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Conversation | 11/07/2008 5:00 am

Post-Election Postmortem: Did the Election Help or Hurt Women in Politics?

JOAN:  I think it will dismember it; she appeals to the majority of the base. The base is 28 percent of the American electorate. And that means all the intellectuals in the Republican party who have already turned on her will not support her. I think it would be cataclysmic for that party, but I don’t think it will happen. She may try, but my bet is she would not make it. And, of course, four years is a lifetime in politics. We have no idea what … who the country would see as a potential leader by then.

JANE: I don’t think she will last. I think she’ll fade. Or she’ll go back to Alaska. Maybe if she does something stunning there. But she does have charisma. And when I first saw her, I thought she was like Jean Arthur in topsy-turvy versions of her movies, didn’t you? I mean, she seemed to have charm. And her speech, I thought, was so well delivered that I thought she was a star.

MARLO: She is a star.

JANE: She is a star. Exactly.

MARLO: And she’s funny. And she’s brave and she’s bold.

JANE: She is brave. I know.

MARLO: She’s very brave and bold and she seems fearless.

JANE: We want that from a woman.

JOAN: She’s also ignorant and maybe stupid. I mean, many people who know her don’t think she’s terribly smart. She’s quick. She’s a quick study.

JOAN: She has no depth of interest in anything.

JANE: And I think her ambition is what made us turn on her. Her ambition to take this kind of job or to take this kind of position, knowing that she’s not prepared for it, or not right for it. 

MARLO: What about Dan Quayle? I mean, he wasn’t qualified or right. I wonder if anybody has the guts to say, “No, I’m not qualified.” Dan Quayle didn’t think he was.

JOAN: He had two terms in the Senate. I don’t think he saw himself as unqualified. He knew the issues a whole lot better than Sarah Palin. He had no presence.

JANE: He couldn’t spell potato and he couldn’t think on his feet

MARLO: But I don’t think he was an overly intelligent fellow. I kind of see them as the same, in terms of the grasp of the issues and ability … well, actually she’s a better speaker.

JOAN: She has a lot more presence. He was never a star. She’s a real star.

JANE: Do you think she tarnishes, enhances or has any long-standing impact on the idea of a woman as a president or vice president? I don’t think she’s helped the cause.

MARLO: I think in the wake of Hillary, Palin’s a non-issue. I just think that Hillary is such a qualified human being, whether you want her for president or not, whether you’re a Republican or Democrat, but she’s a very qualified human being, and held her own on that stage with all those guys, all those men, in all those debates. Sarah Palin could never do that.

JOAN: Yeah, but I think she has moved the needle, as Hillary did. I think it will be far more common, in the future, to have a woman on the ticket if the man is a candidate; that will not be as rare as it has been. And I think both Hillary and Sarah in particular, oddly enough, because she came out of nowhere, whereas we all knew Hillary. She wasn’t exactly the woman candidate. She was “Hillary Clinton.”

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Marjorie C.
Did Palin and Clinton help or hurt women in politics? I think, if nothing else, they opened the door to the possibility of a woman as president. Hillary did very well in the primaries and I think she could have taken the election. That in itself is an indication of a giant step forward. Gov. Palin had a lesser role, but 55.6 million voters were willing to overlook her lack of sophistication, so she pushed the agenda forward, also. It is now up to women to allow other women to succeed.
By Marjorie C. on 11/07/2008 7:31 am
Star Lawrence
It is now up to women to allow other women to succeed That’s it. Right there. Thanks, Marjorie (as always).
By Star Lawrence on 11/07/2008 2:23 pm
Wine Warrior
It is in no way ‘up’ to other woman, or anyone but me if I succeed, which I always have by any measure. Income, title, field, etc. It is always up to me. Period. That is such a completely iilogical idea that any woman’s success is ‘up’ to other women. Anymore than one Asian’s success is tied to other Asians, or one individual black person’s success is determined by other black people, or one man’s by other men.
By Wine Warrior on 11/07/2008 2:35 pm
Chips AHoey
I am with WW on this - it’s not up to other women to succeed, it’s up to the electorate…she lost because she wasn’t qualified and they ran a bad campaign, pure and simple - these things happen all the time onward to the inauguration!
By Chips AHoey on 11/07/2008 2:46 pm
f p
Exactly. McCain/Palin ran a campaign that was rife with outright lies and vituperativeness. I was an unsettling display of pandering to the lowest common denominator.
By f p on 11/11/2008 2:02 pm
Susan B
Yes, Wine speaks truth. Part of the problem is that we give more weight to symbols than deeds. Two X chromosomes does not a perfect candidate make.
By Susan B on 11/12/2008 12:09 pm
mary lou s
after hillary, a qualified woman can run. a woman can run anyway, but after hillary, a qualified woman has a chance.
By mary lou s on 11/07/2008 7:36 am
beth willis
I agree with you mary lou. As Marlo said, Hillary showed us that an extremely qualified person who happens to be a woman, has broken the glass ceiling and is a viable candidate for the highest office in the land. Palin, on the other hand, has taught us that we still need to vet candidates for ourselves and never vote for a candidate solely because of her gender. Further, political ‘handlers’ are still not beyond manipulating women to get what they want. Palin showed great courage, particularly after her party threw her under the bus. But she will be under the radar until well after she becomes a grandmother. Peace and grace
By beth willis on 11/07/2008 12:08 pm
Chips AHoey
I think this election has leveled the playing field - people who chose their vote to be against Sarah Palin did not do so because she was a woman, they didn’t vote for her because she wasn’t qualified to do the job - in a way, this is progress because she is not a victim, she just lost the race, just like all the other male candidates before her that lost their race - so I think we move onward and upward from here as I posted before, her legacy is that we won’t dance around a female candidate anymore - they will hopefully be treated the same
By Chips AHoey on 11/07/2008 7:56 am
Amelie Poulain
I think this particular election helped women in politics benefit immensely. We had a perfect dichotomy between two women to examine under a microscope which was the best way for us to set our own ideas in motion to define the expectations of who the ideal woman in politics should be. If anyone hurt any party in this election it was McCain and his VEEP selection committee for not doing their due diligence. I have seen better prepared women run for high school Vice president. And frankly, if they ran the idea of Palin by the present leader of the party, George Bush, he would not be the one to notice how qualified ANYONE was for their job in the WH for the past 8 years. I’m just sayin’… All Sarah Palin did was respond with honor and a healthy dose of narcissism in assuming she must be ready. The difference between Palin’s and Clinton’s participation in the election was vast. Hillary worked hard for years to gain 18 million votes that were specifically for HER. Palin was selected by McCain in what appeared to be an Eliza Do-little experiment that failed. The Republicans thought they could gain from the disappointment felt by women everywhere that Hillary didn’t quite make it. The political intelligentsia know she didn’t make it simply because of the wealth of choice, not because she was a woman or because she was unprepared. They underestimated that women expect their women leaders to be ready. Not just have a particular set of chromosomes.
By Amelie Poulain on 11/07/2008 8:01 am
Wine Warrior
They underestimated that women expect their women leaders to be ready. Not just have a particular set of chromosomes.” Amen.
By Wine Warrior on 11/07/2008 3:17 pm
newzie snoozie
After HILLARY, Palin faded off into the darkness. HILLARY IS LIKE THE SUN COMING OUT FOR A BEAUTIFUL SUN SHINY DAY. THEN HERE COMES PALIN,DARK, GLOOMY, EVER SO WILLING TO DESTROY ANYTHING SHE CAN. WHAT YOU HAVE JUST READ IARE THE VIEWS OF WE GA,LS AT MY TABLE WAITING TO DISCUSS WHO GETS WHAT AGES FOR OUR NEW SUNDAY SCHOOL CLASSES. WHAT WE WILL BE DOING FOR THE ADVENTURE PART FOR THEM TO ENJOY THEMSELVES. WE ARE WOMEN AND WE WANT SUNSHINE IN OUR HEARTS, PLEASE!!
By newzie snoozie on 11/07/2008 8:08 am
Rita@ Goldivas
Newzie, I wish you would stop with the all-caps. It hurts my eyes, so I’ve never been able to read your posts all the way through.
By Rita@ Goldivas on 11/07/2008 9:51 am
newzie snoozie
Have you read why i type like that with the capitols? I am 70%blind. it helps me. but i am sorry.
By newzie snoozie on 11/07/2008 10:05 am
Steve R
Dear newzie, Most modern operating systems have a magnifier accessory. Some of them are awkward to use, but there are other utilities out there that may do a better job for you. Lowering the screen resolution may be an option, but most sites do not adapt well. Either of these would increase the size of images as well as text. Some sites use such a small base font size that I sometimes increase the size temporarily. I tried setting the minimum font size for my browser, but the results were poor. Good luck and good reading. 8-)
By Steve R on 11/07/2008 11:30 am