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Conversation | 09/09/2008 6:15 pm

The wOw Women Weigh in on Sarah Palin, Republican Strategy and Slow Democratic Response

JONI: The election. There are so many angles here, I’m going to let you all decide which one you want to discuss. But here we are. I mean, at the end of the day the choice is really John McCain vs. Barack Obama. But, you wouldn’t think that today. You would think, well, all we’re doing is talking about Gov. Palin. And I guess every day talking about her is a bad thing for Obama, because we’re not talking about him. And another angle on all of this is about how the press has been so dismissive of her. And then yesterday you had Maureen Dowd completely turning around and saying she’ll probably be president in four years. So, the whole wrangle of vilification. Cynthia, since you’ve been to the Republican Convention, perhaps you’d like to start. Where are we on this election today?

CYNTHIA: There is no question Sarah Palin changed the conversation. And I think that’s exactly what John McCain hoped would happen. You know, we can debate her merits but, I mean, John McCain has achieved what he wanted politically, at least so far. Coming out of Denver and Obama’s Invesco speech, you know, the general feeling was "nothing can top that," and on Friday McCain did — by announcing Sarah Palin. And he and Palin have dominated the news cycle since. There’s still an awful lot we don’t know. And I’m not so sure that all of it, all of the vetting, has been terribly attractive. I think her daughter’s pregnancy – I’m not saying it’s off limits – but I don’t think it really matters very much and I don’t think the American people think it matters very much. And the sort of glee with which the mainstream media jumped on that seemed to me to be rather unattractive. Whether or not Sarah Palin is competent to be Commander in Chief has little to do with whether or not she is or she isn’t a good mother, which seemed to be what the debate was focusing on last week.

JOAN C: May I interject that I think it was focused as much on hypocrisy, Cynthia, as it was on anything else that she has – for purity balls and abstinence and all of that good stuff, and would not have sex education in schools and that’s why it was gleeful, I think, more than —

CYNTHIA: But you know, Joan, we like to gossip about it all. I just think that, you know, boy do we have more important things to worry about than whether or not her daughter’s pregnant.

JOAN C: But she uses her family politically a great deal in Alaska. There’s a very good piece – I think it’s in The Washington Post. They’ve done a lot of digging and her family is — her husband sits in on almost all the meetings in the governor’s office, and as her chief advisor; and sits in meetings with oil companies, even though he works for one, and advises her. And the children are everywhere. She takes them everywhere. And they’re very much part of the package. And so she’s in … that has invited some of this. But I’m telling you, it’s got to be news when someone brand new comes along to be one of the four major figures in the election and announces their teenage daughter is pregnant.

LESLEY: And not married.

JOAN C: And it was circulating on the Internet that her latest baby was really her daughter’s baby.

LESLEY: Can I step back for one second, step back about a mile, and just look at what’s happened from a distance because, Cynthia, I didn’t go to the convention so I was watching it, you know, at home. And what strikes me today is how brilliantly skillful the Republicans have been through all of this. They had no idea when they … when John McCain chose Sarah Palin at the very last second because he realized, or they forced on him that he couldn’t have his first pick, Joe Lieberman. When he picked Sarah Palin, and all these stories came up because she hadn’t been vetted very much, that they’ve handled all of this with just remarkable shrewdness and political genius because this really could have blown up in their faces.

259 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Diana T
What does it mean for Sen. Clinton “to take her on”? Clinton’s not running for anything, this year, and will try to put herself in position for running in 4 years. I do think it would be very beneficial for both of the Clintons to spread out and do some good old campaign stops because they are both artists at laying out the issues and giving convincing speeches on the issues. As to Palin, she is just one of 4 candidates, and will have to be treated Equally with the other 3. And, we must get back to looking at McCain/Obama in regards to issues, temperament, whatever people look at to make informed decisions. If everybody gets touchy about a pushy reporter asking persistent questions to any of the candidates, relax. That is just part of the process. If they can’t stay cool under that piddly kind of stress, how do you expect them to handle themselves in a major crisis? I have seen Barbara Walters or Mike Wallace practically climb in their faces to get answers, and not let up until they do.
By Diana T on 09/10/2008 12:33 am
Trish Hendrix
I find Joan Juliet Buck’s snarky comment that Governor Palin “doesn’t read” to be offensive and insulting. Ms. Buck is an idiot. The governor’s own sister just said in an interview on CNN that Sarah always had her nose in a book when they were growing up. Ms. Buck comes across as a very petty and small woman. Grow up Buck!
By Trish Hendrix on 09/10/2008 12:37 am
No Kill and Drill Palin
Trish, Well then let’s put it in a way that may be more palatable to you. If she reads, it doesn’t show. At all. Not in the least. How’s that?
By No Kill and Drill Palin on 09/10/2008 3:19 am
Marjorie C.
Trish: “I find Joan Juliet Buck’s snarky comment that Governor Palin “doesn’t read” to be offensive and insulting.” Yes, it was. “Ms. Buck is an idiot.” I don’t think so, but she might be trying to stir the pot again… or she might be proving David Brooks point: “Many liberals claim to love working-class families, but the moment they glimpse a hunter with an uneven college record, they hop on chairs and call for disinfectant.”
By Marjorie C. on 09/10/2008 7:46 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe
I am always amazed at how someone can call someone else “an idiot” and then criticize that same person for being “offensive and insulting”–––––Ms Buck does not, in any way shape or form, fit your description of her; your comments, on the other hand fit the bill.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 09/10/2008 1:34 pm
Josie Sullivan
You women can back up your ever living soul with facts and statistics, and I will stand in the knowledge that when some person or group takes time to respond, that it is a sign of intelligence. Taking time shows consideration. I wish that our current president had taken the time and consideration of others lives before he charged in to find that what he was charging into what was a mere partial illusion…we can’t afford partial illusions when it comes to peoples lives. What IF it was your husband or son or daughter….do you want unclear facts to gauge your loved one’s next move? do you really? think about it.
By Josie Sullivan on 09/10/2008 1:37 am
sanders c
Maybe everyone should simply wear dresses: America’s mayor: htthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8 Historical precedent: p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Hyde,_3rd_Earl_of_Clarendon
By sanders c on 09/10/2008 5:04 am
sanders c
Maybe everyone should simply wear dresses: America’s mayor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8 Historical precedent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Hyde,_3rd_Earl_of_Clarendon
By sanders c on 09/10/2008 5:12 am
No Kill and Drill Palin
Sanders—Hysterical. And what’s so weird about that is it isn’t once…Rudi G is always dressing up like a woman…what’s with that?!
By No Kill and Drill Palin on 09/13/2008 12:18 am
Bootsie Pakeman
Back in May McCain said the same thing about Hillary Lipstick and Pig. Is he senile or alzheirmer victim can’t keep track of how many homes he owns and demands an apology to Palin..Please. We all live in a community and have organizational leader looking out for the people in the community. Change Campaign Slogan was stolen from Obama Campaign. I may have posted this on the wrong page for Political comments. ALso if Cindy McCain loves America so much why did she sell Busch Gardens to a company in Belguim. Why don’t you all tell the truth and be fair across the board Ladies!!!! America can me cruel like Michelle Obama stated however if you are not living in the Ghetto where bullets fly nightly do to despair all around your neigborhood and the broken promises gas as high as hell I don’t want another 4 years of dead weight in the White House. More Blacks have been killled in DC than the war in Iraq to date. Has the President ever walked in the Ghetto right around the corner from the White House and offered Hope, Employment shown an ounce of love towards the average joe? Hell No!!! Sara only tears down Obama with words and repeats the samel thing over and over. San Francisco statements about Obama, What does she plan to do about home Foreclosures, Banks folding, Over crowded schools, gas prices.. Ask the questions we are dealing with on a daily basis! I am royally sick if Republicans being unfair to some folks like Haitian Immigrants are turned away, while others are allowed if for Political assylum talk about double standards!! Senior Citizens are better off with Obama who truly cares about the ORGANIZATION OF THE COMMUNITY where we live all ages, races and classes that live in communites exceptt for you folks and Palin and her blocks of ice and the Wooten scandal is the documented truth about the real vindictive person she is.
By Bootsie Pakeman on 09/10/2008 7:56 am
Barbara Taylor
McCain did not say the word lipsticks. Don’t have the exact quote but it was something like If it looks like a pig it’s a pig. Cindy McCain does not own Busch Gardens, is owns a company her father started that distributes for Anheuser-Busch beer
By Barbara Taylor on 09/10/2008 10:16 am
Tee Zee
Other politicians have also used the phrase in recent years, including Vice President Dick Cheney, Sen. Maria Cantwell of Washington state, Sen. James Inhofe of Oklahoma, Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, Rep. John Mica of Florida and Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado, among others. Torie Clarke, a former McCain adviser, even wrote a book called, “Lipstick on a Pig: Winning In the No-Spin Era by Someone Who Knows the Game.”
By Tee Zee on 09/10/2008 11:26 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe
Barbara: Go back to the beginning of this thread and see the link I gave to this story. Then you will see exactly what he did say.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 09/10/2008 1:38 pm
g c
I know I am changing the subject here but I saw an estimate on another site that Cindy McCains out fit was worth over 300,000 on one night of the convention. I remember saying to one of my accounts that I believed it was worth more than my car never dreamed it was worth more than my house. Maybe we could auction off her wardrobe to help some of the programs for the needy that her husband wants to cut. No wonder he is in lala land on the economy. I agree that so much talk about the vp spot is just a distraction, marketing, spin, dog and pony, smoke and mirror campaign engineered by Rove and his bunch but as a nation it is our right as citizens of this great country to question her record, her policies and her take on the world. Hillary has dealt with it on a much more intense level for over 16 years. Remember how Rush and his ilk tried to bash Hillary, perhaps some of the people advising McCain today are the same ones intent on crucifying Hillary all those years ago. I find it very shallow for them to now cry foul when she (Palin) is going through the same type of scrutiny the other candidates and Hillary have all ready faced. For McCains people to cry foul is very hypocritical. Obama has also dealt with scrutiny for over 18 months. We are not electing our next pta president here we are selecting the next POTUS. The People have Rights but we need to be very careful not to feed right into their machine.
By g c on 09/10/2008 8:35 am
C Hardy
Ok once again…here goes the bashing…ladies what are we going to talk about after Nov? I mean seriously can we talk about this race without putting someone down? Oh wait, NO I guess not b/c that is all that is ever done…
By C Hardy on 09/10/2008 8:44 am