Conversation | 06/16/2008 12:00 am
Advice to Those About to Marry: Don't! Here's Why ...

LIZ: Here’s my advice to those about to marry: Don’t. Take the money. Take the money and buy yourself a fabulous apartment and don’t spend the money on the wedding. It is the biggest throwaway and means nothing later. It’s the biggest waste of money and effort that I’ve ever heard of. It’s like a big party where you just blow everything out; you have nothing left. It’s got to cost $30,000.
MARY: That’s what I told my oldest daughter, who is the genius in the family, when she got married. And I went into that in spades, and said exactly what you just said.
JUDITH: And what’d she do?
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MARY: She wanted the biggest wedding that New York ever saw.
LIZ: My, God, Mary, that’s amazing. I thought she was smart.
MARY: She is. She has propelled herself through her job and up, up, up, up, by just being so wise. But when it came time to actually get married, something from all those little fairy-tale books that she read when she was little came through. I think you carry that stuff in a backpack in your head. And she just wanted the glamour and the huge … the romance of the whole vision. And we did. She had the biggest dress with the longest train and the most people. We actually had a church wedding; and this is the daughter who probably went to church twice in her life.
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JANE: Did she stay married?
MARY: Yes. Judith, you’re planning a wedding for your daughter, are you not?
JUDITH: I am. And it’s going to be a dignified, small wedding taking up one afternoon, not a week out of people’s lives, much less a year out of her and my lives. I think Liz is right. It’s become meaningless and, not to say vulgar, and ostentatious. There’s a huge industry promoting that. What drives me crazy is that they’re always promoting expensive things under the name of, “It’s proper to do this,” or “People expect it.” And they’re the very things that are condemned by etiquette, which is not in the business of telling people to go into debt. But the ritual itself, if it could be hacked back to what it’s supposed to be, can be very lovely. And I’m hoping my daughter’s wedding will be; my son’s wedding was.
But people spend a year putting on something that’s a cross between the Academy Awards and a reality show; a romance movie about themselves. And the notions that have been perpetrated such as, “It’s going to be a perfect day.” Well, that’s one way to set you up for a fall. And saying that it’s whatever the bride wants or whatever the couple wants. Rather, it’s a social ritual which can also be religious as well as civic, in which you enter into one of the forms of the society and people value this very much.
JANE: It’s something to remember. You’re creating a memory.
JUDITH: Well …
MARY: Also, I think fantasy is a healthy thing. I don’t think fantasy is such a bad thing. I mean, we’re all hard workers and today people work harder than they ever did, really. And you could see that they respond to fantasy. You see all these crazy fantasy shows on television. Everybody needs some dreams, some beauty. And it’s a feeling that they’re in a kind of a fairy-tale world …
JUDITH: But a lot of their dreams turn out to be nightmares, not only for themselves but for everybody else concerned, because there are things that are dropped from this – such as consideration for one’s guests or living within one’s means. And the brides are overstressed. The guests are often mistreated in various ways …
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So, actually, you don’t mean ‘don’t get married’- you mean ‘turn off the marriage machine’. Reverse the brain-washing process, strip the whole thing back to the absolute basics (2 people and an officiator), and then thoughtfully add back in the elements that matter to you (perhaps applying that accessories rule of taking off 2 as soon as you think you are at the right level). Recast it in terms of what the point of the wedding is about.
In the nicest weddings that I have been to there always seems to come a moment in the ceremony in which the sense of it being an ‘event’ stops and there is a stillness, when everybody gathered together is ‘in the moment’, which becomes a shared moment. And after that, all the rest is just a gathering of people who have shared a lovely moment and are happy to be together.
My wedding sounds like that Nancy Sinatra song, ‘Jackson.’ You know, ‘We got married in a fever’, blah, blah, blah. I got married in the basement of the Reno, NV Court House. We were both so drunk we didn’t even know what date it actually was. I had on the same clothes that I had been gambling in all day. When I called my parents to let them know and to wish my father Happy Father’s Day, he responded with, ‘the cad finally made an honest man outta himself.’ The best part of this type of wedding ‘fairy tale’ is that when you get divorced you don’t have the pictures, the dress, the memories, and the debt to drag along as excess baggage.
I never had that little girl dream of getting married. In fact, I always told my parents that I was going to live with them forever. They should have listened to me because I came back home 19 years ago and never left again. Don’t get me wrong, I have enjoyed and participated in friend’s weddings. I have been a great donor of bridesmaid’s dresses to the prom dress closet for young women who can’t afford to buy a dress. I agree that the spectacular, expensive weddings that are being done nowdays are a big waste of money. It could be used to pay down student loans, eliminate credit card debt, and if you are lucky make a down-payment on your first house, condo, apt. together. Maybe it isn’t the knight on the white horse, but it is a lot better than starting your life together saddled in debt.
That sounds like my wedding C A, only not as much alcohol was involved. He called me at work on a Friday morning because all his patients had canceled. We got a license from the courthouse but there was no one available to marry us. So we (with a couple of friends, his father, and his father’s lady friend) had lunch in a local deli. Then we drove to another courthouse where there was a judge available in the afternoon. So we got married and then I went back to the office. He had patients on Saturday so on Sunday we went on a 1-day honeymoon to a local resort. The marriage lasted four years, which was about three and a half years too long.
I agree with Liz, these $30,000 weddings are beautiful…….stressful and further more expensive to everyone attending. Even if it’s just a wedding gift (min.$200) you have to buy new clothes……if it’s out of town you have the travel expense…….Hotel expenses. It goes on and on.
I recently went to a small wedding (not outlandish) but I still had the expensive of a hotel for two nights……..the gifts and my own expenses for the two days of travel time. It cost me $1,000………As my mother would have said…..be grateful Dona you had the $1000 to spend) there have been many times in my life when I couldn’t have done that.
I think a simple wedding ceremony before a judge or minister is wonderful…….Throw a big party after they return from their honeymoon.
Everyone has a good time then.
I got married by a Justice of the Peace in Nevada………couldn’t have gotten any more simple. Had a great marriage that lasted for 37 years.
I remember the weddings of years gone by. Simple…….after the simple ceremony every one had a piece of wedding cake, cup of coffee and watched the bride and groom open their gifts………That was fun………
No stress just sweetness and fun………
I believe that marriage can still be a wonderful institution for the couple that is truly in love. Obviously, there are a variety of financial factors that impinge upon the marital ceremony itself. If there are monetary concerns, then scaling back is probably prudent. But if you can afford to go all-out, then I whole-heartedly endorse fulfilling your dreams. You only go ‘round once…well, maybe four or five times, if you’re in Hollywood, but that’s another story.
A little bit off the subject. But, beginning tomorrow, June 17th, there will be all sorts of weddings in California. It has become one great big party….and the merchandisers are sure to make a killing. The first couple to wed in San Francisco will be a lesbian couple who have been together 50 years. Now, I am as straight as ‘straight arrow’ but one really has to think what that moment will mean to those two ladies.
As for anyone who wants to spend $30,000 for a nuptial ceremony, and if they have the cash, why not? Buy the flowers, it will keep the florist in business; buy the wedding gown, the dressmakers will love you; have a caterer and all your guests will love you; hire a baker for the 3 or 4 tiered wedding cake and the flower girl will thank you; hire a photographer and your children and grandchildren will laugh with you. Do it all.
But if you do not have $30,000 - then cut the flowers from your mother’s garden, make a gown, have your two best aunts prepare the buffet, ask your baker/neighbor to bake the cake and finally arrange for your best friend’s sister who is an amateur photographer to take the wedding pictures. Just enjoy the day. And remember throw birdseed - not rice.
Yes, weddings have changed over the years. My father offered me the price of the wedding to elope, but I wanted the whole nine yards (and I knew my mother would kill me if I didn’t). A long time after, my father was marrying again after my mother passed. We all went to Reno to one of those kitchey wedding chapels. Things were going along fine until I spotted a small window just to the right of the happy couple and the preacher. It set me giggling. It opened into the casino where people were pulling the handles like crazy and sloshing down drinks. It was so bizarre a juxtaposition I couldn’t keep a straight face.
People should do as they wish without going into debt. For me, Trump-style nuptials are de trop.
My first wedding was immediate family and my parents surprised us by buying us a very charming house as a wedding present.
My second husband wanted the lavish event. We compromised on a June ceremony and dinner for 100 guests catered by a Beverly Hills firm and in my parent’s park-like garden. We had the LA Chamber Music Orchestra for music as people arrived and for the ceremony, and a dance band after. I had the simplest Vera Wang style dress possible, had the train cut off, no head gear. Even though I hadn’t wanted it, was quite fun, great memories. The wedding trip was pretty luxe.
I was engaged a third time. But after we finished building our lake resort dream house, I couldn’t go through with it. I pulled the engagement ring off my finger and gave it to my youngest sister when she whined, “Why do you always get everything.” And called him and said, keep the house. It was a fun two year, but no thanks.
No more husbands for me. I like being single.
Amen, amen to the “To the beach” comment “No more husbands (or wives) for me. I like being single.” .
WILL THE PASSENGERS PLEASE REFRAIN FROM USING THE WATER CLOSET WHILST THE TRAIN IS IN THE STATION? THANK YOU.
ROFLMAO Mugsy you crack me up .
Liz, I find your comments amazing coming from a person who attends many grand parties that have to easily top $30 grand to produce. To me a party is a party and throwing money at it is not always the way to make it enjoyable.
Having been a photographer, I have photographed some large and small weddings. The couple is what has made the difference. If they are trying to please other people then it shows.
What I find astonishing is the parties that are thrown for little kids. How many toys, can a child have? And proms, okay the list goes on. We are an extravagant nation at times! When and where is the next party, I need to go buy a new dress!
We were to marry after we left Nam but she was an LT and I was enlisted: the military said that would never happen as we both had too long to go on our enlistments. She was 21 and my world and I was 22. Instead later in complicity with our friends we found a Vietnamese Catholic priest who agreed to marry us on a stand-down in early May of 1967. The LT gave her away and Jonny was my best man. Andi stood for her and her close friends among the nurses had made a bouquet for her. She wore green and I wore green, but that didn’t see to matter much. There were many many of our friends in that small church that day. We were all very happy; the priest even had a glass or two of 33 beer with us for luck. The boys left the hooch for us after actually cleaning it and even left us clean sheets they’d “lifted” from hospital supply. That alone surprised us along with the champagne they’d liberated from the officer’s mess. We had three days together…
and…….?
Peggy: and? lessee, 30 loving years, one beautiful daughter, and then Anne was gone and I’ll never see her like again.