(1) I get the feeling that the argument you are using may lean toward “blame the victim.” — true?** Absolutely not, that mentality doesn’t occur to me, but I can appreciate why you ask, as my comments were simplistic and too broad. I just think there is an established reality now that many women are beyond the generic labels “glass ceiling” once implied. I’m not naive to believe discrimination doesn’t exist, I just think it sells women short characterizing us as always having to struggle and fight, when many successes already exist and thrive in the mainstream of everyday life, which has lent itself to a positive domino effect. When any politician says, “We need to break the glass ceiling,” I personally see that as pandering, a code if you will, defining women in general in a limiting way. I can’t personally relate to it. I see the younger women of today free of that glass ceiling outlook, particularly the ones who are supporting Obama. Perhaps they see his entire life immersed in strong women and he appears to savor it, not just respect it without the weight of labels confusing any of it’s true value. I’ve lived a very loving, comfortable life… so in essence, my perspective is built on that. I don’t dare speak for every woman. But I love the new young female energy in the world.
By K K on 06/11/2008 5:43 pm
beverly linens
Those of us whose lifetimes span the before as well as after, the problem seems to be to somehow stop the younger generation from giving back all the hard won progress. Quit pretending that it is over and you can relax, because with all the ugly words aimed at Hillary indicated that there are a lot of battles left to fight. Just wait until you find how invisible an old woman becomes.
By beverly linens on 06/15/2008 10:32 pm
Elisabeth S
Mugsy, Frannie Em, Beth Willis, Deni et.al.-; where are y’all? This site is boring and pretentious without your discussions. Why don’t we choose a topic of our own to discuss; so many important issues have been raised here.
By Elisabeth S on 06/11/2008 4:17 pm
Renata
For all the WoWers voting for John McCain in a fit of pique — can one of you volunteer to teach him how to use a COMPUTER. He confirmed this week he doesn’t know how. This is taking PRIVILEGE too far methinks….
By Renata on 06/11/2008 4:21 pm
K K
Once they train him to use a computer, they can email him this: The McCain Loyalty Oath for Women I _______________ pledge to transfer my support from Hillary Clinton to John McCain. I agree to do all I can do to get McCain the vote. In order to achieve this noble goal I promise to support McCain’s… * fight to overturn Roe v. Wade and my right to choose. * fight against equal pay for men and women. * opposition to providing low-income and uninsured women and families with health care services ranging from breast and cervical cancer screening to birth control. * opposition to sex education and support of abstinence-only education. * opposition to insurance covering birth control. * endorsement of women’s rights more “in theory” than in practice. * pet name for his wife. As a woman I promise to apply McCain’s principles to my own life and vow to… * call myself and my female friends the C word. * picket abortion clinics. * not use contraceptives. * drink bleach so I don’t catch HIV and drink Mountain Dew so I don’t get pregnant. * give back part of my salary to male coworkers. * not vote, but pursue education and encourage my father/husband/brother male friends to vote for McCain. Once McCain is elected, I will continue to support him and I will not complain about my losing my right to choose, and other reproductive freedoms. And I will continue to refrain from pursuing equality for women. Signature ____________ http://www.236.com/blog/w/katie_halper/loyalty_oaths_for_hillary_supp_70…
By K K on 06/11/2008 5:51 pm
Jackpot  009
on the flip side of all your negativity of hillary…. probably most of you privilidged women, wanted her to stand by her man, because that’s what (according to men) they want you to do … you wanting to please your man, did just that…now you persecute her for it….sheesh! next, the v.p. office was powerful for cheney because he only accepted the job on the basis that the did not want to be considered running for president after george bush’s term…period! and in retrospect after 8 years of their greed and near collapse of this country’s financial system, they did not need anymore time to steal/and line their corporates co-horts bank accounts….i guess, what ,3 trillion is enough!? ….and i have been wondering what is enough for the repubs…guess we all just found out…3 trillion… we might consider that cheap….if john mc cant’s is elected…! and quite frankly, she should absolutely NOT accept second fiddle… she would have more power in the senate, with all these good old boy’s leaving soon, she’ll have additional power as a senior senator…..however i do think out of respect, he should ask - and she should respectfully decline…..all publically!!! the so-called news outlets, need to be very ashamed to have so vilified her publically for so many months… as far as uneducated white women/or women in general, or seniors or what ever you want to call us….that’s rude…many of us may not have degrees such as you privilidged do, it still doesn’t mean we are ignorant or stupied as you seem to imply….we were blue collar, white collar, technical/ trade school workers….workers that were at one time credable, hard working, got up every morning, did the best we could do, were loyal, had ethics and were american as the rest of you….use to be called the fabric and backbone of this country…. oh, do i seem angry, maybe just a little, in the mere 8 years of george bush’s regime/coup…..my pitiful 401k was taken and ravaged by the big bad corporate structure./.. not once but twice so yes my hard worked savings wiped out in one 8 year stint…and i’m just one angry, bitter, old white senior woman, lumped in with blue collar workers, and hispanics, that’s how npr catorgized us….you people are shameless…!!!! is there a god? yes it’s called the almighty dollar…. .
By Jackpot 009 on 06/11/2008 5:47 pm
K K
When children who have entitlement attitudes don’t get what they want, they behave in unattractive ways. This is what Hillary did at random times during her primary campaign. I don’t consider it sexism or sexist to find it unappealing, I found it unpleasant, simply unpleasant to witness, not up to what she should be engaging in at her level of leadership. btw, I was raised in Michigan in a pro-union working class home. This has never left me.
By K K on 06/11/2008 6:12 pm
Jackpot  009
to; kip, very nicely said….point well taken, wonder how many other well-situated women pontificating of this site will get it….? many women have these rights because of their well-financed personnal situation….and many do not…
By Jackpot 009 on 06/11/2008 6:13 pm
Jackpot  009
and p.s. sure wouldn’t want to offend….any of YOU OBOOB -BOTS! LOL
By Jackpot 009 on 06/11/2008 6:16 pm
Michael Salling
Perhaps one day Air Force One will go down in a “snowstorm” and a man we knew little or nothing about who was picked to “balance the ticket” (a closet right to lifer?) will succeed to the office of President to the World, and we’ll all rue the day that Senator Obama did not stand up to his Hillary hating supporters and do in his heart what he knew to be the right thing by choosing her as his running mate — no, I’m not playing the ‘assassination card’, and Sen. Clinton wasn’t either — she’s a realist — they don’t call it the USKKKofA for nothing, and it didn’t start at Trinith United, the largest UCC congregation in the world — does anyone know what percentage of American presidents have been assassinated or the victim of an attempted assination? I think it started with Andrew Jackson, in 20th century we know that Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, Nixon, and FDR were all subject to assassination attempts or plots
By Michael Salling on 06/11/2008 6:26 pm
kermie b
But not Bush.
By kermie b on 06/12/2008 2:27 am
nancy hart
Hilary as VP no way, she would run her own little game, she would bring her people in and she and Bill would run a side show. They had their turn. She has been there but she may us help in other ways. As a big Oama supporter I say No VP for her!
By nancy hart on 06/11/2008 8:22 pm