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Conversation | 09/09/2008 6:15 pm

The wOw Women Weigh in on Sarah Palin, Republican Strategy and Slow Democratic Response

JONI: The election. There are so many angles here, I’m going to let you all decide which one you want to discuss. But here we are. I mean, at the end of the day the choice is really John McCain vs. Barack Obama. But, you wouldn’t think that today. You would think, well, all we’re doing is talking about Gov. Palin. And I guess every day talking about her is a bad thing for Obama, because we’re not talking about him. And another angle on all of this is about how the press has been so dismissive of her. And then yesterday you had Maureen Dowd completely turning around and saying she’ll probably be president in four years. So, the whole wrangle of vilification. Cynthia, since you’ve been to the Republican Convention, perhaps you’d like to start. Where are we on this election today?

CYNTHIA: There is no question Sarah Palin changed the conversation. And I think that’s exactly what John McCain hoped would happen. You know, we can debate her merits but, I mean, John McCain has achieved what he wanted politically, at least so far. Coming out of Denver and Obama’s Invesco speech, you know, the general feeling was "nothing can top that," and on Friday McCain did — by announcing Sarah Palin. And he and Palin have dominated the news cycle since. There’s still an awful lot we don’t know. And I’m not so sure that all of it, all of the vetting, has been terribly attractive. I think her daughter’s pregnancy – I’m not saying it’s off limits – but I don’t think it really matters very much and I don’t think the American people think it matters very much. And the sort of glee with which the mainstream media jumped on that seemed to me to be rather unattractive. Whether or not Sarah Palin is competent to be Commander in Chief has little to do with whether or not she is or she isn’t a good mother, which seemed to be what the debate was focusing on last week.

JOAN C: May I interject that I think it was focused as much on hypocrisy, Cynthia, as it was on anything else that she has – for purity balls and abstinence and all of that good stuff, and would not have sex education in schools and that’s why it was gleeful, I think, more than —

CYNTHIA: But you know, Joan, we like to gossip about it all. I just think that, you know, boy do we have more important things to worry about than whether or not her daughter’s pregnant.

JOAN C: But she uses her family politically a great deal in Alaska. There’s a very good piece – I think it’s in The Washington Post. They’ve done a lot of digging and her family is — her husband sits in on almost all the meetings in the governor’s office, and as her chief advisor; and sits in meetings with oil companies, even though he works for one, and advises her. And the children are everywhere. She takes them everywhere. And they’re very much part of the package. And so she’s in … that has invited some of this. But I’m telling you, it’s got to be news when someone brand new comes along to be one of the four major figures in the election and announces their teenage daughter is pregnant.

LESLEY: And not married.

JOAN C: And it was circulating on the Internet that her latest baby was really her daughter’s baby.

LESLEY: Can I step back for one second, step back about a mile, and just look at what’s happened from a distance because, Cynthia, I didn’t go to the convention so I was watching it, you know, at home. And what strikes me today is how brilliantly skillful the Republicans have been through all of this. They had no idea when they … when John McCain chose Sarah Palin at the very last second because he realized, or they forced on him that he couldn’t have his first pick, Joe Lieberman. When he picked Sarah Palin, and all these stories came up because she hadn’t been vetted very much, that they’ve handled all of this with just remarkable shrewdness and political genius because this really could have blown up in their faces.

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Mugsy Peabody
There is no reason Sen. Clinton should “take her on.” Sen. Clinton is not on the ticket. Pandering to ignorant people who want “a cat fight” is not Sen. Clinton’s style. And why was it that wOw contributors (not the posters) didn’t pitch a fit when Sen. Clinton was trashed? Oh, no, but now that this unqualified, right-wing, narrow-minded bigot is the target of slings and arrows, now we object? Why is that?
By Mugsy Peabody on 09/09/2008 5:33 pm
Sharon Belko
Dear Dear Mugsy - I truly wish you would say it like it really is - you know - just call a spade a spade or in this case a right-wing, narrow-minded bigot! Gotta love it (and you!).
By Sharon Belko on 09/09/2008 6:21 pm
phyllis Doyle Pepe
Check this out––––lipstick on a pig–––––– http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/10/campaign.lipstick/
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 09/10/2008 9:38 am
Wake Up and Hear  The Fear In your Childs Voice
ty that was interesting how do u guys get all those http addy’s?
Lucinda Herbert
This is a very interesting election season. Have you considered that Hillary has very little interest in fighting this fight in order to give herself another chance in 4 years? Did you see David Brooks column? He is so accurate … “Many liberals claim to love working-class families, but the moment they glimpse a hunter with an uneven college record, they hop on chairs and call for disinfectant.” http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/09/opinion/09brooks.html Sarah Palin is not whom I would have selected (I would have preferred Kay Bailey Hutchinson), but McCain has not lost his mind. The McCain we knew was always pro-life, but more of a centrist. He, however, wants to win and is not counting on dying anytime soon (even if his age and melanoma make others nervous). The more I think about his choice, the more wily and savvy he appears. The pundits and journalists have been going wild, but you have to get out of the Big Apple and the Beltway to understand what this country is all about. I love Peggy Noonan and read her columns religiously, but she needs to do herself a favor and get out of town and her Upper East Side Roman Catholic community more often, and then she wouldn’t get caught making remarks on an open mike. Palin is someone whom many across the country can relate to – she is authentic, whether you agree with what she stands for or not. She doesn’t just talk the talk, she walks the walk. And, you can’t dismiss rural and blue collar communities in Alaska, Pennsylvania and the South; they like her in upstate NY too. I have even heard sophisticated, educated, wealthy women whisper “she’s growing on me” although they add “they’re going to have to get the First Dude a tutor and a stylist when they go to Washington.” What Sarah lacks in sophistication, she makes up for with gumption and by demonstrating, thus far, that she is a quick study and can certainly deliver a speech, whether it was written by somebody else or not. I’m confident she’s being tutored and I am looking forward to seeing how she performs on Meet the Press and against Biden; this is, after all, a woman, who has not spent a great deal of time outside the state of Alaska and even less time outside the United States. Just this morning, however, the Iraqi government rejected Biden’s proposal to divide the country along ethnic lines and expressed that it would be a disaster for Iraq. Over the last year, Obama certainly seduced me because I have felt we are in need of a change and I suffer from Clinton, including Hillary, fatigue. When I take a closer look at Obama, however, I see a smooth operator who ran a far more well thought out and efficient campaign than Hillary (how long has she been in politics and how long did it take for her to find her voice for goodness sake?), is against the war, but has yet to present an economic plan that makes sense to me. Sure, the Republican convention was short on those details too. When one hasn’t been given much to hang one’s hat on, one tends to vote for the person whom one can most easily relate to. In New York, Washington, Los Angeles, and even Chicago that person may well be Barack Obama; small businessmen will certainly vote for McCain, but for many others it will be Sarah Palin. We are ideoligically opposed to each other, but I find her likeable … like that outrageous person or neighbor for whom one might still feel affection … and that’s what all these women are relating to. McCain is not going after Hillary’s women because they’re not going to vote for him or Palin. I haven’t decided for whom I’m going to cast my vote, but I think McCain stands a very good chance. And, if he wins, we have to hope that he’ll stay alive so he and Joe Lieberman can run the show … at least until Sarah’s Pygmalion-style education is complete!
By Lucinda Herbert on 09/09/2008 7:29 pm
Marjorie C.
Thumbs up, Lucinda.
By Marjorie C. on 09/10/2008 6:54 am
judy smith
Lucinda I have so much trouble when women say that Sarah Palin is authentic. Why, because she grew up in a small town or as middle class or what?? Both Michelle and Barack AND Joe Biden grew up with not much money and had to struggle to get where they were. McCain did not. Does that make him NOT authentic? AND McCain is quick to call Obama and elitist when he (McCain) lives a very elitist lifestyle with more houses than he can count. Does that make him ready or NOT ready to lead? Where are the GUTS of this election, what we are going to do to improve the mess George Bush made of this country? McCain’s spokesman said this election is going to won on personalities. I sure hope that is not true. One other thing that really saddens me about Palin was her willingness to malign community organizers as not having any responsibilities while Governors do. Obviously, she has no knowledge of that subject but was willing to play “pit bull” (her words, not mine). As a SW who worked for 10 years in Child Abuse, I thank heavens for community organizers who helped us help others.
By judy smith on 09/10/2008 8:52 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe
You have made some excellent counter arguments, Judy, and I would add that Obama could have joined a prestigious law firm instead of becoming involved in community service and if that doesn’t say something about character, I don’t know what does.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 09/10/2008 9:32 am
Penny H.
What about Obama’s 20years of following the teachings of Rev. Wrights hatefilled church? What about the missing parts of his life or the fact that in his books he donounced his mother’s race? And what exactly is his experience in running a country? Change yes. Obama??? NO NO NO NO NO. He is not trust worthy. He is NOT the mesiah.
By Penny H. on 09/11/2008 7:03 pm
Lucinda Herbert
Judy, I hear you, but the rest of the country doesn’t necessarily hear you … and that’s what McCain gambled on. My analysis, I think, is accurate. She is perceived as authentic - genuine - what you see is what you get - with all its messiness. And, that’s what other people relate to. You’re making too much of the community organizer comment - it was the punch line - it got a few laughs - that’s what she strove for. I don’t doubt it irritates you. As Tip O’Neill once said, “All politics is local” You have to come to terms with the fact that politics at the grassroots level is so much more than education, polish, and strategies. Wonks bring much to the table, but to be successful, they have to connect with the people. McCain found someone who connects with not only the far right and the working class, she connects with quite a few women who were not fervent Hillary supporters and worry that Obama is a little too liberal. It’s all about winning. It’s like when my I give a great deal of thought to the words I form when I’m playing Scrabble and my husband ends up with 24 points, having used 3 letters and landing on a triple word spot … his comment is always “the last time I checked, the goal in Scrabble is not about being erudite, it’s winning.” It applies here too.
By Lucinda Herbert on 09/10/2008 3:30 pm
judy smith
Irritates me??? It hurts the thousands and thousands of community organizers who work long hours for barely survival pay to help those who really need it. “It got a few laughs”? Wow if that is what she was striving for at the expense of so many, then that is not the kind of “authentic” I want. I do not believe in winning at all costs. Sorry!!!
By judy smith on 09/10/2008 3:40 pm
Lucinda Herbert
But Judy, if Obama wants to win, he’s going to have change his MO to the current environment or remain an idealist who’ll continue living in Chicago’s southside. You have to stop expending so much energy that’s not going to help you arrive at your goal. You sound like you’re screaming. Calm down, organize yourself, and calmly go out and persuade others to follow your lead.
By Lucinda Herbert on 09/10/2008 5:55 pm
Frannie Em
Judy You make some excellent points. Community organizers are wonderful and hard working people. I agree with Sen Obama when he asks, don’t you want our youth to go out and volunteer in their communities to make them a better place. Yes, I agree. Thank God for community organizers. To me, authenticity does not have to do with if a person has been rich or poor and worked themselves up to higher office, or lived in a small community. Authenticity has to do with honesty and awareness of self. It comes from being grounded in the principles you want to live by, and doing it. I believe all of the candidates have that, but in different ways. I do not believe Sen Obama is elitist, nor do I believe that Governor Palin is ignorant. Factcheck,org has dispelled many of the myths that have been streaming about her in the blogosphere. People have believed for years, that in the long run, personality, or if you like someone more than someone else, wins elections. Many people love Obama, and have from the beginning. He will not and has not lost his base, and he will more than likely take the majority of the Hillary votes.
By Frannie Em on 09/10/2008 5:18 pm
Lucinda Herbert
Frannie, Thanks for weighing in calmly. I agree with you.
By Lucinda Herbert on 09/10/2008 6:00 pm
Frannie Em
Lucinda, Back atcha. We will all get mad at something, but it is just like my philosophy about raising teenagers, choose your battles, because some are not worth it, so stick with what is important to you, and stick to the principles, and if you can, get the personalities out of the way.
By Frannie Em on 09/10/2008 8:44 pm