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Conversation | 03/24/2008 12:01 am

Too Close for Comfort?

Joan Juliet Buck

JOAN: Candice, I remember you telling me in 1980 that you absolutely did not make eye contact in the streets of New York.


CANDICE: Oh, well that was 1980, Joan. My God. Now, I’m just arms wide open to my fellow citizens. What I love about New York is — especially a few years ago — is the kind of joy of unexpected contact with people in unexpected situations, or in an exhibit or a play. How people sort of come together as total strangers


JUDITH: In Venice, where we spent a lot of time, people don’t say, “What did you do?” when you come home, they say, “Whom did you see?” Because everybody is out on the street walking, there’s no alternative, and you always run into people. It’s rather charming – unless you’re avoiding them, of course.


JULIA: The only place that I really care about my private space is on a plane or a train. Yesterday I was flying and they were moving people to the back of the plane for weight reasons, and I was all happy with my empty row. And then all these people kept coming back, and I just started looking meaner and meaner. I think that making others uncomfortable in those situations helps you achieve personal space.


JOAN: In the movie house at the mall in Santa Fe when the crunchers come in with the giant bags of popcorn and look as if they’re about to sit in front of me, I start uncontrollably sneezing and coughing. Or I will start humming very loudly. At which point my boyfriend claps his hands over my mouth.


JUDITH: What about personal space at home? Not among obnoxious people out there, but among people you love and live with — nobody sits at my desk, for instance. Or a chair that I like when I’m reading a newspaper.


JOAN: How do you manage that?


JUDITH: You make it known. There’s a term … don’t ask me how I happen to know this, but in bullfighting … there’s a bullfighting term, Querencia, where a bull comes into a totally empty ring — it looks identical in every spot. He picks a spot and defends that spot. And a good bullfighter knows that the bull’s going to be fiercer in defending this particular spot. And why this spot? Nobody knows. Why do I want that chair and not the other chair?

89 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Phoebe Weber
I usually have no problem sharing my personal space except in supermarkets. I can’t stand when I’m at the cash register and paying my bill and the person behind me comes up so close that I can touch them. I have been known to tell them to step back.
By Phoebe Weber on 03/24/2008 10:49 am
LaRue Stanley
OMG! Yet another thing that drive me batshit! Do they think that the closer they stand to you, the faster the cashier will check you out? I once asked a woman to step back but I waited until I was in such a state to speak to her that my words and attitude were so mean and angry that she got so upset and left the store. It made me realize that I just have to calm down in those situations and breathe. My other strategy is to put my cart between me and the next person in line. That keeps them at bay.
By LaRue Stanley on 03/24/2008 3:53 pm
Sherry W
Hellooooo, back up people! I’ve tried the cart thing, the bar you put at the end of your stuff, and still there’s someone who is pushy enough to pee ya off. I try to be nice, but when I think about how I’m the one who has to load my vehicle, drive home, carry it in and put it all away. So get the heck away! I told one person that this may take me some time and that there were several other isles open…she said no thanks, I’ll wait. I’m so mean that I procrastinated more and more; ya know, chattering, etc. ,which I never do! Low and behold, she went to another register. Also, why do people insist on riding your ass while driving in a 45 mph zone? Do they think they’ll get there faster? Man I’ve prayed for a bumper sticker….:) Sherry CW
By Sherry W on 04/18/2008 2:44 am
joan larsen
Frankly, gals, when we are in public - in the city crowds and in what I call “mass transit” , emphasizing “MASS” these days where intrusions on our space often comes with the sheer bulk of some people hanging too close - we have to agree that this IS life in the present. We may not like, but we have to accept or we ruin our own day in so doing. More often than not, we have no control. But AH! there is a great difference at home — or, let’s say, there can be. As a writer, I need my own space to pour out my thoughts and it has to be private and the setting just right. My own room is in shades of the yellow of the sun, and the door closes tightly. Surrounding me of my personal treasures - most reminding me of a certain time, a certain person that mades me smile. Lots of glass, books that have left lasting memories, a chaise lounge (eat your heart out!), and the computer front and center on a wall filled with paintings and photos that are the essence of me. My hideaway, my dream world where I am never disturbed makes forays into the world beyond more than tolerable. It is all on how you look at life to be honest. When out, it is sometimes a chance encounter that has opened my world, given me grist for the writing mill, and hopefully, an opportunity to add to another’s life. As to the latter, isn’t that what life should be anyhow - giving??
By joan larsen on 03/24/2008 11:01 am
Tammy Moore
I survived being attacked in 1978. No one invades my space. I’m all for meeting new people but I am very cautious. Crime in this country is rising too!
By Tammy Moore on 03/24/2008 11:17 am
LaRue Stanley
Joan…my kind of woman! I once had an acting teacher who was into identifying your aura; a boundary of sorts which surrounds you, through which people can pass only with permission (otherwise you feel vulnerable, open to attack). I don’t know if you are born with this or whether the radius of it fluctuates with time and conditioning, but I knew the minute she told me that mine extended about 3 feet in all directions, she had defined something about me that I had long suspected. I came to see this as my own radar for how I feel about someone or how someone feels about me or how how big of a threat they might pose. I’ve always been a loner, which is funny because most people see me as gregarious and fun and they tend to gravitate towards me. I love that, but only for a while. Then I want to go back to my cave and close the door and think my own thoughts and be in own little world, sans distraction. I grew up with 2 brothers and later a sister. My father was in the military and we moved quite a bit. My brothers and I weren’t close and my mother was mostly concerned with them and my father so I learned to fend for myself. Consequently, I am never bored and have embraced the loner life. Its sometimes a huge strain (not to mention drain) to be around other people, especially when you don’t choose them. I quit a $100K job because I simply could not be in proximity to a co-worker who was on the phone all the time…it really upset my equilibrium. It’s nice to be with your friends, but only for a limited time. Not ever having had a husband or children has been a good choice for me. I would not have been happy if there were always someone else around, especially if I had to deal with them all the time. I’ve recently come to live with my 81 year old mother and I’m finding it difficult to have someone else in my space and having to acknowlege them several times a day. I’m sure this seems unnatural to some but I’ve learned that being who you are is just fine…even if no one understands it but you. And…I think I have finally found the at-home job I’ve been looking for and the perfect place to do it…surrounded by 8 acres of trees and grass. Now if I could just get my mother to stop telling me about her soaps…!
By LaRue Stanley on 03/24/2008 11:24 am
Joan Juliet Buck

La Rue—and Wendy Dardine—- we are part of the tribe of the touch-me-nots.Fine and gregarious and pleasant sorts until our escape route is cut off, and then…the Vapors. I once fainted  on that strantge tube you have to go through to get on an airplane—theres’ something about people standing in front, behind, around  , waving slighty, that makes me literally  swoon . Has either of you ever fainted from the close proximity of others? This is all called claustrophobia. And elevators are hell. 


By Joan Juliet Buck on 03/24/2008 4:50 pm
Julie R.
So I’m not the only one. At work or at home I hate being interrupted. I can choose to work nights, and I do…because I get 3x the work done in 1/3 the time. Agitation-that’s what I experience if I get too many interferences coming my way…always been like that, probably always will.
By Julie R. on 03/29/2008 5:08 pm
Suzanne Frazier
Oh, La Rue, do I know your stance in life. I have the same one. I found a book that helped explained by I respond the way I do to crowds, loud noises and general confusion. You might find it helpful. The Highly Sensitive Person by Elaine Aron, PhD. According to her, we are not such strange ducks. I grew up with a mother who told me all the time that I was TOO Sensitive. I thought I was such a bad person being sooooooo sensitive. But like you a found my place in life and my sensitiveness is my door to a life as a full time artist and writer. Sometimes it just takes time to find your place in life, but when you do, it’s wonderful! PS. I have no children and no husband. Very liberating and like you I’m never bored!
By Suzanne Frazier on 03/30/2008 12:05 pm
beth willis
Suzanne, I have that book, recommended to me by a psychologist. This same psychologist’s response when I had lost both of my parents in a 9 month periow was, “So, you’re an orphan now”. Guess he forgot that sensitive part. I am much more comfortable in a cast of a thousand strangers than in the mere thought of a more intimate setting for which people have expectations. Also, I am not one to ask for autographs or otherwisw intrude on celebrity. Once at the San Francisco Airport, we encountered the marvelous comedian John Biner. We were in the same stair well, in close proximity, and didn’t want my husband to overlook the experience, so I introduced them to one another, “John Biner, I’d like you to meet John Willis.” They were both so stunned, they shook hands, and each said,”So nice to meet you,” and then we all went on with our lives…5 seconds top and we had a memory.
By beth willis on 04/24/2008 1:17 pm
Tammy Moore
LOL! LaRue, I have a friend who solved that problem with her mother by getting her a life size cut-out of George Straight. She thinks he’s a nice man and just loves to listen to her and unlike most men. He doesn’t talk back. I applaud you for looking out for your mother.
By Tammy Moore on 03/24/2008 12:15 pm
LaRue Stanley
Tammy, what a great idea. Does anyone know where I can get a life-sized cutout of Tom Selleck? That oughta do it.
By LaRue Stanley on 03/24/2008 3:57 pm
Cj Free
I love people & conversation. My personal space is invaded when someone stands directly in front of me. I can’t breath - Back up and we can talk about almost anything. Raised with three siblings have taught me how to zone out interference and I’m just as comfortable being alone. I actually enjoy the state of silence. My only-child husband is just shy of requiring an announcement upon your approach. He is undeniable a loner. It is definitely something to get use to, especially for children.
By Cj Free on 03/24/2008 12:43 pm
Joanne Grant
I love Joan’s idea for the movie theatre to start coughing……haha! I get very uncomfortable having to share my armrest with strangers. I will find a drive-in movie to watch my film of choice rather than sitting in a theatre if possible. Is it an age thing? I am getting worse about it as I get older. If I have to go to a theatre I try to be just a tad late and find some seats that are off to themselves with no one close by. There must be a phobia name for this…LOL Thanks for sharing this conversation…I thoroughly enjoyed.
By Joanne Grant on 03/24/2008 1:19 pm
Tammy Moore
Drive-in? Where? I haven’t seen one in years!
By Tammy Moore on 03/24/2008 1:34 pm