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Question of the Day | 06/01/2009 11:00 pm

Conan O'Brien hosted his first 'Tonight Show' last night. Why do we embrace great televison comics so intimately?

All the great television comics, for example Jack Paar and Johnny Carson, have come and gone. Now Jay Leno, Conan O’Brien and David Letterman are filling those shoes — and some in prime time. Why do we embrace these entertainers so intimately? Is it just because we invite them into our bedrooms nightly? Or is it more than that? Join the conversation with Candice Bergen, Julia Reed, Cynthia McFadden, Liz Smith and Joan Ganz Cooney …

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Joan Ganz Cooney

Joan Ganz Cooney | 06/01/2009 11:00 pm

Why Joan Ganz Cooney Falls Asleep With Jon Stewart

For one thing, they make us laugh at the end of the day when all of our immediate obligations have been taken care of. They demand nothing of us except a smile or a chuckle. I go to bed four nights a week, happy and laughing with Jon Stewart. I don’t stay up late enough very often for the late-night comics, but I try to sneak in a few minutes of Colbert.
Liz Smith

Liz Smith | 06/01/2009 11:00 pm

Liz Smith Reflects on the Late Night Talk Shows of Today and Yesteryear

The talk-show host may be the most ubiquitous and intimate member of our long television history.

And they offer us the rare chance to see stars and idols and legends in what look to be "real" and "informal" circumstances. These are generally promotional but still rewarding.

After days of reading about Mel Gibson’s transgressions and impending divorce, it is interesting to finally see him, in the flesh, acting like a normal person, answering Jay Leno, when asked if his coming child was a boy or girl, that it would be "a human being." We think then we are seeing the REAL Mel, not the tabloid Mel.

So talk shows have their values, including Jack Paar’s unique sensitivity, Dick Cavett’s in-depth showing off, Johnny Carson’s humorous mischief, Jay Leno’s sheer likeability and nice guyness. This is the country’s informal celebrity forum going on nightly.

I look to see who’s on Leno and Letterman these days, but I can’t stand to watch it all. And I can take or leave all the younger, newer ones, with the exception of my pet, Craig Ferguson, late, late at night on CBS. He is sardonic and off the wall, but not a sadist like Letterman.
Candice Bergen

Candice Bergen | 06/02/2009 12:00 am

Candice Bergen on the Depth of Late-Night Bonds

Why DO we embrace them so highly? I think primarily it is the depth of the bond. Late-night. In bed. Decompressing from the day. And it is basically a talking head and that head is talking to YOU and that head is, always, to varying degrees very funny and insightful and very smart. And when you think of the capacity for stupidity that Americans seem to indulge, it is surprising that they embrace and don’t reject someone who is that smart.

I suppose Leno is the most blue collar of any of them, so he crosses many class lines, but my God, Conan and Letterman are SO goddamned fast and smart and edgy and wonderfully weird. And talented! Conan can write, play guitar, sing like a bird, do stand-up … and Letterman has such a quirky dry wit. I never used to watch much but my husband watches every night (he’s a Leno guy) and so I am a captive audience. It’s intriguing, the bond we have with them. Of course, we watched Conan’s first night last night.

Cynthia McFadden

Cynthia McFadden | 06/02/2009 1:10 pm

Cynthia McFadden Wants You to Watch 'Nightline'

I hope you’ll all take this occasion to become "Nightline" viewers. We started out three years ago as a distant third – we are now beating Letterman. We’re not too funny but we can verge on important.
Julia Reed

Julia Reed | 06/02/2009 1:00 pm

Julia Reed Remembers the Love of Her Life

I haven’t embraced anyone intimately since the love of my life, Johnny Carson, left the "Tonight Show." I agree with Liz that Jay seems like a really nice fellow (though I can’t imagine watching him in prime time), and I think Craig Ferguson’s monologue is almost always funny and spot-on (though since he has gotten married, he has a few too many gooey moments). She is also right that Letterman is a sadist (and worse, just not all that funny anymore – he’s never been better than when he started out with his daytime show 20-something years ago) and I have never, ever understood the so-called allure of Conan. So that leaves me with occasional forays onto Craig’s show and my prized collection of Johnny Carson "Best of" DVDs.

Carson was just absolutely brilliant – dry and so funny and knowing and the master of the sideways look. And humble – just think of all those animals of Joan  Embery’s he let crawl around in his hair and how deftly he treated his guests. I loved his banter with Doc and Tommy and Ed, his Carnac act, his jokes about his expensive divorces (which were never actually all that personal or revealing, which is as it should be). I first saw Robert Klein and Steve Martin (with his banjo and bunny ears) on his show; I can still remember whole chunks of his conversations with Don Rickles and Dyan Cannon and a totally hilarious impromptu love duet he sang with Steve Lawrence. Now that he’s gone I don’t want anyone but my husband or my dog (and, occasionally, Craig) in my late-night bed.

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C jay
Who, pray tell, is "we?" I certainly don’t. Please select more respectable topics for our discussion. TV and movie promoting falls off of most of us like water off a duck’s back.
By C jay on 06/02/2009 12:55 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe
The "We" is lots and lots of viewers on this site , therefore a perfectly relevant topic that totes a respectable umbrella to keep off all that water like a duck’s back. We had a thread where many of us waxed reverently and gushingly about Cavett, Carson,Paar— ––all the old golden oldies; it was such fun to reminisce. I, myself, don’t watch Letterman, Leno, Conan, but do catch Stewart and Colbert– the latter so clever, and hilarious. My late night, however, is taken with Charlie Rose, and after that I’m ready to hit the sack. I was surprised that Liz Smith referred to Letterman as a "sadist" Does she know something WE don’t? 
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 06/02/2009 9:25 am
EKA -

OH, a bit elitist aren’t we ?

I’ll go one on one with you with books and culture….. but those night owls among us appreciate the intelligence that a good comedian must have. TV and movies are only a vast wasteland to those who do not rise above the lowest common denominator and search out the wit and intelligence that is displayed by people as varied and different as Jon Stewart, Charlie Rose and Bill Maher  … going back to Steve Allen, Jack Paar and Dick Cavitt.

By EKA - on 06/02/2009 12:27 pm
Annette W
Who, pray tell, is "most of us"? And what does a duck have to do with anything?  Please write more interesting sentences, that don’t rely/ fallback on, cliches.
By Annette W on 08/10/2009 9:26 pm
Judy K.
"We" haven’t seen the show  as it isn’t tomorrow yet where I’m at.  Hope he got lots of yucks and good guests.  That and lots of animal visits just might be the ticket.
By Judy K. on 06/02/2009 1:21 am
Lizzie R.
Late night TV is a respite at the end of the day from all of the cable news shows I have been watching. I  like them all as they all have a difference, but don’t watch them regularly. Conan’s show tonight was very good, and hope he keep this up. Of course, it was his first show, so had to be special, but I wish him success.
By Lizzie R. on 06/02/2009 1:44 am
Lizzie R.
I must qualify this, as, at my age, Conan is not my cuppa, but to the demographic  he appeals to he was good. Sometimes these late night guys come over as childish in their humor, but I do occasionally enjoy them - channel surfing to catch one or the other if I am in a mood for lightness. I also enjoy Nightline too, as it has interesting subject matter
By Lizzie R. on 06/02/2009 2:05 pm
Ruth  Jernick
Call me misanthropic, but I thought Conan’s first show was terrible. If I were in charge of scheduling at NBC, I would already be planning to cancel the show. He’s very talented, but his talents are not a good fit for this format. Conan is not a great interviewer, and his humor last night ran to a lot of screaming and pre-taped, absurd, out-of-studio nonsense. Not funny, entertaining or smart enough. I don’t plan to tune in again. I can’t watch Letterman because I don’t think he’s a nice person. (The same goes for Jon Stewart.) I’m surprised no one mentioned Jimmy Kimmel. There are lots of things not to like about his show, but he IS smart and that counts for a lot. 
By Ruth Jernick on 06/02/2009 6:29 am
EKA -

Agree, but I think we are seeing a generational change going on here. My sons - 28 to 34 think Conan is the best … I think he is juvenile and don’t get his humor. They also think Andy Richter ( Conan’s sidekick) is hysterical and I think he is stupid. 

By EKA - on 06/02/2009 12:37 pm
Lin Cercone
Whats with the Letterman bashing?  Sadist?  I don’t get it, he seems like a smart, nice guy to me.  I think years ago (many) he could be colder, but too many years ago to count.  To each his own, but he is the one I don’t miss.  I find Leno overbearing, he tries too hard.  It seems for him its not enough to tell the joke, then he has to sell it, explain it etc.  Conan doesn’t do it for me either.  Give me Dave and Kimmel!
By Lin Cercone on 06/02/2009 6:59 am
Maizie James

Lin,

Letterman hardly comes off as a sadist … in my opinion.  I think he’s brillant.  Although, I confess that I more often switch to CHARLIE ROSE most evenings, unless there is a guest on Letterman whose full interview I want to see in its entirety.

By Maizie James on 06/02/2009 7:00 pm
Maizie James

Lin,

Opps!  I left out my first sentence.  My apology! 

I meant to preface my first post [statement] by saying, "I agree with you."

By Maizie James on 06/02/2009 7:03 pm
Deena B.
Lin, I rarely watch late night TV but I rather like David Letterman.  Don’t find him sadistic in the slightest.  His sense of humor is a bit…dry, maybe?  But I like that.  I never cared a lot for Johnny Carson but some revere him.  As you say, to each his own. 
By Deena B. on 06/02/2009 7:48 pm
Lin Cercone
Hey Deena B:  I think you’re confusing me with someone else.  I said Letterman was NOT sadistic.  I think I said he was sardonic.  I’m with you - I like Letterman a lot, watch him every night and tape Nightlline and Kimmel.  Don’t enjoy Leno he tries too hard although I agree with someone else who wrote, he used to be better.
By Lin Cercone on 06/02/2009 9:22 pm
Deena B.
Lin, I’m sorry I probably didn’t express myself clearly.  I knew that you like Letterman.  I was agreeing with you and, like you, disagreeing with those who said he is sadistic. 
By Deena B. on 06/03/2009 7:12 am