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Conversation | 09/09/2008 6:15 pm

The wOw Women Weigh in on Sarah Palin, Republican Strategy and Slow Democratic Response

JONI: The election. There are so many angles here, I’m going to let you all decide which one you want to discuss. But here we are. I mean, at the end of the day the choice is really John McCain vs. Barack Obama. But, you wouldn’t think that today. You would think, well, all we’re doing is talking about Gov. Palin. And I guess every day talking about her is a bad thing for Obama, because we’re not talking about him. And another angle on all of this is about how the press has been so dismissive of her. And then yesterday you had Maureen Dowd completely turning around and saying she’ll probably be president in four years. So, the whole wrangle of vilification. Cynthia, since you’ve been to the Republican Convention, perhaps you’d like to start. Where are we on this election today?

CYNTHIA: There is no question Sarah Palin changed the conversation. And I think that’s exactly what John McCain hoped would happen. You know, we can debate her merits but, I mean, John McCain has achieved what he wanted politically, at least so far. Coming out of Denver and Obama’s Invesco speech, you know, the general feeling was "nothing can top that," and on Friday McCain did — by announcing Sarah Palin. And he and Palin have dominated the news cycle since. There’s still an awful lot we don’t know. And I’m not so sure that all of it, all of the vetting, has been terribly attractive. I think her daughter’s pregnancy – I’m not saying it’s off limits – but I don’t think it really matters very much and I don’t think the American people think it matters very much. And the sort of glee with which the mainstream media jumped on that seemed to me to be rather unattractive. Whether or not Sarah Palin is competent to be Commander in Chief has little to do with whether or not she is or she isn’t a good mother, which seemed to be what the debate was focusing on last week.

JOAN C: May I interject that I think it was focused as much on hypocrisy, Cynthia, as it was on anything else that she has – for purity balls and abstinence and all of that good stuff, and would not have sex education in schools and that’s why it was gleeful, I think, more than —

CYNTHIA: But you know, Joan, we like to gossip about it all. I just think that, you know, boy do we have more important things to worry about than whether or not her daughter’s pregnant.

JOAN C: But she uses her family politically a great deal in Alaska. There’s a very good piece – I think it’s in The Washington Post. They’ve done a lot of digging and her family is — her husband sits in on almost all the meetings in the governor’s office, and as her chief advisor; and sits in meetings with oil companies, even though he works for one, and advises her. And the children are everywhere. She takes them everywhere. And they’re very much part of the package. And so she’s in … that has invited some of this. But I’m telling you, it’s got to be news when someone brand new comes along to be one of the four major figures in the election and announces their teenage daughter is pregnant.

LESLEY: And not married.

JOAN C: And it was circulating on the Internet that her latest baby was really her daughter’s baby.

LESLEY: Can I step back for one second, step back about a mile, and just look at what’s happened from a distance because, Cynthia, I didn’t go to the convention so I was watching it, you know, at home. And what strikes me today is how brilliantly skillful the Republicans have been through all of this. They had no idea when they … when John McCain chose Sarah Palin at the very last second because he realized, or they forced on him that he couldn’t have his first pick, Joe Lieberman. When he picked Sarah Palin, and all these stories came up because she hadn’t been vetted very much, that they’ve handled all of this with just remarkable shrewdness and political genius because this really could have blown up in their faces.

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Laurie Ruder
Dear Women, I’ve been trying to fair about Sarah Palin but it is hard. I lived in Wasilla, Alaska. It is a very small town made up of strip malls. Alaska has a high rate of drug and alcohol abuse. Never once did she try any programs to address this problem. I guess you all have seen the pictures of her daughter partying with her friends. Sarah was in it for the money and the prestige. She left Wasilla broke. What I would like to know is how to get all of this information out to the public. Why is it that, or what is it that right wing Christian women just don’t want to hear about the lies, much left believe it. Everytime I bring this conversation up all I get is Obama is a Muslim, or better yet the Anti-Christ. Could someone explain a reason or theory behind this attitude. Lost 3 friends because of a Obama bumper sticker. Laurie
By Laurie Ruder on 09/10/2008 1:02 pm
DeBúrca obj
Laurie, contact the Ed Schultz radio show, I’ll bet he’d be happy to interview you. You can e-mail him with your information. In fact try all the progressive shows. You’ll have a lot more luck there than you will with the corporate media.
By DeBúrca obj on 09/10/2008 3:44 pm
No Kill and Drill Palin
Laurie—-Sign up as a blogger at Huffingtong Post and put it there, also Buzzflash.com write in their viewer mailbag……they have 1M readers a month very activist…and HuffPos very activist too, Email it to Obama campaign. thanks!!
By No Kill and Drill Palin on 09/13/2008 12:22 am
Kat Pos
I would be interested in some discussion on the women voters who are drawn to Palin and what they are looking for or home from her as a vice president. I don’t assume they are all limited thinkers with religious blinders on. I’m from a working class background—first in the family to go to college, dad and brother are hunters, my brother is a Republican mayor of a town the size of Wasilla, both my parents worked the line at General Motors—and they too married in their teens because my mother was pregnant. All my grandparents were devout, conservative Christians, so there was no other choice for my parents but to marry. The next generation is still religous, but their families show much more divorce, children born out of marriage, more open problems with addiction and crime—and women who work a range of jobs to keep the family financially solvent. Often their children go to community college, and often they don’t finish their degrees, or it takes them a long time to finish. These are the people who populate those Mid-country states that are the heart of this election. I believe Palin excites the women in my extended family because they seriously admire that she started with nothing, still got her college degree (and it doesn’t matter how she pasted it together—she still got it), then worked her way up in political office to a job they suspect they could do. (They suspect they could do a better job than George Bush. Well, are some of them so far off the mark on that?) They have felt condescended to by men, and plenty of times by women with more education and more money. These are tough, hard working women who probably don’t think Palin is perfect, but they do finally see something in her they can believe in. (Just like I saw myself in Hillary. My college education, international travel, and my own reorientation to my religious faith has put me in a different place politically.) I don’t see these women as stupid, and I don’t see them as blinded by the media, rabid pro-life church leaders, or lying political ads. I think their reaction to Palin right now is more basic: Should you have to go to Yale or Harvard to run this country? Should you have to sign off on a good paying job and a chance to run the show if you are female and have young children? Should you have to hang your head in shame and call it quits when your daughter gets knocked up? Should you have to give up your church and faith, the only consistent source of support and empowerment you can count on, in order to lead? This is the first time the spot light is truly on these women and the power they have, and you better believe they are at the moment euphoric. Why shouldn’t they be? Even Hillary could not take them this far in this way. I don’t want to discount them, or discount what this development might do to energize them as voters or their engagement with the political process. I think women will decide this race, one way or another, and both campaigns are going to have to figure out how to talk clear, hard and fast to all women, because once we start getting used to Palin on the ticket (and the euphoria one one side and the fear on the other wears off), we might get to finally hear the age old question sincerely asked, “What do women really want?”
By Kat Pos on 09/10/2008 1:32 pm
Patty E
As one who was not born into wealth, who had to earn her own way thru college, who has had failures as well as successes, I fully expect that a Woman who wants to be the VP has the guts to stand in FRONT of the American people, and TELL us what her POSITIONS of the ISSUES are, that impels her to run for office. Instead, this woman, Palin stands BEHIND the planners of her candidacy, waiting for PERMISSION to speak for herself, and instead of speaking her own ideas as to issues, chooses to be a parrot, repeating what she is told to say, rather than think for herself. As you pointed out, A person does not have to go to Yale or Harvard to be a parrot for a machine that plucked her out of nowhere——when she didn;t even know she wanted to be chosen!. And you want me to beiieve that she is progressing the cause of women!? How! by suggesting that if one looks attractive to men, and smiles a lot, and repeats daily the mantra written FOR her by men, they one can get a high-paying job for which they are not qualified for?
By Patty E on 09/10/2008 7:43 pm
Kat Pos
Patty, From the perspective of women I grew up with, Palin is a huge affirmation, regardless of what motivated McCain for choosing her or whether she’s prepared for the job or the right person. (We can’t pretend this didn’t first happen with Obama voters when he hit the scene as well.) When asked, they will say, “I’m definitely voting for her,” but they are usually Republican voters anyway. They are simply voting with more enthusiasm, because they can’t get excited about McCain, but they can Palin. Regardless of her multiple flaws, Palin has changed the face of politics for them, and I think in the long run women in general. Even television has not imagined in the White House a woman from Sarah Palin’s demographic. What’s fascinating to me here is if Obama energized the youth and black vote (along with other minorities), and Hillary Clinton energized Independents and Democratic women, then Palin has put conservative white women at the top table as well, and they are an unpredictable and at times a highly pragmatic bunch. You want to know some of the most ardent supporters of gay rights? Conservative mothers (some working class) who out of love for their gay children have gone through a conversion, so to speak. (Even Laura Bush has said she doesn’t support repeal of Roe vs. Wade.). But what Palin represents—in her marriage, her achievements and even how she speaks will resonate. In my family’s church women can’t be ministers, but now possibly PRESIDENT? How does this change the dynamics on their home and church front? Don’t underestimate (or discount) what this expanding table might mean for women from other underrepresented groups, because we need them in politics. I don’t believe McCain-Palin will (or should) win this ticket, so maybe it’s easy for me to see more overall promise then destruction here. The regional breakdown of the Gallup poll that showed McCain polling suddenly so much higher than Obama reveals the South as by far the largest area for this upsurge, and those states were not going to Obama-Biden (or Hillary) anyway. The working class of the Midwest (to which I was referring) did not show such a leap, but the points went up there as well. Palin is about the base. I agree that Palin and the McCain campaign lost important ground with some potential voters and the general public over her unwillingness to speak to the press. (I rest that responsibility squarely on her shoulders, and she did not come through. If I ever dare get into an argument over her with one of my aunts, I’ll be bringing that up.) There is this weird GOP vibe of ownership and protectiveness over Palin which reeks not a little of its own brand of sexism, and sadly she appears to accept it—for now.
By Kat Pos on 09/11/2008 3:13 am
Lucinda Herbert
Kat, Thank you for submitting your very insightful post. It is important to have a clear understanding of why so many women - and frankly men - across the country are excited about Palin. So many of these people feel they are able to relate to her and they admire how far she has gotten. She is one of them. And, you are so right, her admirers do believe that they themselves could do a perfectly good job themselves, if they set their minds to it, because they have common sense and very solid real “just plain living” experience. Their perspective is that not having an Ivy League education doesn’t mean you’re not smart, savvy, and perfectly capable of making good decisions, once you familiarize yourself with the facts. So many of the women we’ve been hearing from are angry and so disdainful of those who don’t agree with them. Politics is a really exciting spectator sport for me and I have found its evolution this season to be a truly interesting sociological study. Unfortunately, neither Hillary nor Sarah speak for me. I need to hear more from both McCain and Obama about how they plan to address the economy. I recently read this article, which hasn’t boosted my confidence in Obama … I haven’t been overwhelmed by McCain’s plan either http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/business/31every.html?em
By Lucinda Herbert on 09/10/2008 7:56 pm
JJ GB
I have nothing personal, in particular against Gov. Palin, but since she’s part of the McCain package, I am not swayed. So she has a pregnant, unmarried teenage daughter, so what? So do many other families in this nation who would rather not be in that situation and it’s her family’s business, not mine. As I have said before, in an earlier post, McCain knew what he was doing when he chose her and it was a smooth calculating move on his part. It’s working, isn’t it? So she has 5 children, so what? There are millions of other working mothers in the same boat and she has an involved husband and close knit family to help her and the money to hire more help if she needs. How many working mothers can say that? Do her children appear neglected? Not as far as I can tell, but that’s not the point. I want someone in the Presidential seat who’s going to make not only the lives of Americans better, but my life personally. If what we have up to now isn’t working, then I want a change for something better and Obama seems to be the only one offering that. That’s what I see in “black and white” and I’m sure someone can nitpick that term into something other than what it is.
By JJ GB on 09/10/2008 2:23 pm
starry Nite
DeBurca- Suzane, Diana - Keep up the good work!!! I read a theory - that the religeous right sees Sarah Palin as being persecuted for her religeous beliefs. Even though the issues are political - religion is at the core of this issue. I think the reason we keep coming back to her is because McCain has become a none issue, along with real issues. She keeps giving the same scripted speech as does he. . We seem to be presenting “facts” ours and theirs. Hopefully people reading this blog but not responding might become informed enough to make a choice. .
By starry Nite on 09/10/2008 4:27 pm
JWM JWM
What I don’t understand is how can you believe in right to life, including rape, and personally shoot and kill a moose?!
By JWM JWM on 09/10/2008 5:04 pm
Marjorie C.
One small question to you JWM, do you eat meat? Do you realize that someone has to kill and butcher animals so that you can enjoy the meat you eat? I’m about the closest thing to a vegetarian that I could be, so personally, I don’t like the idea of Palin killing any animals. I don’t like it at all. Can you imagine how I feel about killing babies?
By Marjorie C. on 09/11/2008 6:22 am
starry Nite
I don’t understand it either. But it seems to me some women will negate their own views just to vote for a woman. Others say they are voting for McCain/Palin because they will feel safer with McCain even though he is showing signs of senility. Palin knows very little about anything outside of Alaska. The Bush administration over the last 8years our country has plunged into a financial mess. Jobless rate is over the top. Why would anyone want 4 more years? Why would anyone risk freedom of speech and religion under Palin. No Palin is not an ordinary socker mom- socker mom,
By starry Nite on 09/10/2008 6:22 pm
Maurine H
I haven’t time right now to read through the entire thread, so I don’t know if anyone else has brought this to light. But all the brouhaha over Obama’s “lipstick on a pig” statement is laughable. John McCain used the same analogy when talking about Hillary Clinton’s health care plan. See it for yourselves : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMPYkNQlJMM Just one more bit of hypocrisy by the Republicans who are now piling it up so high it’s going to be taller than the Tower of Babel.
By Maurine H on 09/10/2008 7:54 pm
Brooklyn Gal
Mo, I don’t know if it was on here or some other thread, but Star brought it up and I pointed out the McCain statement and that it is just a saying used to describe a particular policy. I was a bit surprised by Star’s not recognizing the saying. It’s an old English idiom meaning trying to make something look better than it is. Used car salemen have been accused of putting lipstick on a pig for decades. Unfortunately CBS News did not bother to show McCain using the expression against Hillary. So here is McCain using it the same exact way against Hillary. Now where’s the outrage? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR8IhMMhe8w
By Brooklyn Gal on 09/10/2008 8:57 pm
Maurine H
Carol - Great minds think alike….ours, I mean. mo
By Maurine H on 09/10/2008 9:25 pm