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Conversation | 06/04/2008 8:45 am

Lesley Stahl, Cynthia McFadden: Sexism Went Unchallenged During Hillary Campaign

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Editor’s Note: wowOwow welcomes Cynthia McFadden to our lineup of wise women who are making this site the gathering place for informed women on the web. Cynthia is at the top of a distinguished career in journalism, currently serving at ABC News on both “Nightline” and “Primetime Live.” Here, one of wowOwow’s founders, Lesley Stahl, interviews Cynthia on the Hillary Clinton campaign in its final days. Welcome, Cynthia! And more on Cynthia to come from our CEO Joni Evans … but we wanted our community to see this on this historic morning.

LESLEY: Cynthia, welcome to wOw — a floating, non-stop ladies’ lunch! I am delighted that your maiden voyage on our site is a conversation with moi! First, because I always love talking to you, but also because you’ve been spending a lot of your time on this campaign, my favorite topic.

Let’s discuss one of the more distressing issues that has reared its head: sexism. Many of the women who support Hillary are deeply upset and angry at what they perceive as the same old “double standard” that you and I have heard about – and maybe lived — for decades now. In your reporting, have you seen what they are talking about? And more personally, have you felt this misogyny in your own career?

CYNTHIA: As for my career, yes, in my first job as a journalist my boss told me I’d be paid half of what the man who preceded me was being paid. Why? He had an ex-wife and child to support. As for the campaign, yes, I think in ways both subtle and direct sexism has played a role. But it is so ingrained in our culture; it goes largely unnoted and unchallenged. The press is very good at pointing out and decrying racism, thank God, but sexism washes over most of us much of the time.

LESLEY: You’ve interviewed Hillary at least five times during the campaign. We can legitimately say you’re a Hillary expert. I’ve seen a lot of criticism that she has “used” sexism as a campaign ploy to whip up her supporters. Is that the way you see it? And – can I ask you to reflect on your own experience? Do you think this is “helpful” for women? I could have been wrong, but I have gone through my career determined never to come off as a “victim” or to even allow myself to think that my falling short was anything but my own fault.

CYNTHIA: "Victim" isn’t a good place to be. And, like you, I have tried very hard not to ask for special anything (even when the guys do) for fear that somehow I will be seen as expecting or wanting special treatment. And I should say that expecting equal treatment, I have, by and large, received it.

But let me be a bit more specific about my observations … Clinton struggled to find the right tone in her candidacy and she found herself either ridiculed after the famous New Hampshire "cry" as manipulative and girly or lambasted as cold and, well, pardon me, but it rhymes with rich. As retired general Tony McPeak (an Obama supporter) said in an interview after New Hampshire, "Obama doesn’t go on television and have crying fits."

An op-ed piece in a Midwestern newspaper referenced her "frequent wearing of dark pantsuits to conceal her bottom-heavy figure." I am unaware of any similar attention focused on the male behinds in the race.

As for her trying to "use" her sex or charges of "sexism" in the campaign, my observation was talking about gender made her very uncomfortable for some of the same reasons I think we avoid it. She knows "whining" isn’t appealing, even if there are legitimate concerns behind it.

At one point, I asked her why she hadn’t given the “gender speech,” as Obama had done with race. She said she didn’t feel she had to give that speech. That every day she was living the gender speech … just by standing up and saying, "I am the best person to be commander in chief."

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Frank Peterson
Phyllis—I didn’t get the post you sent me.
By Frank Peterson on 06/04/2008 11:25 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe
So go back to the thread of Hillary-Bill business and you’ll find it. I know you’ll love it!
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 06/04/2008 4:28 pm
Chris Broersma
As a woman over 50, who has attempted to get a job first as a teacher, and then as a writer I know age matters…but we’re not suppose to say anything even as our family suffers or else we’re “whining”. Stuff it! We’re women and need to let the world know that we can’t be men, but CAN compete if we’re judged for what we do, not our gender’s perceived faults!
By Chris Broersma on 06/04/2008 10:11 am
Doc's girl Hopkins
I have ventured into men’s fields on occasion, I can change a tire and have replaced brake pads and adjusted carburetors( I’m really showing my age). I do these type of things because I’m interested in learning not competing. I have been the object of gender bias many times but I don’t let it slow me down. At 56 I have become the confident self assured strong woman I’ve always wanted to be.I teach my grandsons to respect PEOPLE just for being people/human. I don’t need a title or lofty position to make a difference in this world.
By Doc's girl Hopkins on 06/04/2008 10:34 am
Laughing Allegra
My husband was also a stay at home dad. Here’s my theory on that: If the kids turn out “well” it’s because Dad was there for them. If there is “trouble” it’s because Mom was never home. I used a female Pedriatric group. The insurance was in my name and I was alone with my child at every appointment. The bill always came to my husband. I was told one year - at a previous job - that I wouldn’t be getting a raise because I had taken 12 working days off to have a baby and been paid. It’s not sexism - it’s life.
By Laughing Allegra on 06/04/2008 10:59 am
Lorraine Bates
That’s too bad, sorry to hear that. That’s definitely not how it works in my life, Allegra.
By Lorraine Bates on 06/05/2008 7:46 am
Wendy Wilson
There is no doubt in my mind that everyone hates women, men hate women, and women hate other women and themselves because they are hated in society. I am amazed that writers who see themselves as Feminists (Anna Quindlan— MaureenDowd) joined in on the mud slinging. I love that Geraldine Ferraro spoke up in such a genuine way. She knows the terrain that Hillary is on (George Bush Sr. once called Ferraro a “nice little peice of ass”). and Gerry has nothing to lose. I thin the fact that Hillary is a wife and mother, her roles have been used against her. It is clear that her daughter is a perfectly lovely and classy young woman. But I think that people see Hillary as a stern “mom” to the world. I give her so much credit for struggling her way through the attacks and distortions. And I hope there will be other women like her who won’t be afraid to run for high office. It sure looks like a forbidden leap.
By Wendy Wilson on 06/04/2008 11:03 am
Renata
Women should hold other women to the same standards they would hold anyone else Proffering MYTHOLOGY doen’t help the cause of gender bias — and, consequently feeds it. The VICTIM narrative is unworthy of women who struggle every day, across the broad spectrum of American life — to be taken seriously and maintain high standards in their performance. So, I submit the following: 1. Gerry Ferraro’s spouse had (undisclosed during the vetting process/withheld?) business dealings that compromised the Democratic ticket. Gerry is NO VICTIM. 2. HRC ran a totally FLAWED Campaign based upon a FLAWED premise - spending more than $100mil before she realized the need to change the top management SHE selected. Further, the VICTIM narrative plays into its sister narrative — ENTITLEMENT. We already have a dynastic self-entitled President. His name is George W. Bush. Americans will not buy into another. 3. Refusing to honor the rules of engagement, rules of the Party and — refusing to CONCEDE — based upon the VICTIM narrative — has left her open to RIDICULE. As with stage-struck parents or soccor-dads who cannot/will not ACCEPT defeat — this posture becomes a farce and deserves RIDICULE, which has nothing to do w/her gender but a petulance and lack of maturity in defeat.
By Renata on 06/04/2008 11:16 am
T S
Renata, Your writings intimate that you completely lack yin energy. Find balance as this is where your place of empowerment will be found, weedhopper. :)
By T S on 06/04/2008 11:20 am
Renata
My postings are a harbinger of the energy Democrats will have to put forth to wrestle the Republicans to the ground this Fall. ANY Democrat who doesn’t (finally) get this — and/or distracts us from executing a successful outcome this year — will be and should be directly addressed in the strongest possible terms. To quote the woman herself when she isn’t functioning in VICTIM mode — “…if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen…” Time for a reality check because much is at stake. False narratives and constantly changing the rules SHOULD be challenged. This isn’t a garden party.
By Renata on 06/04/2008 11:44 am
Deni G
ANY Democrat who doesn’t (finally) get this — and/or distracts us from executing a successful outcome this year — will be and should be directly addressed in the strongest possible terms.” Then take a look in the mirror and have a strong talk with yourself. We need Clinton supporters to “wrestle the Republicans to the ground this Fall.’ And yet you continue to alienate them. It doesn’t matter what rationale you use, that is what you are doing. It is “Time for a reality check because much is at stake.”
By Deni G on 06/04/2008 12:14 pm
Lady Gator
Renata — I have refrained from posting after ANOTHER of your explosions. However, I will honestly say that IF I had intended to vote for your candidate — your yelling and interminable posting plus your mud slinging about Hillary — would NOT make your candidate proud. If, as you say your rantings are a “harbinger of the energy Democrats will have to put forth” then I don’t want to be a part of your energy blasting. It’s over — your candidate won — so go someplace, have the beverage of your choice and just get over the hate. After reading your rage, and if there are others like you — no way I’d vote for your candidate!! I, for one, wish you peace!!
By Lady Gator on 06/04/2008 12:40 pm
sibelle daubigne
Lady Gator, You call explosions what i call “propaganda”. You can’t share ideas with someone that hasn’t received education to know how to behave in society. You just have to ignore it! she won’t change and you shouldn’t be affected by her anger, bitterness and intruding personality. Just laugh about it( here she rants again) or ignore her. Peace
By sibelle daubigne on 06/04/2008 10:29 pm
Deni G
All right now I am sick of this. Renata does not represent anything or anyone. And I am beginning to resent the crap out of women giving this obsessive ranter all this power. You would not vote for a candidate because of someone who claims to be a supporter? Some nameless faceless noise machine? Someone who’s posts do McCain more of a service than they do Obama. Perhaps you all who want to judge a candidate because of some unhinged personality, should consider the fact that that personality is really a McCain supporter. I am really angry and sick of all this ‘I won’t vote for your candidate’…crap. Because in case you haven’t noticed, whenever you say that, they just step up their rhetoric. So maybe that’s exactly what they want. Stir up resentment and division and then just sit back at enjoy at their handiwork.
By Deni G on 06/05/2008 11:52 am
sibelle daubigne
Deni, I agree!But don’t you think we shoudn’t take all that so seriously? All these different personalities are just funny to me! Specially the “unhinged”one,stepping up the rhetoric! That cracked me up! thanks for the laugh!
By sibelle daubigne on 06/05/2008 10:02 pm