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Conversation | 11/07/2008 5:00 am

Post-Election Postmortem: Did the Election Help or Hurt Women in Politics?

JOAN:  I think it will dismember it; she appeals to the majority of the base. The base is 28 percent of the American electorate. And that means all the intellectuals in the Republican party who have already turned on her will not support her. I think it would be cataclysmic for that party, but I don’t think it will happen. She may try, but my bet is she would not make it. And, of course, four years is a lifetime in politics. We have no idea what … who the country would see as a potential leader by then.

JANE: I don’t think she will last. I think she’ll fade. Or she’ll go back to Alaska. Maybe if she does something stunning there. But she does have charisma. And when I first saw her, I thought she was like Jean Arthur in topsy-turvy versions of her movies, didn’t you? I mean, she seemed to have charm. And her speech, I thought, was so well delivered that I thought she was a star.

MARLO: She is a star.

JANE: She is a star. Exactly.

MARLO: And she’s funny. And she’s brave and she’s bold.

JANE: She is brave. I know.

MARLO: She’s very brave and bold and she seems fearless.

JANE: We want that from a woman.

JOAN: She’s also ignorant and maybe stupid. I mean, many people who know her don’t think she’s terribly smart. She’s quick. She’s a quick study.

JOAN: She has no depth of interest in anything.

JANE: And I think her ambition is what made us turn on her. Her ambition to take this kind of job or to take this kind of position, knowing that she’s not prepared for it, or not right for it. 

MARLO: What about Dan Quayle? I mean, he wasn’t qualified or right. I wonder if anybody has the guts to say, “No, I’m not qualified.” Dan Quayle didn’t think he was.

JOAN: He had two terms in the Senate. I don’t think he saw himself as unqualified. He knew the issues a whole lot better than Sarah Palin. He had no presence.

JANE: He couldn’t spell potato and he couldn’t think on his feet

MARLO: But I don’t think he was an overly intelligent fellow. I kind of see them as the same, in terms of the grasp of the issues and ability … well, actually she’s a better speaker.

JOAN: She has a lot more presence. He was never a star. She’s a real star.

JANE: Do you think she tarnishes, enhances or has any long-standing impact on the idea of a woman as a president or vice president? I don’t think she’s helped the cause.

MARLO: I think in the wake of Hillary, Palin’s a non-issue. I just think that Hillary is such a qualified human being, whether you want her for president or not, whether you’re a Republican or Democrat, but she’s a very qualified human being, and held her own on that stage with all those guys, all those men, in all those debates. Sarah Palin could never do that.

JOAN: Yeah, but I think she has moved the needle, as Hillary did. I think it will be far more common, in the future, to have a woman on the ticket if the man is a candidate; that will not be as rare as it has been. And I think both Hillary and Sarah in particular, oddly enough, because she came out of nowhere, whereas we all knew Hillary. She wasn’t exactly the woman candidate. She was “Hillary Clinton.”

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Cynthia Ceilan
Try this, Newzie: press and hold the CONTROL and SHIFT keys, then press + (plus sign). Every time you do that, it increases the size of the type on your screen without affecting how the rest of us see your comments. That might help us all!
By Cynthia Ceilan on 11/07/2008 12:42 pm
rocky rocky
On a Mac, you have to press SHIFT and COMMAND (that’s the key with the apple on it) and then press the + (plus sign). Makes all the type as large as you need it to be.
By rocky rocky on 11/07/2008 10:03 pm
newzie snoozie
Rita, what we girls were saying awhile ago was——- we want sunshine in our days and not the far and gloomy days in us or in ouir sunday school classes. JESUS SAID, DO NOT HIDE YOUR CANDLES UNDER A BUSHELS BASKET. IN OUR OWN WORDS NOT IN JESUS WORDS. we all take one thing , transform it into what we think it says and then BOOM - it all blows up big time. WE sort of hope Sarah P. hides hers under the bushel basket so the next time she is hunting up there in the upper UNITED STATES SHE CAN WORK OUT HER FRUSTRATIONS ON THE CREATURES THAT ROAM in the areas up there like a big ole’ grizzly bear. that is roaming, when she needs the big boom——- so she can kill those not us… nave mercy that seems to be what she is best at. good luck sarah p. with the creatures up there hunny.
By newzie snoozie on 11/07/2008 10:18 am
Susan B
From what I heard yesterday, Mrs. Palin wants to be “plowin’ though those doors” that she’s looking for God to leave open for her. Ooookay, good luck with that. :-) She’s not ready to be leader of the free world. She better be gettin’ ta work on her studyin’.
By Susan B on 11/12/2008 12:15 pm
Ro H
newsie, If you have microsoft word perfect, I believe it has a feature which will enlarge or reduce text, as: Caps or lower level letters. Check it out, , if your friend is still available to help you. That way everyone will be satisfied, Eh? If it doesn’t work for you, you may just have to keep explaining to people you are not able to see the type as easily because of your sight. There is a kind of rule against caps because it is indicative of anger. Just to let you know, in case you don’t already. Aa bit of FYI ?
By Ro H on 11/08/2008 1:46 pm
Lori F.
Are you serious? You can’t be serious? Hillary is one of the weakest females on the Planet! Hillary allowed her husband to cheat on her on many occasions in her marriage, she set a very poor examples for females across the board. She rode her husbands back to a top position and needed him to campaigned for her in the US Senate seat and for Nominee for President. Palin did all this on her own without her husband or a man involved! What sort of female are you? What are you telling women in general to do? Run with a cheating husband and use him to get what you want or go out and achieve the things you want on your own? I personally like Hillary. Its you who have a very small lens when looking at us as women.
By Lori F. on 11/08/2008 12:15 pm
newzie snoozie
WELL DEAR LORI, I HAVE NOT GROWN UP IN YOUR MORE DIFFICULT TIMES , TODAY I HAVE BEEN MARRIED FOR 52 YEARS TO THE SAME MAN WHO HAS TAKEN CARE OF ME AND OUR 6 JKIDS AND A FEW OF OUR 9 GRAND KIDS AND 6 OF OUR 11 GREAT GRAND BABIES. I HAVE NEVER HAD TO WORK EXCEPT WHEN I DECIDED I WANTED TO, HE ALWAYS SAID GO FOR IT HUNNYBUNNY, SO I DID. WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD INSURANCE, HE HAS ALWAYS HAD A JOB HE IS 74 YEARS OLD AND HE IS STILL WORKING. HE IS A MAINTENANCE MAN FOR A HUGH APT, BUILDING BUSINESS, HE IS TH EONE THAT CAN CHANGE A LIGHT BULB IF NEED BE UP TO WORKINH IN THE HOSPITAL BOILER ROOM AND ON THE SIDE FOR WHEN HE IS NEEDED HE GOES TO THE SECURITY DEPT AND ACTUALLY DOES THE WORK IN THERE WHILE ON A COMPUTER SCREAMING OUT THIS TO OTHERS AND SCREAMING OUT ORDERS TO THE NEXT. HE RARELY DOES THAT ANYM ORE. I SORT OF HIT A JACKPOT WHEN I GOT THIS MAN AND HUNNY HE IS A MAN. HIS BROTHER WAS LIKE HE IS HE ALSO RAN THE MAINTENANCE DEPT OUT IN ARIZONA. SO SORRY SWEETIE BUT I’VE NOT HAD TO BE A POOR PERSON WITH A POOR LIFE . I’VE BEEN A CHRISTIAN FOR ALL OF MY LIFE AND WHEN WE BELONG TO GOD TOTALLY HE SO LOVES TAKING CARE OF OUR EVERY NEED. TODAYS POOR GIRLS CAN ONLY LOOK FORWARD TO MARRYING A KID TYPE OF MAN WHO CAN SAY HONEY DON’T FORGET TO CALL THE MAINTENANCE GUY IN THE MORNING FIRST THING. THE KIDS OF TODAY ARE NOT CAPABLE OF LOVING FOR EVER JUST WHILE IT FEELS GOOD . IT IS SO SAD FOR ME TO SAY BUT I WASN’T JUST A GOVERNMENT GROUND BREAKER WHO BROUGHT IN FAMILY PLANNIG, HEAD START ETC. I ALSO GO T BIG BROTHERS AND BIG SISTERS INTO OUR COLLEGES HERE IN OUR AREA. I DO HAPPEN TO KNOW GOD SAYS FORGIVE AND HILLARY IS CAPABLE OF FORGIVING. ARE YOU? NOW DO NOT BE A HI UPSIE BE A DOWN TO EARTH PERSON AND SAY - WELL, THIGNS LIKE , SHE IS FAT ISN’T SHE? WHEN YOU DO NOT KNOW IF SHE IS CARRYING A TUMOR OR AND ETC. STOP -LOOK-LISTEN- THERE ARE THINGS IN LIFE MORE IMPORTANT THEN KNOCKING SOEMBODY DOWN BECAUSE YOU NEED TO FEEL BIG AND UPPITY. KNOW BABY GIRL WHO THE HEY YOU ARE TELLING THEY AREN’T A WOMAN. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO YOU ARE TYPING TO WHEN YOU ARE TYPING TO ME. BYE BYE FOR NOW GOD BLESS AND GOD KEEP HER.-NEED, GIVE HER THE LIFE TRAIL SHE NNEDS BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT IS THE BETTER ROAD FOR HER IN YOUR PRECIOUS SONS NAME , JESUS AMEN AND AMEN.
By newzie snoozie on 11/08/2008 4:40 pm
Sherrie Crews
I think the election overall helped women in politics but I don’t think it had anything to do with Sarah Palin as a viable candidate. For the most part she’s just a bad joke that I think most women would rather just have forgotten. She was the first brunette blond joke.
By Sherrie Crews on 11/07/2008 9:00 am
Star Lawrence
Hey, way to support your gender, Sherrie.
By Star Lawrence on 11/07/2008 2:25 pm
Chips AHoey
so we have to give blind support? isn’t it great, really, that we could NOT vote for Sarah not for sexist reasons but because we thought she wasn’t qualified, didn’t agree with her policies/stance on the issues and/or they ran a horrific campaign? like I posted, I think this election showed we came pretty far - no worries
By Chips AHoey on 11/07/2008 2:49 pm
Tee Zee
So we should support women mass murderers? Women who abuse their power? Women who steal other women’s husbands? We should support women’s issues for the good of everyone, not just for the good of one selfish woman.
By Tee Zee on 11/07/2008 8:15 pm
Wine Warrior
You’re exactly right Sherrie. She is an embarrassment to smart, capable women. And I want no identification whatsoever with ignorant women whose ambition far outpaces their preparation, ability or brains. Palin makes intelligent genuinely able women look bad. I vote for the smartest and most competent not genitals. She is a bad joke. Exactly right.
By Wine Warrior on 11/07/2008 2:38 pm
Dona Howlett
Wine Warrior, Suzanne, I’m too tired today to write much…………. You just stated my opinion as you often do. Thank you!
By Dona Howlett on 11/07/2008 9:38 pm
Wine Warrior
Nice to ‘see’ you Dona. Hope all is very well…and that your back is feeling better.
By Wine Warrior on 11/07/2008 11:35 pm
Cynthia Ceilan
>> “She was the first brunette blond joke.” [heh-heh!]
By Cynthia Ceilan on 11/07/2008 2:46 pm