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Conversation | 11/07/2008 5:00 am

Post-Election Postmortem: Did the Election Help or Hurt Women in Politics?

JOAN:  I think it will dismember it; she appeals to the majority of the base. The base is 28 percent of the American electorate. And that means all the intellectuals in the Republican party who have already turned on her will not support her. I think it would be cataclysmic for that party, but I don’t think it will happen. She may try, but my bet is she would not make it. And, of course, four years is a lifetime in politics. We have no idea what … who the country would see as a potential leader by then.

JANE: I don’t think she will last. I think she’ll fade. Or she’ll go back to Alaska. Maybe if she does something stunning there. But she does have charisma. And when I first saw her, I thought she was like Jean Arthur in topsy-turvy versions of her movies, didn’t you? I mean, she seemed to have charm. And her speech, I thought, was so well delivered that I thought she was a star.

MARLO: She is a star.

JANE: She is a star. Exactly.

MARLO: And she’s funny. And she’s brave and she’s bold.

JANE: She is brave. I know.

MARLO: She’s very brave and bold and she seems fearless.

JANE: We want that from a woman.

JOAN: She’s also ignorant and maybe stupid. I mean, many people who know her don’t think she’s terribly smart. She’s quick. She’s a quick study.

JOAN: She has no depth of interest in anything.

JANE: And I think her ambition is what made us turn on her. Her ambition to take this kind of job or to take this kind of position, knowing that she’s not prepared for it, or not right for it. 

MARLO: What about Dan Quayle? I mean, he wasn’t qualified or right. I wonder if anybody has the guts to say, “No, I’m not qualified.” Dan Quayle didn’t think he was.

JOAN: He had two terms in the Senate. I don’t think he saw himself as unqualified. He knew the issues a whole lot better than Sarah Palin. He had no presence.

JANE: He couldn’t spell potato and he couldn’t think on his feet

MARLO: But I don’t think he was an overly intelligent fellow. I kind of see them as the same, in terms of the grasp of the issues and ability … well, actually she’s a better speaker.

JOAN: She has a lot more presence. He was never a star. She’s a real star.

JANE: Do you think she tarnishes, enhances or has any long-standing impact on the idea of a woman as a president or vice president? I don’t think she’s helped the cause.

MARLO: I think in the wake of Hillary, Palin’s a non-issue. I just think that Hillary is such a qualified human being, whether you want her for president or not, whether you’re a Republican or Democrat, but she’s a very qualified human being, and held her own on that stage with all those guys, all those men, in all those debates. Sarah Palin could never do that.

JOAN: Yeah, but I think she has moved the needle, as Hillary did. I think it will be far more common, in the future, to have a woman on the ticket if the man is a candidate; that will not be as rare as it has been. And I think both Hillary and Sarah in particular, oddly enough, because she came out of nowhere, whereas we all knew Hillary. She wasn’t exactly the woman candidate. She was “Hillary Clinton.”

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babs dennis
hi. just to be clear, the note above is meant as a reply to rita’s problem with my lack of capitalization. it somehow didn’t land where i expected. apologies, babs.
By babs dennis on 11/08/2008 6:02 pm
Marva Marva
Babs, Ditto.
By Marva Marva on 11/07/2008 1:37 pm
babs dennis
double ditto to you marva. and thanks. babs.
By babs dennis on 11/08/2008 6:03 pm
Southern Lady
When I first heard John McCain had picked a woman for his running mate, I thought it was a brilliant move, but when I heard her speak, I knew he was doomed, or the American people were doomed should McCain-Palin be elected. Saturday Night Live hit the nail on the head when they spoofed her as a ” beauty-queen contestant.” Maybe Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton both helped us realize that it’s possible for a woman to be elected to important offices in this country, but we don’t want just a beauty or one with too much baggage. It will be interesting to see what both of them do in the future, and what part each of them will play in our political future.
By Southern Lady on 11/07/2008 9:55 am
DeBúrca obj
I think the women this election helped the most, are the women voters. They will now be taken seriously as informed, serious citizens who cannot be tricked into voting for an unqualified woman candidate who is on the wrong side of the issues that concern women and their families, just because that candidate happens to be a woman. From now on WOMEN VOTERS will be respected and never taken for granted again.
By DeBúrca obj on 11/07/2008 9:55 am
Barbara Taylor
Please don’t speak for all women… “woman candidate who is on the wrong side of the issues that concern women and their families”
By Barbara Taylor on 11/07/2008 10:03 am
DeBúrca obj
Women spoke for themselves with this vote.
By DeBúrca obj on 11/07/2008 10:27 am
Wine Warrior
DeB— Right On! As Lincoln said, “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and some of the people part of the time. But you can’t fool all of the people all of the time” The people you can fool all of the time with fear-mongering propaganda appears to be racists and the GOP base.
By Wine Warrior on 11/07/2008 11:50 am
Ms. Dee
ahem…it’s “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the poeple all of the time.” It’s a good quote. I’m not being snarky. Just wanted to get it right.
By Ms. Dee on 11/07/2008 11:05 pm
Wine Warrior
Ms. Dee, I thought probably didn’t remember it exaclty right and was too lazy to Google, thanks! It is a great quote.
By Wine Warrior on 11/07/2008 11:37 pm
Chips AHoey
very well put - an angle I had not thought of - thanks!
By Chips AHoey on 11/07/2008 12:18 pm
Murnah H
You are right. It’s a big change.
By Murnah H on 11/08/2008 6:26 pm
phyllis Doyle Pepe
You have got to read this: It’s from Nora Ephron–––one of her best. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nora-ephron/thinking-about-bill_b_140926.h…
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 11/07/2008 9:59 am
Elisabeth S
phyllis, Don’t you love Huffpo? Thanks for the links.
By Elisabeth S on 11/07/2008 4:24 pm