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Q & A | 08/20/2009 9:00 am

Brain Aerobics With Dr. Paul Nussbaum

wOw’s Joni Evans sits down with neuropsychologist Dr. Paul Nussbaum to talk about the other muscle we’ve got to keep fit.
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WOW: I’m delighted to be talking to Dr. Paul Nussbaum, a noted clinical neuropsychologist, and the national leader in brain health. Dr. Nussbaum is cited frequently in the media and in the national press, including The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, USA Today. He is also a recent winner of the 2007 American Society on Aging’s Gloria Cavanaugh Award for Excellence in Training and Education in the field of aging. Dr. Nussbaum, I don’t know who Gloria Cavanaugh is.

PAUL: Oh, she’s a great lady and remains a great lady and is a leader in the field of aging.

WOW: I see. I see. Well, congratulations for that. We’ve been gifted to have Fit Brains on the wOw site for a couple of months now. It’s a very popular part of the site, and I thought I’d take the opportunity to ask you the science behind the games, the exercises. Our demographic is mostly women over 40, and all of them are beautiful and intelligent and savvy and accomplished. Yet, I would say we all share the same fear of losing it.

PAUL: Yes.

WOW: I wonder if you could just enlighten us a little bit about how we know – there must be a clinical answer – to knowing the difference between any kind of loss of memory that is natural and normal, and that which is serious and could be an Alzheimer’s alert.

PAUL: The first part of your question is that recently we’ve learned that this greatest system ever designed – the human brain – is able to be shaped and can develop, and it has what’s called "plasticity," which is a fancy way of saying that your brain is dynamic, it’s constantly reorganizing and it’s malleable. Across the lifespan, your brain doesn’t care how old you are, it just wants to be stimulated. And we’ve learned, actually in 1998, that the human brain can generate new brain cells. Interestingly we knew that for rats back in the ’50s, but we just discovered it for the humans, go figure, in 1998. So the question becomes: What do we as humans do? What can we do to promote brain health? How can we increase the number of brain cells in our brain and create, really, Joni, what’s called "brain reserve." Brain reserve is the foundation; it’s the altar for brain health. And the way that I describe brain reserve is, very simply, this: If you’re flying in an airplane, you’re 500 feet above the ground and you’re looking down at a jungle … we all have that image in our head. You can’t even see the land because the trees are so dense. Compare that image to flying at 500 feet and looking down and seeing a Caribbean island, if you will, with one palm tree. We all want our brains to look like the jungle because – if you stay with me – Alzheimer’s disease is a type of weed whacker. It comes in, it doesn’t take out the weeds – it takes out brain cells. And what we know is if you have a jungle – if your brain looks like a jungle – you have tremendous brain reserve. Such that, that weed whacker, even though it may be in your brain, is going to take a long time to show its face. In fact, research today indicates that some brains at autopsy are diagnosed with Alzheimer’s, that the classic neuropathologic markers are there, yet the person never manifested the disease in life. So the key is, how do we build brain reserve? And that’s where I have been talking about and publishing a brain health lifestyle. It’s one of the proactive things/ways that we can build up brain reserve across our lifespan, and it includes five major domains.

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Terra  Vita
I absolutely love seeing this here. Our brain is our future and I love anything on this subject. Dr. Paul Nussbaum is someone I follow. Thank you for this and the other intriguing subjects you are exploring. Bravo! Bravo!
By Terra Vita on 08/20/2009 10:38 am
Frannie Em
Thank you Joni and wow for this great article and the "mind games".  I am familiar with Dr. Nussbaum and am so glad he contributed to this conversation.  I made my list of the 5 aspects of brain health 1) socialization 2) physical activity 3) mental stimulation (novel and complex), 4) nutrition and 5) spirituality.  I find it interesting that in one way or another these factors are a list that contain the personal interests that women on this site have talked about to enhance our lives.  It all fits so well.  After reading this, I have a renewed interest to focus on the "novel and complex" and feel like there is an adventure waiting for me to discover.  I can’t wait to explore something that will mentally stimulate me over and over again.  
By Frannie Em on 08/20/2009 2:08 pm
Chris Broersma
For those who want to try and stave off Alzheimer’s this is a must!!!
By Chris Broersma on 08/20/2009 12:32 pm
Connie Reinig
I know there are “brain games” on the market. Can anyone suggest some games they have used that seem stimulating? Connie
By Connie Reinig on 08/20/2009 4:54 pm
Judy K.
Dr. Nussbaum didnt mention shrinking of the brain and white matter. How does this affect the older brain.  I read too much white matter can cause dementia, too little MS.  But just enough works as a conduit for the brain to pass info to the nerves (?).  How much can the brain shrink before it is a problem?  Any comments?
By Judy K. on 08/20/2009 8:53 pm
Chrome Toe

incredibly interesting info! If the Dr. is reading any of this I have been wondering about memory that is NOT related to alzheimers. well at least I don’t think it is. But i’ve just got a terrible memory! seriously…. I can walk out of a building and be taking the first step off their walkway and for a second forget where I just was! someone can say to me "hey grab me the milk" and I will forget they asked me that before I get to the refrigerator. It seems to be getting worse. I’ve tried being more conscious of what i’m doing but it doesn’t seem to be helping. I can’t imagine it’s related to alzheimers and i haven’t been worried that it’s anything really "wrong". i’ve just wondered why my memory is like that and yet my husband never forgets ANYTHING. seriously… he can remember songs from tv shows in the 60’s that he never watched! just heard in a room on occassion. he beats everyone in any kind of trivia or memory game. he just remembers EVERYTHING. what is up with that?

By Chrome Toe on 08/20/2009 10:16 pm
Debora  Moshos
I was just thinking the same about myself. I know it’s not alzeimers or menopause because I’ve been that way from childhood. I always got into trouble when I’d say "I forgot" but it was true. I’ve been waiting til I got older so I’d have an excuse! However I’m very good at academics and in certain things my mind is like a steel trap! It’s weird. But it’s also a real problem because it causes a lot of inefficiency and sometimes chaos! Could it be ADHD? It runs in our family but I have never had learning problems or dislexia or anything. It would be great if there was a way to "excercise" the brain to get better at this type of  memory.
By Debora Moshos on 08/30/2009 10:51 am
Chrome Toe

Debora- that’s so funny as I’d forgotten (lol!) that I used to get in trouble all the time for saying "I forgot". My mother who never forgot anything always thought I was lying. but really… I forgot! I also did very well academically. Graduating from college with honors. I have a mind like a stell trap in some was also. I suppose I’d be the person you would say something about like "not much gets by her". BUT… I am constantly looking forgetting things like where I put my car keys, or my earrings. I lose so many things that my husband says there is some kind of universe where everything I’ve lost is floating around. I guess it’s more what you would call "absent minded". Which is ironic because my 27 year old daughter tells me the "cure" is to be "present" in the moment. She says I’m always on to the next thing before the current thing is finished.

By Chrome Toe on 08/30/2009 7:04 pm
Constance K.
I found this to be a fascinating discussion.  Thank you. I will do some brain games and have more sex!
By Constance K. on 08/22/2009 12:22 am
Chrome Toe
Good call Constance! I for one decided to take up motocross this weekend at almost 46 years old lol. I think that was challenging enough… for sure…I told my husband on the way home that I think I built up some great "brain reserve".
By Chrome Toe on 08/30/2009 7:06 pm
jackie hubbard hubbard

thanks for the brain games,good for the mind and soul!

jackie h.

By jackie hubbard hubbard on 09/25/2009 2:44 pm
catherine P
Thank you very much it is very informative discussion.I will be following this conversation..Im into the brain games and i found out it is very interesting..Try it guys..
By catherine P on 10/19/2009 3:20 am