GAIL: You know, when I … people that have been … my editor and others who are going through this keep saying, "Oh, my God, I had forgotten that that was true." But, you know, when … I still have the first credit card I ever got, which was given to me at Macy’s by some lady standing in an aisle, you know, who told me to fill it out when I was still, I think, in college. But I was already married. And the name on the card is Mrs. Daniel Collins. And that’s the way I got the card. At Macy’s, I think my name is still Mrs. Daniel Collins. You couldn’t get credit on your own. Billie Jean King could not get credit when her husband was in law school and she was winning Wimbledon, because he had to sign the cards. You know, you had these cases in the ’70s of women who were mayors who couldn’t get credit unless their husbands signed for them.

LESLEY: Now, if you told my daughter that she would be shocked. And I lived through it. I lived through it.

GAIL: Women could not serve on juries in certain states in the 1960s.

LESLEY: In our lifetime.

GAIL: And it’s amazing. And, you know, whenever I get depressed about anything horrible that’s happening in this country, which can be frequent, I just … you just think about that for a minute, about the fact that visions of the way women should be and visions of the difference between the sexes and visions of the capacities of women that existed throughout Western civilization from millennia, broke down in our lifetimes. That is just such an amazing thought that it just knocks me out whenever I think about it.

LESLEY: It’s huge. Here’s an interesting thing to contemplate. We talked a lot about Hillary Clinton running for president and doing so well, getting virtually half the votes. We’ve talked about the Secretary of State being a woman. We have the Speaker of the House, who’s a woman, and it’s forgotten. Now I wonder if it’s forgotten because people really think it’s not such a big deal and they just accept it. Or there’s something else. But Nancy Pelosi and what she’s accomplished, not only is she the Speaker of the House, she’s a successful Speaker of the House, and she’s a very powerful Speaker. And it never comes up.

GAIL: Well, I think that’s actually a tribute to her because my experience is that the only time people know who the Speaker of the House is, is when they really hate them. I don’t know of any beloved Speakers of the House. So I think she’s done very well in that. And when you think about it, after the vice president, the Speaker of the House is next in line for the presidency. And after that comes the Secretary of State. So of the four people of the presidential line, two of them right now are women.

LESLEY: And I don’t think I’ve ever heard anybody say that before you just said it.

GAIL: There you are — the thought for the day.

LESLEY: Television. What do you like to watch on TV?

GAIL: My all-time favorite program in my entire life was "Buffy the Vampire Slayer."

LESLEY: No! No! No, no, no.

GAIL: I’m sorry.

LESLEY: It can’t be.

GAIL: It is.

LESLEY: Yeah, you’re apologizing. I heard that. I’m sorry. That’s extraordinary.

GAIL: I love that program so much; I can’t tell you.

LESLEY: Why?