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Conversation | 09/09/2008 6:15 pm

The wOw Women Weigh in on Sarah Palin, Republican Strategy and Slow Democratic Response

JONI: The election. There are so many angles here, I’m going to let you all decide which one you want to discuss. But here we are. I mean, at the end of the day the choice is really John McCain vs. Barack Obama. But, you wouldn’t think that today. You would think, well, all we’re doing is talking about Gov. Palin. And I guess every day talking about her is a bad thing for Obama, because we’re not talking about him. And another angle on all of this is about how the press has been so dismissive of her. And then yesterday you had Maureen Dowd completely turning around and saying she’ll probably be president in four years. So, the whole wrangle of vilification. Cynthia, since you’ve been to the Republican Convention, perhaps you’d like to start. Where are we on this election today?

CYNTHIA: There is no question Sarah Palin changed the conversation. And I think that’s exactly what John McCain hoped would happen. You know, we can debate her merits but, I mean, John McCain has achieved what he wanted politically, at least so far. Coming out of Denver and Obama’s Invesco speech, you know, the general feeling was "nothing can top that," and on Friday McCain did — by announcing Sarah Palin. And he and Palin have dominated the news cycle since. There’s still an awful lot we don’t know. And I’m not so sure that all of it, all of the vetting, has been terribly attractive. I think her daughter’s pregnancy – I’m not saying it’s off limits – but I don’t think it really matters very much and I don’t think the American people think it matters very much. And the sort of glee with which the mainstream media jumped on that seemed to me to be rather unattractive. Whether or not Sarah Palin is competent to be Commander in Chief has little to do with whether or not she is or she isn’t a good mother, which seemed to be what the debate was focusing on last week.

JOAN C: May I interject that I think it was focused as much on hypocrisy, Cynthia, as it was on anything else that she has – for purity balls and abstinence and all of that good stuff, and would not have sex education in schools and that’s why it was gleeful, I think, more than —

CYNTHIA: But you know, Joan, we like to gossip about it all. I just think that, you know, boy do we have more important things to worry about than whether or not her daughter’s pregnant.

JOAN C: But she uses her family politically a great deal in Alaska. There’s a very good piece – I think it’s in The Washington Post. They’ve done a lot of digging and her family is — her husband sits in on almost all the meetings in the governor’s office, and as her chief advisor; and sits in meetings with oil companies, even though he works for one, and advises her. And the children are everywhere. She takes them everywhere. And they’re very much part of the package. And so she’s in … that has invited some of this. But I’m telling you, it’s got to be news when someone brand new comes along to be one of the four major figures in the election and announces their teenage daughter is pregnant.

LESLEY: And not married.

JOAN C: And it was circulating on the Internet that her latest baby was really her daughter’s baby.

LESLEY: Can I step back for one second, step back about a mile, and just look at what’s happened from a distance because, Cynthia, I didn’t go to the convention so I was watching it, you know, at home. And what strikes me today is how brilliantly skillful the Republicans have been through all of this. They had no idea when they … when John McCain chose Sarah Palin at the very last second because he realized, or they forced on him that he couldn’t have his first pick, Joe Lieberman. When he picked Sarah Palin, and all these stories came up because she hadn’t been vetted very much, that they’ve handled all of this with just remarkable shrewdness and political genius because this really could have blown up in their faces.

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K O
Hi Donna, The economy is neither candidate’s strong point http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/411750_updated_candidates_sum… Obama raises taxes now with a lesser - but significant ($3.4 b) - effect on the national debt, and McCain keeps taxes lower adding more ($5 b) to the national debt. Those who assume that the Department of Defense budget will be significantly lower with Senator Obama neglect to account for two policies - build-up in the Afghanistan war and expenses attributable to his policy to build up in domestic armed forces (both discussed in his policy statement on his web site). If it were true that Obama’s Iraq policy would be an overall savings, his campaign would have made that clear. Not a pitch for either side - neither has an economic policy that is much better than the other’s, in my opinion.
By K O on 09/10/2008 10:49 am
Brooklyn Gal
There is too much hypocrisy going on here at Wow. Not once was there any posts on civility for Hillary, even after I made many comments to that effect to the Founders. I not just objected to the anti-Hillary comments, but many of Wow’s anti-Hillary posts. But, now that the criticism may backfire on Palin and hurt Obama, you get nervous and slap comments here. (see Palin supporters, it has nothing to do with you guys, its their fear that the election may be taking a turn towards your guy). Some would like Hillary to take on Palin? That’s not her job! She will speak for the Democratic ticket. She knows Conservatives would have a field day with her and Bill if she took that route, and with 2012 in her sites, you bet she is going to learn from her mistakes and get a tougher, tighter more controlled campaign the next time around. She will not take the nomination for granted and knows she will probably have to face Palin. So for WoW to evoke the name of Hillary? How ‘bout a post on Palin’s actual record instead of making the rest of us do the leg work.
By Brooklyn Gal on 09/09/2008 9:06 pm
Linda Mason
Hi Carol — you state: “not once was there any posts on civility for Hillary…” Well, maybe you did not check the site every day, and so you missed them, but I assure you that there were such posts. I hope that makes you feel better. But I must ask you — if you did not see any such posts, why didn’t you create a few yourself? Perhaps you did — perhaps those were the ones I saw. Go Cubs!
By Linda Mason on 09/09/2008 11:46 pm
No Kill and Drill Palin
Linda—- I don’t know what your repeated “Go Cubs!” refers to……But best to keep all furry critters out of Alaska unless they wish to be blasted by Palin’s shotgun, skinned by her, and pan fried. Gee, what a sweet lady. Watch out little fella…Palin wants to serve you like steak: http://www.motherjones.com/blue_marble_blog/cuteknut1.jpg Cute Moose family frolicking in sprinklers…….Watch it guys…Palin wants you shot to death and draped on top of her SUV. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4Rqbv6O-rI Because, you know, she cares soooooo much about life.
By No Kill and Drill Palin on 09/09/2008 11:57 pm
Brooklyn Gal
Linda, What on earth!!! I and others complained furiously about Wow’s encouraging derogatory comments against Hillary during the primaries. A “post” or “thread” unlike “a comment” is written by Wow. I can only write comments, not posts. And there were NO POSTS even after the notorious 1,000+ comments written about Hillary. I wrote a comment on that post written by Liz Smith, and Wow’s Joni’s replied with a congratulations on hitting over 1,000 comments. So Linda, maybe I was out of town, but I would appreciate it if you would show me one Wow post from any of the Wow Founders asking for civility for Hillary. However, if you would like to see my numerous “comments” complaining to the Wow Founders regarding Hillary’s treatment, and telling them they seem only to be more interested in Wow’s financial success since at the time Wow was still on Beta, rather than the frenzy Wow was creating against Hillary, feel free.
By Brooklyn Gal on 09/10/2008 9:05 am
Linda Mason
Carol — I am a relative newcomer to this site, and to “blogspeak.” I was merrily going along, using “comments” and “posts” as synonyms — and No one told me otherwise! Actually you have done me a kindness. Anyway, I can’t imagine that this Site ever encouraged derogatory comments re: HRC. But I have gotten used to the fact that HRC supporters and Obama supporters can look at the same set of facts (or the same posts, etc. if you will) and see radically differnt things. In any case, I accept your word that you made numerous comments complaining of HRC’s treatment. Go Cubs!
By Linda Mason on 09/10/2008 8:08 pm
Brooklyn Gal
Linda, If you ever have a rainy afternoon with nothing to do, here is a post that will take a few hours to read. But I warn you—better have a couple of vodka martinis before you start because it’s going to be a bumpy ride. http://www.wowowow.com/conversation/hillary-clinton-barack-obama-vice-pr…
By Brooklyn Gal on 09/10/2008 8:43 pm
No Kill and Drill Palin
Gee, I’d forgotten about that…..rough and tumble…we’ve actually turned into a comparative tea party. Ha.
By No Kill and Drill Palin on 09/13/2008 12:12 am
mitzi morris
Thank you Carol L. Hillary was routinely savaged on WOW and there was never a post written about the obscene treatment she was receiving. Just remember MSNBC calling her a pimp because Chelsea was campaigning for her mother. I had seen Obama’s website with Black Panther ads in it that called Hillary a “HO” and sold tee shirts with these slurs and more. Where was WOW? Even for those not approving of Hillary, on principle these attacks whether directed at Hillary,Palin, or any woman running for public office should have been rejected. I am not adverse to political disagreement or realistic and respectfu challenges on issues and policies past or present, but the sexism has been disgusting. WOW did nothing to object to this. In fact, there was lots of rampant ‘Hate Hillary’ comments that were untrue, vicious, and sexist. WOW has often been more concerned about trivia, and while I realize this is not a political site, this is a momentous time for women on the political and gender level that WOW’s founders have failed to address. We will not all be wondering about Manolo B shoes in the comming financial meltdown,but who and how we will be led and represented. I know WOW needs advertisers, but surely there must be a way to attract sponsors without being in denial.
By mitzi morris on 09/16/2008 5:59 pm
Brooklyn Gal
Mitzi, There are websites that claim to be for Obama but are shills. I can’t believe that Obama’s official website ever ran that Hillary attack—it would have made headlines!!! Be careful with search engines. They are not always reliable.
By Brooklyn Gal on 09/16/2008 6:21 pm
Marjorie C.
Carol: “…see Palin supporters, it has nothing to do with you guys, its their fear that the election may be taking a turn towards your guy…” I think we’ve understood that, but it didn’t make the insults sting any less. And there were some of us who, rightly or wrongly, wouldn’t allow ourselves to be driven off the site. it was nice to read your take on Hillary because it is mine also. We simply diverged after the June selection, you stayed with the Dems, I moved on to something else. Each of us have only one vote, we must use it wisely. Peace.
By Marjorie C. on 09/10/2008 7:26 am
Brooklyn Gal
Majorie, What I have always said was attack Palin on the issues and her tenure as mayor and governor which I feel are not worth her being nominated for this office. I still can’t get over any female politician making rape victims pay for their evidence gathering. Now the Repubs are trying to get the Troopergate investigation stopped. That does not sit well with me. My own former governor went through the same investigation, why should it be different for Palin? I have been going straight to the Alaskan newspapers not Huffington and reading back issues. I was surprised many of her friends are not ready to support her. I was hoping that her interview would shed new light and I would feel a bit more comfortable if McCain wins. I don’t.
By Brooklyn Gal on 09/16/2008 6:18 pm
Melanie B
I certainly hope we can get to the extremely serious issues on the table in this election. The McCain/Palin ticket has a very limited definition of what constitutes a family. (Daddy + Mommy (married) + kids)and it is very concerning and hurtful. I am not suggesting that there is anything wrong with this formula (it’s wonderful) but it is not the only formula for a successful family. I personally have had to choose the members that make up my “family” due to death and other issues, yet because my family does not fall with in that formula, we would continue to be invisible to their administration as we have under Bush. No government should be able to define my family for me. How is that constitutional??? McCain/Palin is going to cut government programs that don’t work. Sounds like a great idea and I am sure the big one that they will focus on will be welfare. I think most all of us could agree that welfare as it stands is not effective on many levels but we need smart people to redesign these programs to actually work and not just cut them. Forget the statistics because the numbers just make it easy to distance ourselves from the real people behind the numbers. Lots of people are really hurting but even if just one of us is hungry or without, it is one too many. It always amazes me that people get so fired up about the tax payer resources put into social welfare programs but are not at all bothered about the legacy of corporate welfare that the McCain/Palin ticket is sure to continue. This ticket insists all babies be born but then set plans into to motion to cut programs that could help them once they are here. I have many friends that have dedicated their lives to working with the developmentally disabled. Most of them earn wages that are well below the poverty line. Not everyone can afford to pay for a nanny or private care. We must have a government that exhausts all avenues of diplomacy with our global neighbors before engaging in war. Terrorism will not be defeated without building relationships that are based on what we have in common as human beings. God did not just make the United States…he made the world (in my opinion). We have been made stewards of this planet and the animals by God (in my opinion) and I don’t think we are doing such a good job of it and I don’t think we are very far off from disastrous consequences because of it. I really could go on and on…..
By Melanie B on 09/09/2008 9:08 pm
Chrome Toe
Well… SOMEBODY needs to take her on. I think the original uproar over her daughter and the odd kind of spiteful backlash she received caused the Obama people to believe that in order to take the high road they needed to be hands off. But it’s time now to take the gloves off. But the worst part is what one of the wow ladies above stated about how she’s dominated the news cycle. That alone is a huge boost to the McCain campaign. It’s got to stop. so like I said.. the Obama campaign needs to find a way to step up to the battle again.
By Chrome Toe on 09/09/2008 9:12 pm
No Kill and Drill Palin
Kellyx2—I hope, and believe, that the Obama campaign is sitting back, gathering info, putting together another strategy/team/commercials and will come out swinging. I think that having such a successful convention and speech pulled out from under them by Ms Mooseburger has taken them by surprise and they need to rethink.
By No Kill and Drill Palin on 09/10/2008 12:00 am