Sign in to wowOwow

Enter the email address that you used when registering at wowOwow.
The password field is case sensitive. Click here if you have forgotten your password.

Please register for wowOwow

Newsletter subscriptions
Sign up to receive wowOwow's weekly newsletter and get our best picks delivered right to your inbox. Our newsletter content is hand-picked by the wowOwow editorial team and provides the top features, news, and commentary from our site. Subscribing to our newsletter is free and safe. We will never share your email or other information with a third-party without your direct consent.
By registering, you indicate that you have read and agree
with our privacy policy and terms of service.

Conversation | 11/25/2008 10:00 am

Whoopi Goldberg Talks Exclusively to Liz Smith About Her New Children's Book

Liz Smith caught up with Whoopi Goldberg to talk about the inspiration behind Sugar Plum Ballerinas, the Google effect and much more

Editor’s Note: wOw’s Grande Dame of Dish had a long talk with Whoopi ranging from books to parenting and more … This is part one of their chat. Visit wowOwow.com all this week for the rest of the conversation. And find out what Whoopi thinks is the secret to "The View’s" success, her view on race in America and more … 

LIZ: Whoopi, what propelled you into writing children’s books?

WHOOPI: My daughter. The first book I wrote was called Alice. And it was a take on Alice in Wonderland, and there were no children of color in fairy tales when my daughter was little. So that’s how Alice came about. I thought I’d just write her a fairy tale so that I could say, "Look, there is one — with you in it."

LIZ: So how many have you done?

WHOOPI: I think this is the third children’s book. I have another one in the works called The Berries.

LIZ: What is the point of Sugar Plum Ballerinas? What were you trying to get across in this one?2008_1125_sugar_plum_ballerinas.jpg

WHOOPI: It's funny because we wrote this before Barack was elected and we've got a child who's half and half.

WHOOPI: Actually a couple of things. That little girls oftentimes are so structured, and that kids don’t have a lot of time to themselves. And sometimes it’s because parents want to live vicariously through their kids, and get them to do all the things they want to do. Then I began to realize what it would be like if I were a parent now – if I had a little kid. Would I try to force my kid to do all the things that I couldn’t do? And I wanted to be a ballerina. But in those days they weren’t really taking women of color into ballet. You could go dance with Alvin Ailey, but you could not be a prima ballerina.

So if I had had a kid who was about seven or eight now, I am afraid I would be forcing her to try to do everything I couldn’t do. A lot of little girls find themselves in that position now. But these girls, the Sugar Plums, are very amazing because they live in a world where they can speed skate. They can be interested in anything. And so now this bunch of girls, who don’t look like the ballerinas that they’re supposed to be emulating — they’re round. They’re tall. They’re skinny. They’re wide. They’re all colors. And so they formed what I called "The New World."

LIZ: Well, this is interesting because this book surprised me. I don’t in any way mean to be rude, but I was just thinking, I thought only sort of white, middle-class, upright, socially aspiring women pushed their children to be ballerinas? Because I thought black mothers were probably too practical for that.

WHOOPI: Yeah, we wanted to be all the things that you see. I wanted to be Dame Margot Fonteyn because I grew up watching her dance with [Rudolf] Nureyev, the Sleeping Beauty and Romeo and Juliet. You know, who wouldn’t want to do that? Remembering [Mikhail] Baryshnikov. I would have put on some toe shoes just to jump him.

LIZ: Well, I must say, male ballet dancers are pretty fabulous. And, you know, Nureyev added to Margot Fonteyn’s stature. She was already the greatest, but then once he became her partner, it was a different thing.

WHOOPI: They were magnificent to watch.

LIZ: Back to what I said about thinking black mothers are probably too practical to influence their children toward ballet, I want to ask: What do you think about a career in ballet for a girl?

WHOOPI: I think a career in dance for a girl is magnificent — whether it’s ballet or jazz or tap or any of it. I think if you want to stay healthy in the world, dancing is a profession that keeps you healthy. 

LIZ: You wouldn’t want to raise a hedge-fund person?

WHOOPI: Well, something to fall back on. I’d like them to be able to do both.

LIZ: I guess I think a career in ballet is very short.

WHOOPI: What isn’t short?

LIZ: All right. Now I’ve expressed my reservations. Have you had any actual experience with children in ballet?

WHOOPI: My daughter wanted to dance. And so she was with Debbie Allen for a while.

LIZ: So you have?

WHOOPI: Yeah. She wanted to do that.

LIZ:  I’ve been wondering about this: Are children smarter than they used to be? Are they just exposed to more? Or do they still just grasp everything at the exact time they are supposed to? And you can’t force that.

35 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Lou Hoover
There are so many things in this post that I would love to discuss with you but I see other posters have taken care of most of those issues. However, in what world do you think that women have equal rights to men? Are you blind or just insane? Ten years out of school women make 69% of what men make. Does that sound equal to you? Please, Brad, do tell your children. Don’t send them out into the real world believing the fairly tale that women get the same treatment as men.
By Lou Hoover on 11/28/2008 10:12 am
newzie snoozie
I WHEN I ONCE UPON A TIME WAS A GIRL IN THE 5TH GRADE WHO TOOK DANCE LESSONS I WANT TO SAY I DID NOT GET TO BE A DANCE PERSON VERY ONG 2 YEARS IS ALL UT I STILL REMEMBER WHAT I LEARNED. THE WAAY I TOOK DANCE LESSONS WAS THE BABYSIT-DUSTED FURNITURE- WASHED DISHES AND SWEPT PORCHES AND TOOK MAGAZINES AND PAPERS TO THE DUMP PLACE WHERE I MADE MONEY FROM SELLING THE TIN CANS AND MAGAZINES AND NEWSPAPERS TO THE DUMP GUY. AS I EARNED MY MONIES FOR DUSTING ETC. I SAT IT ASIDE AND NOT A PENNY WAS EVER SPENT ON ANYTHING EXCEPT MY DANCE CLASSES. … KIDS OF TODAY WOULD NEVER HAVE MADE IT BACK IN THE 40S ETC. TODAY KIDS EARN MONEY FOR CDS AND MALL TRIPS. WHAT A BUMMER CROP SOME- OUR OUTPUT IS BUMMER KIDS. IN SO MANY WAYS. HOW WE HAVE CHANGED INTO HEDONISTS
By newzie snoozie on 11/25/2008 10:31 am
Frank Marks
Newzie: You said kids of today would’ve never made it back in the 40’s. You made it in the 40’s. Are you better than todays kids because you dusted and swept porches? You did mention something very important in your post. You said todays kids earn money. It doesn’t matter what they spend it on, what counts is that they worked for their money. Stop comparing today with yesterday. If you want to go back to the old days, if you’re so disgusted with our way of living, move somewhere else.
By Frank Marks on 11/25/2008 1:37 pm
Delete This
Frank Marks, What a blockhead you are…let me guess. McCain supporter.
By Delete This on 11/25/2008 3:03 pm
Serena .
Carmel-by-the-Sea, As Spanky would say, “And how!”
By Serena . on 11/25/2008 5:20 pm
Delete This
Serena, Ha. I always liked that Darla from ‘The Little Rascals” and found this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqxAr33F-W0
By Delete This on 11/26/2008 6:28 am
Serena .
Carmel, OMG! I love you!!! This is great. You know, all I want for Christmas this year is the entire DVD collection of the original Little Rascals. I’m not sure if it even exists—I haven’t taken the time to research it. Thank you for the link.
By Serena . on 11/26/2008 7:35 am
Murphy Mac
Serena, the collection does exist. Try Amazon.com. I got it a few years ago. It’s great!
By Murphy Mac on 11/30/2008 1:45 pm
Agyness O
On this day of thanksgiving, thanks for reminding me of “The Little Rascals” and that video of Darla ( loved her and named a cat Darla who reminded me of her). Loved that show and what a good way to get off topic with that annoying Frank that keeps butting in!!
By Agyness O on 11/27/2008 1:42 pm
newzie snoozie
TO FRANK. YOU POOR PATHETIC SAD PERSON. I HAVE KNOWEN MANY SAD PERSON BUT NON AS SAD AS YOU ARE. HAVE YOU REREAD ALL OF THESE ITEMS ON HERE? WELL DEAR, SURELY YOU SHOULD. SERENA SAYS YOU ARE A PISS-D OFF WHAT WAS IT? I SAY YOU SHOULD HAVE TRIED GROWING UP IN THE 40S HUNNYBUN MAYBE YOU WOULDN’T BE SUCH A POOR PITYFUL PEARL THAT SOURED ON THE WAY UP THRU THE WOMB YOU CAME FROM. YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE CHILDREN WHO WAS RAISED UP BY WELL TO DO PEOPEL AND YOU GOT GOOD AND SPOILED. THEN WHEN YOU GREW UP YOU WENT THRU WHAT THE PARENTS GAVE TO YOU AND NOW-Y O U - HAVE TO WORK TO PAY YUR OWN BILLS AND DEBTS. I BET YOU GOT STARTED OFF USING THE VISTA CARD AND SPENMT MORE THEN YOU EVER DREAMED OF AND WHEN THEY SUED YOU FOR NON PAYMENT THAT IS WHEN THE GARNISHED UP THE PAYCHECK AND GOT THEIR FAIR SHARE. I HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR YOU ——- WHERE TO GO IN A FEWQ WORDS. GO GET A PAPER GROCERY BAG AND MOVE IN WHITH THE ROACH EGGS THAT SOON DO GET BORN AND BYE BYE . NO ONE COULD LOVE THE THING NAMED FRANK MARKS EXCEPT GOD. OH YES, GOD ALREADY LOVES YOU JUST THE WAY YOU ARE. THANK HIM!
By newzie snoozie on 11/25/2008 8:15 pm
newzie snoozie
WHOOPIE, THANK YOU FOR SOME GOOD BOOKS SEEMS LITTLE TO SAY - BUT THANKS FOR WELL WRITTEN BOOKS GIRL YOU GO YOU GO THE VIEW I WATCH AND I ENJOY.
By newzie snoozie on 11/25/2008 10:33 am
DeBúrca obj
I adore children’s books and this one sounds great. My daughter, now 21, would have loved this story. My 6 yr old son, would benefit from the message but I don’t think he would identify enough with the ballerinas to really want the book.
By DeBúrca obj on 11/25/2008 12:30 pm
Delete This
Whoopi, Terrific book cover…I would have loved that as a child. Love ballet, and did get to meet Baryshnikov backstage aft he danced his White Oak Project for 90 minutes…so impressive….and because he was a friend of a friend. So gracious. Am sure you have another hit that will be a delight to many young girls. Think the discipline of dance remains for life.
By Delete This on 11/25/2008 3:07 pm
Cheryl Mitchell
Whoopie, I purchased the book to give to my little niece for Christmas. she can’t read yet, but her parents will read it to her. I started a practice many years ago to give books to the littlest ones in my family for birthdays and Christmas. I don’t get into the toys and stuff. From Auntie Cheryl, there’s always a book coming. That’s the way I start them off building theirr own library.
By Cheryl Mitchell on 11/25/2008 3:22 pm
Kryssi K
I remember reading Alice when I was little! One line always sticks out in my mind - “We done got’cha.” Why is that??? It was a cute book. Only wished, at the time, I could find it in stores instead of having to get it from the library and part with it a week later. =( Can’t wait to read this one as well.
By Kryssi K on 11/25/2008 4:38 pm