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Conversation | 06/06/2008 6:26 pm

Liz Smith on Hillary: 'A Lot of Obama's Supporters Would Just Die if He Chose Her'

© AP

Editor’s Note: Sen. Clinton announced this week that she is going to give her support to Sen. Obama and give up the race. What happens to the vice presidency now? Who do you think Obama will choose? Do you think he, in order to unite the party, will choose Hillary as his running mate? These are the questions we posed to Liz, Mary, Judith and Jane.

LIZ: I just had lunch with one of Hillary’s backers, a person who is an aide to Hillary. And she says that she always encouraged her to try and get the vice-presidential slot if she couldn’t win the presidency. But now she feels that Obama probably won’t offer it, because they really don’t want her. They just want her to campaign for him, but they don’t want her to be vice president. Imagine the baggage she would have as the vice president – she and Bill. The vice president doesn’t have very much to do – just serves at the will of the president; presides over the Senate. And, while it’s the second most important job, it’s kind of a nothing job. It’s a strange thing.

MARY: But the current vice president has been very powerful.

JUDITH: You haven’t pointed out that it’s second in line to the presidency.

LIZ: That’s right. That’s the advantage.

JUDITH: I think she should go for a good job. She’s got a bargaining position, and the Supreme Court would be ideal for her. But when Sen. Obama gave his victory speech, it sounded suspiciously like he might offer her something terrible, like being head of H.H.S.[Dept. of Health and Human Services].

LIZ: This person, the one who’s her aide, doesn’t believe she would want to be in the cabinet.

JUDITH: I would think not, especially H.H.S., which is such a difficult position.

LIZ: Well, I think she’d make a dandy secretary of state. I can see her traveling around the world to restore the reputation of this country, at the will of her president. Or, she can remain the senator of New York and bide her time and see what happens. My friend believes that whatever her faults were in this campaign should be blamed on Mark Penn who refused to set up any kind of grassroots thing for her and didn’t use the Internet properly. So Obama took all of that away from them. Most of Hillary’s people now really blame this guy. And for all of her faults in the campaign, she remains a very dedicated and capable and driven kind of person. And we’ve got to remember — 18 million Americans wanted her for president.

Look at Hillary’s enormous support among these older, uneducated women in America, and how marginalized they are by everybody else – like they don’t count. And she really made them count. And I don’t think there’s any way they can vanquish her. I think she’ll come back in one way or another. And Obama’s not ignoring that. He’ll do something, I think. He’ll offer her something – maybe something she really wants.

JUDITH: The things on her list of what she wants were on the domestic side — not on the foreign affairs side. What would be more powerful than the Supreme Court?

LIZ: I don’t know, though. I feel, Judith, it’s too sort of sedentary for her.

JUDITH: Really?

MARY: Don’t you have to have some legal background?

JUDITH: You don’t have to have been a judge, no. You have to be a lawyer, which she is.

LIZ: She’s a good lawyer.

JUDITH: Yes, she’s a lawyer. And if she wants to advance those issues, which were all domestic issues, I would think that that would be the place. And it’s a much better job than being president, much less vice president.

LIZ: Well what do you think, Mary?

1157 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Marjorie C.
My Alias: For what it’s worth I just read that a CNN poll taken June 4-5, 54% of Democrats (made of of 60% women/ 46% [typo ?] men) want Hillary as VP. 43% were opposed to the idea. It didn’t say where the poll was taken. Apparently those folks see something most of us do not see, or someone is seriously worried about what Hillary might walk off and do.
By Marjorie C. on 06/06/2008 2:49 pm
To the beach ~~~
McCain’s approval numbers have steadily fallen since Dec http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/06/rahm-emanuel-mccain-prote_n_105… In EVERY SINGLE POLL Obama is ahead of McCain and when he picks a VP like Senator Chuck Hagel (ie that gets the southern while male/’security issue’ vote…he will win in a walk: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_electi… Arianna Huffington on Jay Leno why Hillary lost (beside running a poor campaign that is now $30M in debt, not using the Internet) IS because of her 2/2003 WAR vote. Between Huffingtonpost, Daily Kos, and a few other sites there are OVER 18 million ACTIVIST mostly anti-war. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-tv/arianna-on-leno-talks-abo_b_105354… Hillary SERVED on the Board of the Yale Law Review. Obama was the first black man voted—out of a field of 19—to be the PRESIDENT of the Harvard Law Review….this is a very prestigious and hard to win post….HE was so highly thought of that he was also selected from his Harvard class as most likely to become US President. “You should not underestimate the significance of him being the first black president of the Harvard Law Review because that was and remains a very elite group,” said Bell, now a law professor at New York University. “These were some tough folks… . It’s almost as impressive that he was elected president of the Harvard Law Review as him being elected senator of Illinois.” The majority of his fellows Senators and the world newspapers agree. Despite the constant mud slinging of HRC supporters….the best candidate won..and he will be the next President of the US. He is an outstanding individual and IS the President for the times, and the one who can bring change to WDC. Hillary was a Republican before she was a Democrat and she is part of the establishment—-Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton. No thanks. Words and ads are not facts even though Hillary went $30 million into debt manufacturing them and now has to bargain to have others pay her debts.
By To the beach ~~~ on 06/06/2008 7:31 pm
phyllis Doyle Pepe
I don’t think Woodward wrote a biography of Hillary; I do know that Carl Bernstein did.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 06/07/2008 9:40 am
Buh- Bye
oops, a misspeak. of course it was bernstein. I just had my sniper fire moment woodward/bernstein/watergate
By Buh- Bye on 06/07/2008 11:34 pm
To the beach ~~~
You are amazingly myopic and cynical. Terry McAulliff on Larry King: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-tv/arianna-on-larry-king-liv_b_105878… “Why This Fifty-Five Year Old White Lifelong Republican Wants Obama To Win” by Frank Schaeffer “This is a great day for those of us who have been fighting for Senator Obama! I’m a good example of why he’ll win in November. I’m the least typical Obama supporter. [ie 55 yr old white GOP military-type male] And there are many more like me.” Link to article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/why-this-fifty-five-year_b… New York Times: Infighting within Clinton Camp and Old Style Campaigning in New Age: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/us/politics/08recon.html?_r=1&partner=… Hillary’s Main Mistakes From Politico: 1) Hubris Hillary didn’t just sell the press and the public on her inevitability as the general election candidate; she sold herself the same bill of goods, “I’m in it for the long run. It’s not a very long run. It will be over by February 5.” Hubris was the campaign’s fatal flaw, from which the others, both strategic and tactical, derived.’ 2) The Iraq War Vote” “The 202 vote authorizing military intervention and her damning admission that she did not read the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq before voting has haunted Clinton since, and opened up a space for an anti-war candidate in this year’s primary. When you have voted the wrong way on the signature issue of the change election, it’s very difficult to position yourself as the change candidate,” Eskew continued. “The whole energy in this campaign was [in] being anti-war. Obama’s consistent opposition to the war, from the outset to the present, helped build his brand and voter base, and plugged him in to a network of small-contribution donors that continues to fuel his record-setting fundraising.” 3) An Old-Fashioned, Offline Campaign: “The spectacular internet fundraising success of Howard Dean’s 2004 primary run seemed to have had little impact on Clinton, who’d built a tremendous network of old-school big-money donors. Fundraising online might have been more difficult for Clinton, considering how much of HER SUPPORT came FROM the ESTABLISHMENT. Obama spent $6.8 million on web advertisements from the beginning of the campaign through the end of April, while Clinton spent just $350,000. When she finally caught on — spending more on online advertising in March and April than in the previous 14 months. _____________________ SUPERDELEGATES. HILLARY’S BEEN IN THE SENATE 6 YEARSOBAMA 4 YEARSBY A WIDE MARGIN THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW THEM BEST WENT FOR OBAMA. THE DNC HAS BEEN RUN BY THE CLINTONS FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS DNC WENT 147.5 CLINTON, 224.5 OBAMA, 42.5 UNDECIDED HOUSE OF Representatives 75.5 CLINTON, 123 OBAMA, 29 UNDECIDED Senators 13 CLINTON, 32 OBAMA, 4.5 UNDECIDED. [VERY TELLING VOTECOWORKERS] #1 PLACE WHERE SHE SHOULD HAVE THE EDGE HE WON BY LARGE MARGIN—-US SENATE ALSO STUPID TO VOTE OBAMA? STATE BY STATE DELEGATE VOTES; http://www.politico.com/superdelegates/
By To the beach ~~~ on 06/08/2008 1:56 am
Ken Jarvis
But, SHE Was VP when Bill was in. Doesn’t THAT count.
By Ken Jarvis on 06/06/2008 11:33 am
Buh- Bye
lol Ken. True.
By Buh- Bye on 06/06/2008 5:47 pm
Mugsy Peabody
Ms. Wagner, you are one of the most intelligent, cultured, sophisticated people on this website. You should never feel less than you are, an angel among us. I’m just sorry you didn’t contribute more to this conversation. It would have been interesting to hear what you had to say. By the way, Ms. Wells, the right term is Sen. Clinton, not Mrs. Clinton.
By Mugsy Peabody on 06/06/2008 9:18 pm
Mugsy Peabody
Here is the link for Sen. Clinton’s magnificent speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm5hQDFfRvA
By Mugsy Peabody on 06/08/2008 2:22 am
christina haskin
NO Hillary for VP or Secretary of State. She is not a good choice for either. She could have a role in the administration perhaps something new. The head of a new department on WOMEN’S ISSUES.
By christina haskin on 06/06/2008 7:13 am
Renata
We don’t have QUEENS. It’s already half an hour LATE and those assembled — including MEDIA — in DC to hear “the speech” are WAITING in 95 degre heat…as they always do…throughout HRC’s Campaign…and Bill’s entire Administration. Keeping Americans waiting is a tired model. Barack Obama is on time. Enough said.
By Renata on 06/07/2008 11:17 am
To the beach ~~~
Christina—-Just FYI. JFK did that first, too, when he created the “President’s Council on the Status of Women.” But then he also joked when asked by the GREAT Helen Thomas at one of his regular press conferences, “Mr. President, What have you done for women lately?’ “Well, I don’t know, Miss Thomas, but whatever it is I’m sure it isn’t enough.” Ha. Still makes me laugh.
By To the beach ~~~ on 06/07/2008 1:48 pm
Renata
Michelle Obama is a REAL modern feminist. Americans will see. HRC is positioning to frame herself as the leader of a huge feminist majority, but her isolating women of color of every persuasion — reflected in her inability to raise enough to cover her bills — represents the older version that pits itself AGAINST others. The Obamas are FOR consensus and focusing on what we share. Better model. Modern model. The young KNOW this. Younger boomer women are with them. We understand older women and “hard working, very hard working…white Americans” are not. We respect their choice, but their nos. are diminishing every day. Progress and the natural order of things.
By Renata on 06/07/2008 3:26 pm
MaryPage Drake
I think Hillary’s best service to the country and the party will be as Senator from New York. She can be a powerhouse there and an indispensable help to President Obama.
By MaryPage Drake on 06/06/2008 7:16 am
Anne B.
As always, very interesting conversation! I would agree that the VP slot would not be a good fit. If the goal is to truly help the American people….. then the Senate is the place to be. There is a profound difference between chasing power and doing good. As senator, she has the capacity to truly serve the people! I have never seen the idea presented before of McCain/Clinton….I am a bit surprised Marjorie! Always interesting thoughts here!
By Anne B. on 06/06/2008 7:24 am