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Conversation | 05/13/2009 11:00 pm

How to Reinvent Yourself in These Changing Times: The wOw Conversation

Gain exposure, find a hobby and other wise words from Candice Bergen, Liz Smith and Cynthia McFadden.
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LIZ: I work harder now than I’ve ever worked. I make relatively no money. But it’s funny, I’m looking to a payoff down the line, as if I’m going to live forever. And honestly, I think that’s the best way to live, instead of waking up in a cold sweat every morning and saying, “Hey, I may not be here tomorrow.” And also, I really have rediscovered the joy of working just for the joy of work. Work is just wonderful. I think you would say, Candy, that if you could go back to the terrible hard days of "Murphy Brown" it would make you happy. Maybe you don’t want to or need to, but you have said that was a wonderful moment for you.

CANDICE: It was a great moment. I wouldn’t mind, you know, one Murphy special, but ten more years would be … it would kill me, frankly. It was a lot of work. It was great. But I just turned down a lead in a sitcom because I wanted to be next to my husband instead of in Los Angeles all the time.

LIZ: Well that makes sense, knowing your husband. Do you see yourself doing less acting in the future?

This is a seminal time in this moment in the world, because so many people are displaced from their comfort and from their security.

CANDICE: I see myself doing less, I would say. Yes.

LIZ: But you are taking a sculpture class right now.

CANDICE: It’s true. I’m taking a sculpture class just to fight my inertia when I’m not working. But I love it. It’s great fun. I would probably work less, but I would get involved in other areas, or maybe if I could get my ass in gear to write. I should do that.

LIZ: Would you consider doing a role on the Broadway stage, Candy, or is that too hard?

CANDICE: I’m worried about my memory, frankly. But I would if it were something, you know, funny enough or someone that I cared about enough to do that with. I think that would be great fun.

CYNTHIA: Is it the work or is it the location of the work that has you … I mean, it seems to me, in some ways you don’t want to be in California all the time. Is that what I hear you saying?

CANDICE: Yes. And I also don’t want to be doing a full-time show because it’s —

CYNTHIA: Right. It’s brutal.

CANDICE: — exhausting. But no, I just like to be doing something and I don’t even care too much what it is, just as long as it keeps me busy and engaged. What about you guys?

LIZ: Well, Cynthia, speaking of a brutal schedule, you have a brutal job. You’re just on call all the time.

CYNTHIA: I’m trying to be Murphy Brown, which is really hard! On the topic of adapting to changing times, I realize that working with very young people has been really good for me. I have been forced – and pleasantly so – to change my attitudes about lots of things, and to grow. You know, I think that’s the ticket to evolution for me. It’s great to try to preserve the things that work from the past. I think one of the reasons that Liz is perpetually so young is she has so many young friends. And I think that’s a huge part of making an evolution in your life, in your career, in your thinking. 

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Linda Myers

I can identify with what is being said, probably Liz hit closer to my circumstances. I host a website that averages 1000 readers a day, write a blog that is posted unto three different formats, work part-time mostly to pull myself into the social world, but I enjoy it also. The best part of my job, is seeing all the children and babies. This world is producing some incredible kids.

I wrote a book, but for now pulled it from the way I had published it. I do what I enjoy. I work with cancer patients and others, doing energy work. When the docs say they are done, that is usually when I get the contact, but there are miracles and only one that I have worked with passed from this world. Where it might all lead in life, I am not sure. I write a newsletter a couple times a month, when I am able to pull it together and put my mission statement always on the back page. I believe that it takes a village at times to bring your desires into reality. I live having faith in who I am, and what I do. All the rest seems to take care of itself.

Namaste’

By Linda Myers on 05/14/2009 12:46 am
Suzanne de Cornelia

I think a person needs to think in terms of being the CEO or art director of their own life.

It isn’t expensive to have a regular kind of website, I know people who are making over $100K a year with a free e-Blogger or Word Press site, a Lulu.com storefront, and Paypal. Of course they have a well thought out plan and really work it, too. My site is nearly free [$100. a year] it isn’t elaborate but it is a ‘storefront’ for what I do: online PR for wineries and wine festivals: http://web.mac.com/frenchheart/

I started that because as a result of being at UCLA writing my novel, which is set on wineries in Aix-en-Provence, France and Santa Barbara, I did a great deal of research on winery operations for the book at the same time that interstate trade laws changed, and Internet online sales exploded. So this lead to new work that will eventually help my book, too, because I have a huge database of wine industry connections as a result. 

I have the FrenchHeart.com domain, which is the title of my novel, but haven’t yet added it to the site, yet.  I worked so hard [and with so much help at UCLA] and completed and had the novel professionally edited and ready to go, but put it aside when my brother died.

In the last 9+ months I’ve cried infinitely more than in my entire life, and never sleep, so I recently decided that on the one-year anniversary 7/23 am going to the spot where he died, leave tons of white potted flowering plants, and then burn all the black clothes I’ve worn since his death, then will get back on the book activities, which have seemed too frivolous in view of what happened to him, and which has been foremost on my mind the last 10 months.

But in thinking of reinvention today, none of us are alone in that.

One of my clients was the founder of the #1 Chardonnay’s in the US which he sold for $140M, he used to have a $14M ski house. Paid off his investors, bought new land for new vineyards, lost his entire first stored vintage in a fire, his wife is divorcing him, and his winemaker—one of the best known in the business and who had been with him for decades—died last month at age 54. The message is that this is a man who did everything right Harvard MBA, etc.

So all of these things have made me seriously reevaluate, and I have a very vivid picture of where I want my life to be within another year. 

I recently made the acquaintance of a woman whose incredible story relates to recreating life.

Her name is Teri Love and she had a handsome 22-year old son whom she idolized. He loved Italy, loved speaking Italian and attended school there….a very vivacious young man. They lived in Malibu, and also has a ski house in Telluride [I believe].

After 30 years of marriage, Teri’s husband informed him her he didn’t want to be a husband or father any longer, and walked out after nearly 30 years of marriage. Shortly thereafter while reeling from that immense shock and life change, her son, Tyler, was riding his Italian scooter on Pacific Coast Highway along with his best friend. They were on their way to meet companions for dinner. A car suddenly made an illegal U-Turn across the very busy lanes. Tyler didn’t have time to stop….he and his friend were killed. This was  3-years ago.

Teri has eloquently expressed all that happened as a result, but she so strongly felt she must honor her son’s spirit and moved from Malibu to the Santa Ynez Valley and became a winery owner. [She is not a client]

I am blown away by how she recreated her life from this immense tragedy. She is an enormous light, and proceeds from the sale of her wines fund a foundation that honors, Tyler, by offering student study abroad [Italy] grants at his former HS for study. The student’s write an essay, from which she makes the decision. She is awarding the first scholarship June 2nd.

I wanted to share this because she is so amazing to have done all of this in response to the very worst thing that can happen to a mother. 

BTW, Teri is [I may have this wrong] I believe is 61, and she is a new grandmother.  She reminds me that in this month of May through July in 1429, 17-year old Joan of Arc saved fallen France during the 100-year old war when no one else could. She did it for her love of France, and Teri has been able to transcend the worse kind of grief also because of love. So I think….doing the things we love are perhaps the best way to transform a life.

Here are pictures of Tyler and Teri’s must see video for those who are interested: http://www.gioiawine.com/ 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A major Napa winery advertised for a 6-month temp position that paid $10K a month, including transportation, benefits, luxury housing, and a PDA, laptop, etc.

Today people have to really think about their top skills, and not just react, be very aware of what is going on, and determine where one’s top skills/interests intersect with market needs.

Fear and worry are very debilitating and blinding and ‘filling’ time is a waste of a life to me. I think in terms of value, and have my ‘test’. I know the one moment in time I’d choose to live with in eternity, and pretty much measure all decisions against that. Is what I am doing going to get me that quality of value.

 

By Suzanne de Cornelia on 05/14/2009 1:56 am
Patrice Baldwin

I’m in the middle of reinventing myself too. After 35 years of being a publisher, I hit the wall, didn’t even want to think of another book to do. At the same time I have to make money. So I returned to another little diversion I’d been into years ago… working on the internet, trying to accomplish something or help someone or myself. I haven’t the patience for spending time on Facebook, Myspace, Twitter or the rest. Wowowow is the only place I pause, read, enjoy and sometimes speak.

But I’ve found the way to help people who are hanging about wondering what to do, worrying about how to pay the rent or just wanting to help someone too. I actually like spending time on the internet, making websites, placing ads, answering email from three email accounts. When things are moving along, I really feel good when someone signs up and moves along with me. 

I attended a large conference this aftersoon here in Tucson. It was about all the advantages we have to grow new businesses and to find new opportunities that weren’t there a year ago. It’s about making money, and there was so much information, I came away with my eyeballs whirling around and the feeling of being overwhelmed. I think I’ll just stick to the sure things I have going now. I’m too old to compete like that. It makes me tired just thinking about it. But I’m not ready to quit either. Not when I can help other people make money as well as myself. 

This is odd. I’m turning into a left brain person when I’ve always been a right brain artist all my life. I just realized it. hmmmmmmmm.

By Patrice Baldwin on 05/14/2009 1:56 am
Chrome Toe
Way cool Patrice…
By Chrome Toe on 05/14/2009 10:14 am
Carole Del Monte
Where else can we find such relevance & wisdom?  We need to reinvent ourselves all through our lives (growing).  Retirement?  That’s the time to do the things we didn’t have time for when we were working.  Ms. Candice, I hope you will delight us in future projects that you enjoy, as well.  Liz, we are overjoyed with you on this new gig, where you get to share more with us than gossip.  Cynthia, you’re amazing, that goes without saying.  I love your son’s name, by the way.  Good luck to all of you.  We’ll hang in together.
By Carole Del Monte on 05/14/2009 6:56 am
Karen Waters
Interesting chat ladies…about two years ago as I approached 40, I was looking for exactly what you are discussing — work, but enjoyable, meaningful work. I had a job— by all accounts a good job — but I wanted more. I loved my chosen career (IT professional), but my needs had grown and changed as I got older. So, I setup a blog called "Finding Me" (http://findingme.typepad.com). I wasn’t sure where it was going to go and spent two years trying to figure out what people actually blog about and who would actually care! Recently, though, I took the approach that I’m just talking to my friends about stuff we would chat about over lunch. So, if I hear of something interesting that I think would be interesting to my friends, I write about it. It gives me the satisfaction of writing, which I love, and also satisfies my "techy" side. Do I earn money doing this - that’s a big fat NO! But, I’m earning money to support my family at my regular job and finding my personal satisfaction in my blog. The best of both worlds…for now!
By Karen Waters on 05/14/2009 7:01 am
joan larsen

Life itself is a constant reinvention … as all of us have found that we find surprises — some of which that are not pleasant at all (to put in mildly) around every corner.  We then have choices.  We can sit on our sofa, feel sorry for ourselves, do nothing.  OR - as some one of us do - we consider the twists and turns on the road of life as challenges.

No, if we have "body blows", of course we have to stop and re-group.  Tears must be cried out as "the stiff upper lip" comes to haunt us later.

But how do we begin?  For me in the last week - and through another WOWer actually, we have copyrighted a company name and have a SUPER idea that we have not seen "out there".  That is a start … and as we are creative, this is going to be fun to start from scratch, working together.  So - THANK YOU - WoW!.

But do you want to start over, or go off in a new direction?  I find that getting out your door, letting friends know what thingS you might be interested in persuing, and using the computer to find what doors you might put your foot into.  I know someone who began with Habitat with Humanity as a volunteer, and contacts made on site made this into a full-time job elsewhere.  An example — but the idea is opening up to as many people as you can in the fields you wish to explore. 

In mid-life, we often find we do go in other directions - and do it well.  I find that co-writing, ghostwriting was ONE of my cups of tea.  Yesterday one of my books I worked on came out and is on Amazon — just YESTERDAY!

KEEP YOUR BELIEF IN YOURSELF, YOU MIND BUSY, AND YOUR FEET OUT THERE WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE and each day becomes an adventure.  And - an adventure?  We don’t know where the road can lead, but our days are interesting, our minds partially off our problems, and how can that be anything but good!!!

 

 

By joan larsen on 05/14/2009 9:02 am
Magali Merrell

Dear Joan, after I read your comments and your thoughts I start feeling a glimmer of hope about my personal situation, I’m almost 48 years old, born in Peru (South America), married to a wonderful American guy and raising a teenager son, my career of choice was Secretary, I worked not only in my country but also in Venezuela in big corporations and also as a presidential secretary, I was always very proud of myself.

 

When my son born my old dream came back, I wanted to live in the USA, and be able to give him and myself all the opportunities and choices that we never had.   Through the company where I was working during that time, KRAFT GENERAL FOODS (Phillip Morris Corp.), I got the opportunity to visit the USA for the first time, that visit definitely change my life. In my country I always studied the English language, is a must have (part of the curricula in every school, college or university), I thought, that this knowledge will be enough for me to give me a good start, that was true at the beginning, I was able to work right away in different Supermarkets and then in a Department Store, but after sometime I decided to try something different and challenge myself, I was accepted to work in the American Cancer Society as an assistant in one of their offices, supporting a team in charge of different events.  I worked with them for only two months, the longest months of my entire life.  My tool of work for almost 20 yrs. was my language "Spanish" and as a complement the English language. For me, to live in a country that speaks a different language was a great challenge especially for somebody in her 40’s, and even after 8 years is a constant struggle, for my son that arrived to the USA when he was 10 years old, was a big change but now is a piece of cake, I studied and practice constantly, read books and watch the news every single day, I will never give up. But going back to those days, I can only say that I tried to do my best but my frustration got on the way, from being an expert in communication and a solution finder I turned into somebody experiencing complete fear each time that the phone start ringing or somebody was asking me to write a simple letter, my self-steam just went down the toilet. I didn’t want to give up, so I took some training and started working as a Customer Representative for a Furniture company, I always have excellent skills to work with people but for some reason the magic was not always there, most of the time our customers believed that we were responsible for every wrong thing that happen in their lives; anyway I worked there for almost 2 yrs. until we moved to another city, then I decided to stop working and spend more time with my teenage son, who in that moment was going through and identity crisis… does that sounds familiar?. Now he is 18 yrs. old, back to normal, ready to choose his future, and the inevitable question that I master to avoid again and again is hunting me wherever I go,  AND NOW WHAT???

 

I definitely want to work again doing something that I enjoy, that pays decent money and keeps my brain, my body and spirit alive, I consider this my second chance, I’m ready to start again but even when I have all the intentions I don’t know what to do, I feel like a baby learning her first steps.  I tried to get a job working from home using my computer, but the horror stories about scams are getting worst. For now I’m open to new ideas and suggestions that can help a decent 48 year lady to start a new professional life.

 

To Joan and all the other ladies, thank you very much, for your stories, opinions and for being so open about your projects and goals, for the ones that have not chosen a path jet, like me, don’t worry takes a lot of courage to open your heart and ask for help, you really inspired me, I hope one day I will make you proud. 

 By the way, sorry for the spelling and/or grammar mistakes.

 

By Magali Merrell on 06/14/2009 12:15 am
joan larsen

Magali …  I know from experience that we must never give up and it is never too late to make new beginnings.  I believe that you have made tremendous strides forward yourself, knowing that my downfall in your position is that I could never have done the reverse with Spanish as my second language.  First, let’s talk about your son as you want to get him off to a good start.  I always reminder the young adult that there is wide world out there with many roads to take in a long career.  But try to get that college degree now if possible as it is harder to do that later.  But never think the career he begins has to be what he may be stuck in forever.  As his world opens - and yours - there are chances to go in other directions later.  Those who are ambitious, can work later, go to night school and start fresh as you might want to do. 

I always suggest to him, to you, as a first thought, the broad health field.  My own son took two years more after college was long past, and landed a good job in a hospital that satisfies his abilities and his drive to help other people.  How do you find the particular job.  I suggested he bring home from the library the huge book on occupations that is heavy as anything.  In it is a description of every occupation there is and what it takes to get there — and in health, he then looked into the ones that sounded best and most interesting - asking first if education would result in good paying jobs.  It was a leap but he moved ahead — and at long last, he has found his niche in a hospital.  For you, nursing is two years more, and you can do well anywhere you go. 

But as I found out all about oceanography later in life, I wished someone had told me that a new world was there.  I would have gone in at any level in their offices, gaining knowledge until I knew what I really loved within that broad category and with their help, gotten further education needed to go to higher levels.  That is just an example.  You too should look at the occupation book thoroughly as we each have a niche or more, but few find it as they don’t know how to start.  This is a good way to say yes or no, make a short list of compelling jobs that stimulate the brain and not just bring money in.  But this book is the only one I know that let’s you know so you can make wide choices.  Customer service wears you down in time.  You want to go where you are appreciated.  If you have any questions, ask me again.  You are at an age when you will have more freedom to begin again and still have years to grow in the right niche.  Don’t procrastinate — go now, get the book, and begin the new journey.  Joan

By joan larsen on 06/14/2009 2:50 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe
I have a sightly different take on all this. Having had four different careers––and I count being a mother who stayed home when her children were young as one–––retirement for me is pure bliss. I do volunteer work at a historical society and plan to volunteer my services in schools to help early childhood classes in the future, but my days now are my own. As Suzanne put it, I am my own CEO. I relish my quiet times, my simple daily regimen which consists of a myriad number of activities that nourish and sustain me. I used to be so busy that I never noticed that there were spring flowers springing up around the front side of a house that I’d been in for three years. Now I not only see their first emergence, but I can watch them develop just as I, too, am developing into a person who finally has the time to do what she wants.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 05/14/2009 9:11 am
joan larsen

Hi Phyllis … your last sentence made me stop and really think.  . I mean way back.  Perhaps I am a driven woman as I see to it that I make time to do exactly what I want.. and it includes quiet if I feel I must re-group.  This post finds me far from home in Denver - a city and state I love - but I am covering an exhibition/convention as columnist, but only because I am almost addicted to meeting new people - mostly men if truth be told.  Perhaps someday, but now I don’t want to sit and smell the roses … or anything close to it.  Only when I am on the go, having many major irons on the fire, do I feel so charged up that I could light up the sky.  I want to feel more than content I guess with life and with living … perhaps it is the feeling that we don’t know what tomorrow will bring, we may only live once  - all of that — and to miss the mountains, the ice, the new people (like Phyllis), and testing my abilities, challenging my intellect, must be what I still am all about.  I have a spouse that does the same — but heads in different directions.  We come back full of talk, recharged, laughing like fools over "the little things" .  .  . and - only speaking for myself - it keeps me young. 

But as far as I am concerned, each of us is such an individual — and what certainly works for one does not seem right for another.  And — as you can see — I too - even on the road in a hotel - am a writing addict.  I think my mind works double time!!!!

By joan larsen on 05/14/2009 10:13 pm
phyllis Doyle Pepe
Joan––to use the old cliche, I feel your energy. Right now at this time in my life my energy is more inner driven, and yes, certainly always challenging my intellect––I am a perpetual student––always learning which is very exciting to me. For you being on the go is important because it charges you up. I’ve had a lifetime of being charged up. Yesterday spent a whole day with many new people which I enjoyed thoroughly. That will last me for weeks. Like you and Paul, Joe and I get together at four with our gin and tonic and discuss, connect, laugh, etc. We have our routines, we love our simple life. It’s not that I’m saying I’ve had my day in the sun, it’s more like I’ve found my place in the sun.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 05/14/2009 11:26 pm
joan larsen

Boy, Phyllis, do I love those last sentences of yours — as always in your writings, you seem to hit the nail on the head every time - prose or poetry — and somehow, I wish sometimes, Paul and I could join you and Joe for that late afternoon times where we can sip cocktails, let it all hang out and just "talk"  — it would be "lover-ly" as they say. 

"My place in the sun" - that phrase seems to hang in my head today — and yes, that is so meaningful to me - and I can’t seem to be satsified with less … but I am still at the place that I want that place to still be like my present-day sunshine and not live on my past accomplishments.   In other words, I am NOT done … and can’t believe actually that I still have no element of "retired" or anything close in my vocabulary.  And more than that, that age seems to have no place in being listened to, respected.  More.  Amazing.  A couple of years ago, Parade mag had a cover article on a few women older than 60 who have held their own well and had the "attitude" of ignoring "age" as a limitation.  I was one of 5 I think.  And that challenge - that proving that "age" is a number seems to push me to the limits.  And I think people like to run into a charged-up woman.  My thoughts DO run on and on.  Sorry.

By joan larsen on 05/15/2009 2:21 pm
Suzanne Frazier

Everyone morning I wake up and say "I’m still here" with delight.  I’ve had to reinvent myself.  I had a heart attack at age 60.  I had to change my life to accommodate my reduced energy and side affects from the medications. I even had to sell my house and move.  I was living in the mountains of Colorado at 8200 feet and my body was not re-adjusting to the altitude after living at that altitude for 14 years.  Now I’m living in Denver at 5200 feet and it has made all the difference.  I have more energy and a new take on our precious time on earth.

But then I reinvented myself many times during my life at age 25, 35, 40 and 47.  I think ‘reinvention’ is a valid, necessary process to gracefully move through life and keep growing intellectually, spiritually and socially. 

By Suzanne Frazier on 05/14/2009 9:29 am
Kathy Douglass

These next six weeks are among the most exciting and eventful of my life.  I am 50.  I spent years being an unhappy wife of a small town funeral director.  I made some changes. 

Tomorrow I go to Rwanda as part of a humanitarian trip sponsored by Women For Women International.  We will visit genocide memorials, hear stories of survivors, spend two days at the school attending classes with the women we sponsor, visit an orphanage (this will be hard) and spend two days on the mountain with the gorillas. 

Then - when I come back, I spend time in New York where a play I wrote about being a small town funeral director’s wife is having it’s premiere at The Richmond Shepard Theater.  

Then - I fly to LA where someone is interested in a screenplay I wrote on the same experience.

Man, life just gets better and better the older we get, ladies! 

 

 

 

 

 

By Kathy Douglass on 05/14/2009 10:03 am