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Conversation | 06/04/2008 8:45 am

Lesley Stahl, Cynthia McFadden: Sexism Went Unchallenged During Hillary Campaign

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Editor’s Note: wowOwow welcomes Cynthia McFadden to our lineup of wise women who are making this site the gathering place for informed women on the web. Cynthia is at the top of a distinguished career in journalism, currently serving at ABC News on both “Nightline” and “Primetime Live.” Here, one of wowOwow’s founders, Lesley Stahl, interviews Cynthia on the Hillary Clinton campaign in its final days. Welcome, Cynthia! And more on Cynthia to come from our CEO Joni Evans … but we wanted our community to see this on this historic morning.

LESLEY: Cynthia, welcome to wOw — a floating, non-stop ladies’ lunch! I am delighted that your maiden voyage on our site is a conversation with moi! First, because I always love talking to you, but also because you’ve been spending a lot of your time on this campaign, my favorite topic.

Let’s discuss one of the more distressing issues that has reared its head: sexism. Many of the women who support Hillary are deeply upset and angry at what they perceive as the same old “double standard” that you and I have heard about – and maybe lived — for decades now. In your reporting, have you seen what they are talking about? And more personally, have you felt this misogyny in your own career?

CYNTHIA: As for my career, yes, in my first job as a journalist my boss told me I’d be paid half of what the man who preceded me was being paid. Why? He had an ex-wife and child to support. As for the campaign, yes, I think in ways both subtle and direct sexism has played a role. But it is so ingrained in our culture; it goes largely unnoted and unchallenged. The press is very good at pointing out and decrying racism, thank God, but sexism washes over most of us much of the time.

LESLEY: You’ve interviewed Hillary at least five times during the campaign. We can legitimately say you’re a Hillary expert. I’ve seen a lot of criticism that she has “used” sexism as a campaign ploy to whip up her supporters. Is that the way you see it? And – can I ask you to reflect on your own experience? Do you think this is “helpful” for women? I could have been wrong, but I have gone through my career determined never to come off as a “victim” or to even allow myself to think that my falling short was anything but my own fault.

CYNTHIA: "Victim" isn’t a good place to be. And, like you, I have tried very hard not to ask for special anything (even when the guys do) for fear that somehow I will be seen as expecting or wanting special treatment. And I should say that expecting equal treatment, I have, by and large, received it.

But let me be a bit more specific about my observations … Clinton struggled to find the right tone in her candidacy and she found herself either ridiculed after the famous New Hampshire "cry" as manipulative and girly or lambasted as cold and, well, pardon me, but it rhymes with rich. As retired general Tony McPeak (an Obama supporter) said in an interview after New Hampshire, "Obama doesn’t go on television and have crying fits."

An op-ed piece in a Midwestern newspaper referenced her "frequent wearing of dark pantsuits to conceal her bottom-heavy figure." I am unaware of any similar attention focused on the male behinds in the race.

As for her trying to "use" her sex or charges of "sexism" in the campaign, my observation was talking about gender made her very uncomfortable for some of the same reasons I think we avoid it. She knows "whining" isn’t appealing, even if there are legitimate concerns behind it.

At one point, I asked her why she hadn’t given the “gender speech,” as Obama had done with race. She said she didn’t feel she had to give that speech. That every day she was living the gender speech … just by standing up and saying, "I am the best person to be commander in chief."

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Karl Clark
Dear WoW, I’m reading the various comments extolled on this site and becoming quite dismay by some…to be expected. We all sometimes do not agree with one another on issues…again, to be expected. So allow me to put in my two cents. The 2008 Democratic Primary race was riddled with racism and sexism. Yet, think about this. The Democratic Party presented various candidates for the Office of the Presidency. This includes Edwards, Biden, Richardson, Obama, and Clinton. For Obama and Clinton, they ran a wonderful race…intensive, sometime brutal and personal. Nevertheless, Obama and Clinton vetted one another well. One must win while the other must lose. Obama won. Clinton lost. This lost is personally felt by many and anger exists. In a nutshell, Obama out-campaigned Clinton by a long shot. Everyone here knows this. Many want to lament that sexism played a major role. Nope. I refute that notion. Please do not forget that everyone, both Dems and Repubs knew that Hillary Clinton would be the nominee. This whole process was simply a rudimentary process to that end. All the talking heads, pundits, lay persons, and many others, to include virtually the entire women population, knew that Hillary Clinton would win. Iowa changed that perception. Clinton then focused on New Hampshire and Super Tuesday. She won NH. But leading up to Super Tuesday, she failed to maintain virtually every American support of her, except her staunch supporters. HER CAMPAIGN ADVISORS FAILED HER. SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN THE NOMINEE IF SHE CONTROLLED HER CAMPAIGN. I thought is was amazing that nearly every Black/African American rallied behind Hillary and left Barack on his own. Barack did not take that vote for granted. Hillary did, for the most part. Then Billy Boy put his two cents into it, and that shifted the tides to Barack. Also, the dividing lines between Blacks and women began. The chasm widen over time. But one thing I noticed, minority women did not register sexism as much as they registered the racism spewing from the Right and some principal Hillary surrogates. Unfortunately, sexism came from most of the talking heads on TV. I do not believe it came from the Obama’s camp. The Hillary machine created false connections of sexism to the Obama’s camp, but without proof. Conservatives used racism against Dukakis for the Willy Horton fiasco. Conservatives used racism and sexism against John McCain in 2000. Remember that Black child he got out of wedlock? Conservatives used racism and sexism against Tennessee Rep. Harold Ford. Remember the commercial linking Ford to Playboy bunnies? What about Clinton and the 3 AM TV ad? Can you imagine a “dark” figure entering your home 3 AM? What is your initial thought? Some women decry Obama’s sweeping the comments off his shoulders and pants. It was not an indictment on Clinton. It was an indication that he would not allow negative comments stick to him. How’s that sexist? Some women wants him drawn and quartered because he called someone sweetie. These women would focus on this and not realize that McCain would appoint US Supreme Court Justices that would overturn Roe vs. Wade. Some would focus on this, rather than finding a way to bring our troops home safely and with respect and support. Some would focus on Obama calling someone a sweetie, than to focus on a US energy revolution, employment stability, tax fairness, education equality, and the reintroduction to civic pride. GET REAL! Both Obama and Clinton would champion women caused. Do you believe Michelle would think favorably to see her husband degrading women? If you want to know if Obama respect women, please look how he treats his wife and his two daughters. The answers are there. Thank you.
By Karl Clark on 06/11/2008 10:12 pm
Vee Dee
I wrote two letters to our editor (St. Pete Times). Accused him of sexism and “hating” Hillary. It was so obvious. Of course, he didn’t print. He did print some that didn’t take him to task. Sexism against Hillary was rampant. My younger daughter and I are disgusted, as is my husband. Another daughter is in Obama’s camp. I’ll vote for him because I must. Can’t have John McBush.
By Vee Dee on 06/26/2008 5:26 pm