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Conversation | 09/23/2009 4:00 am

Whoopi Goldberg: 'I Was Raised to Think That Anything Was Possible in America'

Whoopi Goldberg and Liz Smith discuss race, Barack Obama and the American Dream …

Editor’s Note: This is part three of Liz Smith’s exclusive interview with Whoopi Goldberg. Click here to read part one. Click here to read part two.

LIZ: Well, Whoopi, I think anybody who cared to read your résumé, track your career, your thousands of awards … in some way you’ve won more awards than anybody. And I’m thinking of the Mark Twain Award especially — that was just the epitome! And people would say that as a result of this you are truly living the American dream and really feeling a part of it. Is there any difference for you in what happened in the election?

WHOOPI: Well, I learned that there was. I didn’t know that there was.

LIZ: I thought, "I'm white, Whoopi's black, and maybe it's presumptuous of me to congratulate her."

LIZ: You thought you were just another American going along …

WHOOPI: Yeah. Yeah.

LIZ: … and didn’t have high hopes.

WHOOPI: No. I was raised to think that anything was possible in America. And I realize now that there was a little qualifying voice that always said, "But don’t forget you’re black." You might not see your brother become a lawyer, a doctor. Let’s just put it that way. And so, I guess, it’s like a little scratch on your arm. It clears up and clears up and clears up and clears up and then you kind of know that something was there, but you don’t really think about it. And when I asked my mom, I said, "Did you ever think that you would see this?" And I thought she was going to say, "Of course," because she was the most positive person I know.

LIZ: Right.

WHOOPI: She said, "No, Caryn. I never." And when she said "never," the way she said it, "never thought I would see this in my lifetime," I thought, "Oh, my God. Here you are, you’ve paid taxes all your life. You’ve been an American all your life. Wait a minute, you just got to vote in the whole country in 1968." You know, it wasn’t until 1968 that blacks throughout the United States were able to vote.

LIZ: I know.

WHOOPI: Yes. But I forgot.

LIZ: You forgot. But you didn’t really think it meant that a black person could go to the total top.

WHOOPI: I realized that I didn’t buy the 1000 percent that I thought I did in the American dream.

LIZ: You know, if you’ve lived a long time you’re always astonished at things. I realize I was born only 14 years after women could vote in America. And so it’s the same thing. They did the Bill of Rights. They did the Constitution. They left slavery out of it because I think they really knew if they tried to put slavery into it then, that the nation would never be.

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Ms. Dee
Whoopi, I think the work you’ve been doing for the past thirty-some-odd years has played a very large part in bringing America to this point of healing. You and so many others have worked your whole lives to get Barack Obama into the White House. Slavery inflicted a gaping wound in our national psyche. The Civil War, Reconstruction, Jim Crow, any number of bandages were applied to no effect. The sixties finally flushed and purged the wound, and while there may still be some black v. white pockets of infection, thousands of Americans like you and Liz have applied the most effective healing balm. Thanks so much for sharing your conversation with me.
By Ms. Dee on 12/01/2008 2:47 pm
Allene Swienckowski
It is interesting that some people see Michele Obama as angry? I wonder if any of those “republicans” ever considered the fact that the woman had a right to be angry, simply because she’s being judged by people who don’t know her? Truthfully, I would wager that these people really wouldn’t choose to know her despite the fact that she is grounded, a caring and giving mother, well educated and has worked her way to the top of her field. Angry? I don’t think so. I think Mrs. Obama is a woman who chose to lover her man enough to support him in his dream even though hsi dream threatened her sense of basic security. How many women, whatever their political leanings can honestly say that they have supported the men that they love even if that support threatened them? Few, I’d bet. We still have a long way to go in race relations. We, that is, a lot of us still judge one another based on the color of one’s skin, the dress size of a woman, or whether the person we’re talking to has perfect teeth. How do we get down to the essence of the person in front of us if we can’t put aside their physical attributes?
By Allene Swienckowski on 12/01/2008 2:48 pm
Christine Cline
I’ve learned that anything is possible if you have the money , resources or the support of others to help you. I am white and I live in Third World America. It takes money to make money. Whether it is gas to get to work, bus fare, childcare, clothes on your back, shoes, or clean hair and fresh breath all these things require money. Without the financial resources the American Dream is just a fairy tale. I know only too well. My granddaughter whom I am raising and I go hungry everyday. Holidays are no different from any other day. I am smart, loving, kind, talented, creative, and funny to name a few. I do random acts of kindness every chance I get, and I see opportunities where others don’t. I am a smile millionaire. But few people know these things about me. Because I am disabled and need SSI and Welfare to survive, few people bother to look beyond the label. They will not raise a hand to help me, because they assume that I am lazy, a bad parent, and looking for handouts. I give handouts. I don’t ask for them. Even on this site in the Change the World section when I asked for help and listed what I can do and already have done (I am a talented artist, photographer and poet. A small sample of my work is on RedBubble.com, artist name Blueccs)I got ripped apart. I even offered for anyone who wanted to to shadow me (unbeknownst to me ) at any point and time they chose. It takes a village of active participants. So far I have only found a village of finger pointers and blamers. Yes, with help the American Dream is possible. But not without it. I survive alone in a world full of people. I have already helplessly watched my wonderful, talented, free-spirited children’s hopes and dreams burn down around them and now it is even worse for my granddaughter. Welfare gives no cost of living raises. SSI does only to be penalized by the lowering of food stamps. The cost of living has gone up over the years to the point that we truely are choosing between clothing and food; yet, such a choice predicament is rediculious as to choose one over the other constitutes neglect for which we are then blamed. I could not afford to get help for my daughter who is dyslexic, now I am blamed for that too. Here the public school system refused to even acknowledge that it exists. Instead they labeled her as “nonspecific reading retarded”, lazy, and a trouble maker. My son auditioned for the Young Americans in nineth grade. In twelveth he found out he had made it. We had no way to raise the money to get him to California. He gave up on his dreams. Shea is now wearing clothes that are much too small for her because it is the best I can do. There are thousands upon thousands of charities on line; yet, I can not find one where I can go and say what I need and be matched up with an agency or individual that will help. When I contact the sites asking where to go to find help I get the same response each time. They take donations, they do not give out money. I do not even want money. I would not know where to start. I just want help getting my career started and I will gratefully pay back every penny needed to accomplish this and more for the time, services and more. Personally I think a lot of people are getting rich of f of the guise of helping others. As for the American Dream? I would gladly move to another country if I had the means to do so.
By Christine Cline on 12/01/2008 5:45 pm
Josie Sullivan
Christine- I checked out your work… I like it! I love the photo of “Dreaming of Sugar plums”. Keep going girl…you have an eye. You can do it. I agree that while the cost of living (and executive salaries) go sky high, the gov’t assistance has only declined leaving so many hopeless and helpless. This is a problem that has to come to attention of someone…but who? I am also an artist and have a disability. It is not exactly a friendly time right now as so many are looking for the direction to point their fingers.
By Josie Sullivan on 12/01/2008 10:32 pm
Christine Cline
Josie, Thank You so much for your kind words. Finger pointing is a real problem. It is what justifies people in not taking action. This problem needs to be taken to Obama himself once he is in office. There are some things we on welfare can do to help ourselves if only we were allowed to. It is my goal to bring those things to Mr. Obama’s attention. That is the first step. With these changes it would at least provide a way for our children to have a future. You can help me by going to www.change.org/view/a_better_future_for_our_children and voting for my idea.
By Christine Cline on 12/02/2008 8:27 am
Christine Cline
Sorry I left a word out on the link. Those underscores really get me. It is :www.change.org/view/a_better_future_for_our_welfare_children Also I wish you much success in your artistic endevours, too.
By Christine Cline on 12/02/2008 8:41 am
Christine Cline
Thank You Merrrell, you have already done a lot for me by listening and treating me as an equal. I am still beleiving that God will provide a way for me to support us through the arts as it is all I have with my talents and disabilities combined. It is true the expensives have been such a handicap that it has taken me nearly twenty years to create enough pictures for a show. And my photos are only on the computer. I am unable to get the funds to print them. The upside though is that as long as the computer does not crash I do not have to worry about storage of the photos, LOL. As I told Josie up above you can help though by going to www.change.org/view/a_better_future_for_welfare_children and voting for my idea. And thank you too for the compliment on my work. I wish both you and Josie all the best in your artistic endevours as well.
By Christine Cline on 12/02/2008 8:37 am
Belinda Joy
Great conversation ladies, thanks. Like Whoopi I also always believed I could do or be whatever I wanted. But where we differ is I never placed restrictions on any Black person’s aspirations because of race. We have countless Black doctors, lawyers, scientists, writers, politicians and physicists. My way of thinking has always been “why them?” What made these Black men and women aspire for more out of life than the Black men and women who choose to settle for less? The very politically incorrect answer is drive. To tell someone they lack drive is one of the utmost insults you can say to a Black person short of the old line “your mama” which is the universal insult that means everything and nothing all at once. What I am finding so wonderful about Barack’s win is that it is now putting a spotlight on a whole hosts of educated, intelligent, attractive Black men and women that most of our society never realized existed. I literally have White friends that are shocked at the number of Blacks that have attended and excelled in top colleges and went on to respected careers. They are blown away as one after another, one Black person upon another is placed in the news and on a world stage as part of Obama’s cabinet or his transition team, or simply as a topic of comparison from his days in Chicago. For Blacks as myself it comes as no surprise, but for most White Americans this is just the beginning of the lesson in inclusively that is underway. Young people played a huge role in sending Barack to the White House. This was done because they don’t see race first as some my age and older do. So for them, an educated Black man or woman is a “yeah…and your point?” type of situation. They work under, for and beside the very people that surround Barack and Michelle. Call me psychic, but I truly believed when I heard Barack speak at the 2004 DNC that he would be our President one day. I had no idea it would be so soon, but I genuinely felt it. It was something about who he was and what he said that told me he was in the right place in time to make an impact on the world. Jesse Jackson…no. Al Sharpton….I think not. But Barack Obama…..it was his time and I felt all along “we” were ready for him .
By Belinda Joy on 12/01/2008 9:30 pm
Frank Key
Belinada: What lesson are you going to teach me? What lesson is my government going to teach me? Please be specific. Regarding Obama, for two weeks straight all he’s talks about is his team. When somebody doesn’t know what they’re doing, assure the people his team will take care of it. Lame.
By Frank Key on 12/03/2008 11:46 pm
Belinda Joy
Based on the tone of your question and comments expressed, I would respond that I would have no lesson to teach you and that your government likewise could not teach you anything of significance. In order to be taught, your mind must be open to receive. It’s unfortunate that you find his actions lame, however I take solace in the knowledge your interpretation of him is in the minority.
By Belinda Joy on 12/04/2008 7:51 am
Frank Key
Belinda: What tone? Regarding an open mind, yours is so tightly closed you probably believe OJ is innocent of killing two people. Did he kill two people? Obamas friends consist of suspected murderers. Bernadine Dohrn is suspected of killing a San Fransisco police officer. Are they friends,or do they just live on the same street? My minority consisted of 60 million voters. 95% of blacks voted for Obama. Here are many whos mind should be a bit more open. http://howobamagotelected.com/ Obama will ride this economic thing for as long as it makes him look good. He doesn’t care about you, me or your neighbor. Who wouldn’t want to fly around in the big jet. Believe me, he doesn’t have a clue as to what he’s doing.
By Frank Key on 12/04/2008 10:32 pm
Belinda Joy
Believe me, he doesn’t have a clue as to what he’s doing.” Sucks for you that you and those that think as you do weren’t able to come up with the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people to vote for McCain to essentially make your above referenced quote a moot point. Using logic, it would appear more people agree with me about Barack than they do you. You should really let this anger about the loss go, don’t you think that’s a heavy toll to carry for the next 4 years. 4 years of trying desperately to find some dirt on your President…..you’re a true American Frank. Way to support your country.
By Belinda Joy on 12/04/2008 11:22 pm
Frank Key
Belinda: Regarding your President, he’s also my President and I wish him the best. I can support my country without supporting Nobama. You’ll never know the dirt on Obama because it has all been hidden from you. Little things like; His college roommates were told not to speak to the media. His college thesis has never been released. Why? How did he get into Harvard? Who payed for it? He wants you to believe in the 20 years he was a member of the Trinity church, Rev. Wright never spewed racist remarks while he was there. I already gave you a website for the many geniuses that voted for Obama, I’ll give it to you again. http://howobamagotelected.com/ I’m more angry its chilly outside on this sunny southern California day. Hers the difference in the election. Obama lied and accepted public financing. He raised 800 million dollars. McCain had less than 400 million. Using your logic; What would of had happened if they had equal money? He’s in way over his head. Of course he has his TEAM.
By Frank Key on 12/05/2008 1:43 pm
Belinda Joy
Frank, I have indeed viewed the link you provided. It is tantamount to linking me to Fox News to view and hear slanted views of Barack Obama. John Ziegler, such as yourself, lacks any semblance of being impartial. His website and views on Obama are completely tainted by misinformation, gossip and speculation. It doesn’t provide a platform for an open and honest exchange on whether Barack Obama is qualified to be our president. It is nothing more than a collection of right wing, conservative mumbo jumbo masquerading as fact. I view you as a conspiracy theorist. His college roommates were told not to speak to the media. His college thesis has never been released. Why? How did he get into Harvard? Who paid for it? He wants you to believe in the 20 years he was a member of the Trinity church, Rev. Wright never spewed racist remarks while he was there. I am going to say something I have never said in a public forum since, during or following Barack Obama’s run for the White House. It is something a majority of Black people believe and feel (purely in my opinion) and mutter amongst ourselves, but never say in mixed company. I will however now to prove a point. Whether you believe or agree with it, who knows. But it is fact. Barack Obama may be of biracial ethnicity, but you and I know in America he is labeled Black. Do you really believe a Black man running for President of the White House wouldn’t be 100 times more scrutinized than his White competitors? My response and belief is a resounding YES! A Black man in America? They (the media, opposing political party, commentators, bloggers, people such as yourself) have scoured his life from birth to date attempting to dig up any and every speck of dirt they could find. Infidelity, financial misdoings, political misdoings….anything and everything to disqualify him as a contender. And yet nothing came up. They tried with the Resko issue. Tried with the Rev. Wright issue. Continue to try with all the non-issues you keep providing. It’s not that Barack Obama is trying to hide anything, there is nothing there to be hid. And this is the very reason at the onset of his run that he didn’t garner a large number of Blacks supporting him. Many wondered if he could or would survive the scrutiny of Whites who would surely be looking for a reason to discount him. He had a monumental task ahead of him when he decided to run for president. He had to not only run against a field of other qualified candidates for the job, but he also had to run against the engrained racism of our nation. A nation that for too long has held a distorted and bias view of Black males. Partly due to our own actions, but more so out of decades of ignorance and lack of acceptance by Whites. I know that opinion comes across as strong and may appear as if I harbor a level of bias against Whites, but that is not the case. I do believe every word I have written. But I also am the type of person that lives a diverse life that is inclusive and therefore can recognize not all Whites are racist, bias or prejudice against Black males. As a matter of fact as every year ticks by, we truly are becoming more open as a nation. Look at how much we’ve changed in as little as 10 years. So Frank, you have your take on Obama and I am sure nothing I have said or can say will change it….and that’s okay. Trust me, if you were to try and get me to speak fondly of George W. Bush you would have your work cut out for you. Let’s just agree to disagree on this one.
By Belinda Joy on 12/05/2008 2:31 pm
Sally K

Frank, 1.  I’m White, and I feel I must step in here and make a few observations.  Belinda has been much more civil than i would be , under similar circumstances.  1.  She is, absolutely, correct when she says that because President Obama is Black, his actions have, without a doubt, been more closely scrutinized than a White man’s would have been.  If his thesis weren’t up to par, we’d have heard about a long, long time ago and from someone slightly more legitimate than the Fox Team.  (Fair and balanced my you know what) 

This country separates Church and State.  Any American can worship wherever he or she chooses to worship.  I, personally, have worshipped alongside people with whom I could not disagree more.  Before God, we are all equal.  I don’t need to approve of every word that comes out of a person’s mouth in order to kneel and pray alongside him or her.  And who are you to judge Reverend Wright anyway? You don’t know the road that man has walked.  Who are you to tell him how angry to be?  Who are you to apprise anyone of when and how it’s time to ‘move on’  and cease to be angry?  Besides, the last time I read the Bible, I seem to remember something about judging not, lest you be judged and something about judgment is MINE, saith the LORD.

President Obama WON the election.  Get over it. And, again, if there were any provable, or semi-provable shennaigans that went on, your cry baby Repubs would have jumped on them already.  But, if you want to talk crooked, let’s talk about Florida , George W. and his brother Jeb.  Let’s talk about the election the Repubs stole from Al Gore. 

 In closing, don’t send me any links, I won’t utilize them. I don’t sully up my brain with nonsense. 

By Sally K on 09/25/2009 12:40 pm