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Conversation | 06/04/2008 8:45 am

Lesley Stahl, Cynthia McFadden: Sexism Went Unchallenged During Hillary Campaign

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Editor’s Note: wowOwow welcomes Cynthia McFadden to our lineup of wise women who are making this site the gathering place for informed women on the web. Cynthia is at the top of a distinguished career in journalism, currently serving at ABC News on both “Nightline” and “Primetime Live.” Here, one of wowOwow’s founders, Lesley Stahl, interviews Cynthia on the Hillary Clinton campaign in its final days. Welcome, Cynthia! And more on Cynthia to come from our CEO Joni Evans … but we wanted our community to see this on this historic morning.

LESLEY: Cynthia, welcome to wOw — a floating, non-stop ladies’ lunch! I am delighted that your maiden voyage on our site is a conversation with moi! First, because I always love talking to you, but also because you’ve been spending a lot of your time on this campaign, my favorite topic.

Let’s discuss one of the more distressing issues that has reared its head: sexism. Many of the women who support Hillary are deeply upset and angry at what they perceive as the same old “double standard” that you and I have heard about – and maybe lived — for decades now. In your reporting, have you seen what they are talking about? And more personally, have you felt this misogyny in your own career?

CYNTHIA: As for my career, yes, in my first job as a journalist my boss told me I’d be paid half of what the man who preceded me was being paid. Why? He had an ex-wife and child to support. As for the campaign, yes, I think in ways both subtle and direct sexism has played a role. But it is so ingrained in our culture; it goes largely unnoted and unchallenged. The press is very good at pointing out and decrying racism, thank God, but sexism washes over most of us much of the time.

LESLEY: You’ve interviewed Hillary at least five times during the campaign. We can legitimately say you’re a Hillary expert. I’ve seen a lot of criticism that she has “used” sexism as a campaign ploy to whip up her supporters. Is that the way you see it? And – can I ask you to reflect on your own experience? Do you think this is “helpful” for women? I could have been wrong, but I have gone through my career determined never to come off as a “victim” or to even allow myself to think that my falling short was anything but my own fault.

CYNTHIA: "Victim" isn’t a good place to be. And, like you, I have tried very hard not to ask for special anything (even when the guys do) for fear that somehow I will be seen as expecting or wanting special treatment. And I should say that expecting equal treatment, I have, by and large, received it.

But let me be a bit more specific about my observations … Clinton struggled to find the right tone in her candidacy and she found herself either ridiculed after the famous New Hampshire "cry" as manipulative and girly or lambasted as cold and, well, pardon me, but it rhymes with rich. As retired general Tony McPeak (an Obama supporter) said in an interview after New Hampshire, "Obama doesn’t go on television and have crying fits."

An op-ed piece in a Midwestern newspaper referenced her "frequent wearing of dark pantsuits to conceal her bottom-heavy figure." I am unaware of any similar attention focused on the male behinds in the race.

As for her trying to "use" her sex or charges of "sexism" in the campaign, my observation was talking about gender made her very uncomfortable for some of the same reasons I think we avoid it. She knows "whining" isn’t appealing, even if there are legitimate concerns behind it.

At one point, I asked her why she hadn’t given the “gender speech,” as Obama had done with race. She said she didn’t feel she had to give that speech. That every day she was living the gender speech … just by standing up and saying, "I am the best person to be commander in chief."

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Lorraine Bates
Oh God. Puhleze. If you want to be the woman the penetrates the Good Ol’ Boys Club, you have to be willing to take the arrows. You all know that. If you’re going to whine that you were treated like a girl, you aren’t ready. Be a Broad (capital B) and ignore it. You can’t be a pioneer if you aren’t willing to brave the wild.
By Lorraine Bates on 06/04/2008 9:14 am
Frank Peterson
Lorraine-I have to agree-in a campaign the crap is gonna flow and one has to have a steel heart sometimes to cut through it. And metaphorically a pair, if you will and HRC has those too. Metaphorically.The lady can handle it.
By Frank Peterson on 06/04/2008 11:21 am
Lorraine Bates
LOL Frank - I talked about having a pair of brass balls on a thread a few weeks back and got ripped for it. She does have a pair. Using the tired, “I was a victim of sexism” arguement dumbs down the real reasons she lost, IMHO - dumbs it down for her, and for the women makiong the arguement. Sorry Leslie and Cynthia - you can do better than that!
By Lorraine Bates on 06/04/2008 12:46 pm
Renata
Frank - I haven’t seen evidence that the lady can handle it. Denial isn’t handling it. But, I will give you she’s got a steel heart. Any Democrat who can validate John McCain and his candidacy — certainly does.
By Renata on 06/04/2008 3:26 pm
mary lou s
frank, my problem is that you, as a man, while you had to fight in viet nam, did not have to fight in the streets of america to obtain your civil rights. this is about OUR fight as women.
By mary lou s on 06/04/2008 6:51 pm
Frank Peterson
Mary Lou—it’s everyone’s fight and don’t tell I didn’t fight in the street. I’ve marched with two close gay friends in gay pride parades many times and been spit on, had rocks hit me, have had vile insults thrown at me ,have been struck by fists , have had watched as my wife who was with us nearly trampled by assholes—it’s everyone’s fight Mary Lou. Everyone’s.
By Frank Peterson on 06/04/2008 7:55 pm
mitzi morris
The fight IS everyone’s. But the glaring contradiction is that: Men vote their interest. Blacks vote their interest. Rich vote their interest. Whites vote their interest. Women do NOT always vote their interest. And it is a major reason for sexism being so alive and well. Feminism was given a dirty name, and women allowed this to happen. When we get our mojo and vote our interests, sexism will be considered with as much revulsion as racism.
By mitzi morris on 06/05/2008 5:47 pm
H. B.
I got weary after reading 20 same-old, same-old comments, not one of which mentioned Iraq as an issue that was bad news for Sen. Clinton. But death is no respecter of gender there. Maybe that explains the lack of interest on these boards.
By H. B. on 06/04/2008 11:43 am
Renata
H.B.- What is really FASCINATING is the fact that Senator Obama’s TRULY HISTORIC WIN has not merited ANY comment, Q&A or worthy of note, independent of the HRC prism/context of her feelings, desires, thoughts, objectives, etc. Uniquely, for a MEDIA distribution vehicle — perhaps, worldwide. FASCINATING from a journalistic, political, cultural and NEWS perspective — if you look at how this is being covered domestically and internationally. SILENCE.
By Renata on 06/04/2008 2:52 pm
Chateau Lebeau
You are “right on” Renata. Hillary is still dominating the conversation. This was her intention. I have lost all respect for her. Thank you for your comments.
By Chateau Lebeau on 06/04/2008 3:31 pm
mary lou s
renata, this is a site for women who are old enough to have been asked:”i don’t care what degrees you have; can you type?” on this site, we discuss the women’s perspective, and it may be the womens’ perspective. capiche?
By mary lou s on 06/04/2008 6:56 pm
To the beach ~~~
Renata— I agree. On Huffingtonpost it was the banner and on other sites, and newspaper headlines around the nation and the globe. History was made—by both Obama and Clinton. Once the war is over not to acknowledge that is just small.
By To the beach ~~~ on 06/04/2008 8:15 pm
To the beach ~~~
HB—then you never read any of my MANY posts because Iraq was my SINGULAR issue. Like you, I don’t need anyone to defend my rights as a woman—I can handle that myself very well, thank you. I do need Senators/Presidents NOT to break the laws of our Constitution, International laws, and more importantly the laws of humanity that says the most powerful, richest, militarily mighty nation ever in history……does not go mass murder 1 million innocent Iraqis for Exxon/Halliburton, destroy their infrastructure, foment more terrorism, and deny our their most basic right—not to be sent on a mission based on lies. Senator Clinton heard ALL the arguments beforehand and did what was expedient with much of her famous triangulation in the effort to justify. That and not respecting the NetRoots is why she lost. So I respect what you’re saying.
By To the beach ~~~ on 06/04/2008 8:12 pm
To the beach ~~~
I worked at the top of a unforgivably male field where only 2% were female. All this crying about sexism is a giant flashing neon sign that you aren’t ready for prime time. A self-perpetuating, self-defining, self-defeating losing tactic when competitive battles demand strategy, resourcefulness, imagination and savvy. Not arguing for self-limits by focusing energy on them. The greenest garlands are for the victors—not the cry-babies.
By To the beach ~~~ on 06/04/2008 11:46 am
sibelle daubigne
Big Heart , Victory over oneself is The Path not over others!
By sibelle daubigne on 06/05/2008 12:26 pm