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Candice Bergen | 10/09/2009 12:00 am

Candice Bergen: Where Have All the Linguistics Gone?

Candice Bergen

Language? Back in the day it was SI Hayakawa. Then Safire. Ken Tynan as well. And John Simon could be withering about misplaced punctuation and ungainly adverbs. But now? Not a clue.

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Elynne Chaplik-Aleskow

Have some empathy for all the college/university speech professors who are challenging the destruction of verbal language with the curse of "like" used as every other word by students and the public at-large.

Elynne Chaplik-Aleskow    http://LookAroundMe.blogspot.com

Distinguished Professor Emeritus

Wright College

By Elynne Chaplik-Aleskow on 10/09/2009 9:39 am
Lila Kuh
Yeah, like totally, dude.  You rock.
By Lila Kuh on 10/09/2009 12:59 pm
Carol Harrison
Or…the curse of ‘guy’ to refer to adult women!  "Guy" could be replaced with, when talking to Jane and John, hi you two, or hi Jane and John.  Instead of saying, "Hi ‘guys’ to a group of people sitting around a table, why not simply say, "hi everyone!"  Why…..does the generic ‘guy’ have to refer to women despite it being considered daily language, never mind the sexist component of calling girls/women….’guy’s.  I told one young man, I’ve been called ‘guy’ so often, I’m beginning to think I am one!  I dislike "like" as much as I dislike "guy"/’guy’.
By Carol Harrison on 10/09/2009 9:13 pm
Susan Crawford
I couldn’t agree more, Elynne. As a teacher of public speaking, “like” is the bane of my existence. And where was the phrase “bored OF” born, I wonder? I hear that everywhere these days! As far as finding new linguists and word-lovers to fill Mr. Safire’s shoes, how about Dick Cavett, who uses language gracefully, easily and with confidence? How about Christopher Buckley, whose writing is always perfection: funny, sharp and beautifully phrased? And yes - wOw’s own Judith Martin is a wonderful choice.
By Susan Crawford on 10/10/2009 9:29 am
Linda Myers
Possibly with today being a search/find/convert/translate world, study has fallen to the wayside.
By Linda Myers on 10/09/2009 10:06 am
Lila Kuh

AB-SO-LUTLEY!!  I was only recently lamenting the pitfalls of spell check, and even worse, grammar check.  Spell check will not catch correctly spelled words being used in the wrong context; and grammar check can’t handle complex sentences so if a writer accepts Microsoft’s changes, he ends up with mush… or a fourth-grade reading level. 

Conversely, these tools also stifle any linguistic creativity; can you imagine e.e. cummings composing poetry in Word?

By Lila Kuh on 10/09/2009 12:57 pm
Lila Kuh
I note that I have a good honest typo in the above.
By Lila Kuh on 10/09/2009 1:00 pm
Carol Harrison
"the curse of like"….how about the curse of ‘he’ to mean anyone who’s gender isn’t known!!  Like is more of a "Valley Girl" vernacular or "you know".  My spouse’s BIL, uses the word, there even when it doesn’t belong and that’s from a man who claims to be self-taught.  Well, doesn’t sound like he taught himself to be articulate.
By Carol Harrison on 10/09/2009 9:17 pm
Lila Kuh

On the curse of "he" for indeterminate gender - it’s a longstanding rule of speech in many languages, including English, to use the masculine by default to refer to a person of unknown gender. 

More recently in English "they" is becoming more commonly used as a singular for this purpose.  I don’t really like using "they" this way, but it’s more economical of breath and ink than "he or she" every single time just to make sure everyone knows you’re being inclusive.

But, for example, concerning an anonymous driver on the road, it just seems more natural for me to think, "That guy in front of me… he’s turning…" even though it’s just as likely it’s a woman.

By Lila Kuh on 10/09/2009 10:16 pm
Livia Jones
Someone good at this should jump into this obvious cultural gap. 
By Livia Jones on 10/09/2009 12:28 pm
Effie Velardo
Would the present generation even care? They make fun of us when we try to correct their grammer, spelling or anything else.
By Effie Velardo on 10/10/2009 6:59 am
Ilse Daniel

Here are some of mine, Candice: a troop is a collection of troopers! Put ‘I’ at the end of a list only if it is in the nominative case, (Candice and I met the other day) otherwise the accusative/dative case (Candice met Liz and ME) is correct. The apricots were ripe and RIFE for picking! 

By Ilse Daniel on 10/09/2009 12:28 pm
Apres Ski

Dyslexia has been ignored for years and now we see its fruition. It’s how we got to all that "short attention span theatre crap".

And as for "where are all the linguists", they’re in continuing education classes learning how to Tweet … or waiting for their grandchildren to come home from school to show them how!

ROTFLOL!!

By Apres Ski on 10/09/2009 1:26 pm
Linda Myers
I LOVE THAT!
By Linda Myers on 10/09/2009 1:53 pm
Obediah Fults

I mourn the passing of the Harvard comma (or, "serial comma"). If ketchup and mustard makes a yucky brown mess, then "relish, mustard and ketchup" says, "relish … and a yucky brown mess".  (Period after quotation.)  "Relish, mustard, and ketchup" tells me that we’re talking about three separate condiments.

Then, there’s the ellipsis!  I over-use it, but I use it correctly.  A friend parks her finger on the period key until a string of dots fill as long a space as her mood dictates.  Three dots … count them … three.

Oh — a couple or a team is a singular unit!  It does; it does not do.  ("A couple takes a vacation", not "A couple take a vacation.")

This morning I read a posting on wowOwow from someone who typed "u" every time she meant "you".  I’m still cringing, hours later!  Someone should explain to her the difference between typing and texting.

I’m stepping down from my soap box now.  Thank you for the use of the hall.

By Obediah Fults on 10/09/2009 7:47 pm