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Question of the Day | 11/02/2009 1:00 am

Music was the great divide between ourselves and our parents. Will technology be the dividing factor with the new generation?

And if not music, then what? Join Joan Ganz Cooney, Candice Bergen and Liz Smith in the conversation …
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Liz Smith

Liz Smith | 11/02/2009 12:00 am

Liz Smith: 'My Gang of People Will Accelerate Into More Exasperation'

Generation divide! Whoever said the divide between those of us still living and our parents was music is very clever and smart. I remember riding in a car with my father and he was absolutely incensed that I wanted to listen to Frank Sinatra on the radio. "You call THAT, music?" He was an Opera aficionado.

So, I do think we will pass into oblivion one of these days, still complaining that we have to ask our grandchildren or our grown kids how to work the TV, the iPhone, the BlackBerry, the Wii and all the rest of it. And, as it gets more complicated, which it appears it will, then my gang of people will accelerate into more exasperation, confusion and ignorance.

Joan Ganz Cooney

Joan Ganz Cooney | 11/02/2009 12:00 am

Joan Ganz Cooney on Dressing and the Generational Divide

I don’t think there is such a big divide anymore. The 40-somethings are as devoted to technology as their children are. They play games, use computers for work and fun, have iPods and iPhones and buy all the new stuff as it comes out. Also this generation of parents keeps up with pop culture almost as much as  their children do. Add that teenagers and their parents all seem to dress alike. In my generation, kids wanted to dress like their parents (the last generation to aspire to such); now the parents tend to dress more like the kids. 
Candice Bergen

Candice Bergen | 11/02/2009 4:35 pm

Candice Bergen and Her Daugher Debate the Generation Divide

When my daughter, who is 24, and I talked about the biggest changes in our lives since birth, she said the difference is in travel — the travel experience since 9/11, which has been completely transformed. But I said technology. Specifically, communications. Revolutionized. Utterly.

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Baby  Snooks
I think most of us over 50 become exhausted just trying to keep up with the new technology let alone actually use it or understand it.  I love the "instant access" life we all now enjoy with the internet but I don’t enjoy it at 100 mph in four or five different directions at once. 
By Baby Snooks on 11/02/2009 4:24 am
Lila Kuh

Hubby and I can well recall life before microwave ovens or VCRs, much less computers, cell phones, wi-fi, etc.  But I think the very fact that we have been exposed to so much technological change will stand us in good stead as more changes come along in the future.  Our first reaction to new technology - especially in communications or computing - is usually, "Cool!" rather than, "Oh, no!"

The USE of the technology is another matter.  We have no inclination to join Twitter or Facebook and provide all of our friends with a minute-by-minute update of all of our most mundane activities; we do not text or chatter constantly on the cell phone.  Quality, not quantity.  And the regular oven still makes a far superior pizza, or baked potato, than the microwave does.  Priorities…

By Lila Kuh on 11/02/2009 6:31 am
Andy C
It already is the dividing factor.  Just when I think I’ve got it — it changes!  I’m happy to be able to converse with you all on my computer and that so far I don’t have to do much more than turn it on to do so.
By Andy C on 11/02/2009 7:19 am
Belinda Joy
Oh it most definitely will be.  Technology has changed so much in just the last 5 years beyond what most of us are used to; I can only imagine where it will be 10, 15 even 20 years from now. Some of it I love and have hitched onto, but some of it I don’t like and will refrain from using. Like I-phones, I just don’t get it. Too much going on there….I find it overwhelming.
By Belinda Joy on 11/02/2009 8:31 am
Linda Myers

I think more so than just technology is the pace of learning of the children now. Kindergarten is now all day, in addition to their regular class they have music, art, computer, Spanish and gym. My mother’s high school education is now the equivalent to a 6th grade education. My grandson will have two years of college credits before he graduates high school through being in the AVID program. The capacity to learn has either increased or the stimulus has increased. Technology is part of the curve, but education in standards and what is available at a younger age creates the difference.

By Linda Myers on 11/02/2009 8:39 am
Chris Glass`
The last company that I worked for taught computer classes for anyone interested in expanding their knowledge. I signed up for every one of them from basic word programs to troubleshooting and repair. Computers and technology are here to stay and will become a greater part of our life in the future. I don’t see this as a generation divide just more of a transition from one media to another. If you learn to deal with the technology as it comes along you will function better in the future.
By Chris Glass` on 11/02/2009 8:42 am
SURA B

Sorry to disappoint,  pop culture, on the whole does not interest me, but often it resonates with history, for I grew up in the Depression, and I see many cycles and repetitions in events, styles, issues, and cultural developments.

As for that generation gap, my son, who is a trained classical pianist, made his profession composing and performing in pop music, such as Rock and Roll. He composed, played and recorded with many prominent musicians, and of course, his strength was literacy in music, because many pop stars cannot write or arrange music. Though I encouraged him and had no qualms about having a long haired rock star in the family, and was very proud of him, I had no interest in his music and still don’t. I stick to listening to Mahler. It was not contentious in our home, because it was taken for granted that all 4 of us had our own interests: father,mathematics; daughter writing & drawing; son,music & anything mechanical and electronic, and mother, literature & art. 

Somehow, differences in interests, attitudes, behavior, even in choice of food, location (suburbs for my children & metropolis for me) pose no problems. 

The word "divide" suggests painful or awkward differences; I don’t think so. Consensus, for me, is the danger. Our children do not have to share what we like and admire, because they live in a different world, as we did with our parents.  

Of course, I use a computer, and I was 14 when my parents finally acceded to my wanting a telephone in our home, so I’ve spanned an amazing  time, as my parents had.  I anticipate my children and now their children are more at ease with newer developments in technology than I am, but I never say no to anything new. I am selective.

 As for Facebook, I’m on it because a former student now living in Afghanistan contacted me. And  because my last name is unusual,  I receive greetings from those who used to address me formally when I was their teacher. Now they are old enough to call me by my first name. But, I differ in how I use Facebook; it does not represent a gathering of friends, it is a brief contact. And, so it goes, as the world moves on.

I take for granted that we are different  like flowers in a bouquet.  Personal choice, for me, is more significant than conformity.And, who says our children are our clones?

By SURA B on 11/02/2009 8:55 am
Maggie W

I recently had lunch with a friend who works in the energy sector.  Ten-fifteen years ago, she and her co workers often met to discuss projects, make evaluations and projections, etc.  She often flew to company sites and offshore to talk to workers there.

Now she works through her computer and in a small office.  No more meetings.  No more flights to location.  That is monitored through technology.

While technology marches on, many jobs no longer exist .  Why hire ten workers when one can suffice.  We even see this in grocery stores where there are now self check out lanes.  To balance out, there is China, building a huge wind farm in Texas that will require several thousand workers. New jobs; new technology to drive it.  As long as anyone remains in the work force, it would be wise to learn as many new green programs as possible.

 

By Maggie W on 11/02/2009 9:07 am
Jeannot Kensinger

Who knows how far we will go with this technology? I never thought I would buy a computer let alone sit almost on top of it for hours every day.

Right now it brings me closer to my family, what they don’t email I find in Facebook.

12 years ago I started with a Web TV never believing that this would bring me more knowledge, more friends, more  recipes for life and cooking. What will be for me in the next 12 years-if I live that long- is something I look forward to.

By Jeannot Kensinger on 11/02/2009 9:11 am
Chris Glass`
Jeannot it is wonderful to see you posting again.
By Chris Glass` on 11/02/2009 5:09 pm
Jeannot Kensinger
Thank you Chris
By Jeannot Kensinger on 11/02/2009 5:40 pm
joan larsen

I am honest.  I find phrases such as "the great divide" between generations so negative.  . and defeating.  The world turns.  It has always turned.  Can we keep up with it all?  Probably not.  But let’s openly acknowledge that change happens — and frankly, with all the complaints, there is a lot of change that is helpful to us and for the good. 

A favorite book is Spenser Johnson’s Who Moved My Cheese.  . and over the years it has become a gift to many.  The concept is so simple, so easy: Don’t be the one that sits around expecting things to never change and then refuse to adapt to the change when it happens. Go out, look for, and get a hold of your cheese again.

To relate this to generations, to families, I would say that we should always respect the differences between our children and ourselves.  They are not us.  They are leading their own lives in a much more complicated world.  Yes, one hand and one ear seems to be holding the newest and latest plastic gadget . . but this is change.  They are keeping up with the times.

So we as "the generation before" can bridge that chasm, bridge that gap by not necessarily learning every new thing (I think we would be out of our heads if we tried frankly).  But if we — the parents, the grandparents can be open and interested in the changes taking place, we may find that our children will not sense that the chasm is not too wide, too deep to jump.  Their enthusiasm for life, for the new, I find can be contagious.  We find if we listen, they will come.  And - and this is the most important part - when they come, our generation can despense the love and caring that is needed by each of us so badly these days.  And have it reciprocated. 

Bridge the chasm, be interested and you will be interesting.  But - and I think I am right — what we do see lacking more and more is that LOVE, that CARING that comes with leading such separate lives.  We know that as a fact.  I know in my heart that we can elicit our own "changes" by radiating a warmth, a love, a pride of their individuality - that sometimes missing element that will hopefully bring the so-called chasm down to a small puddle.  Then - instead of the dreadful word "division" - we have replaced it with respect and with love.

It’s worth a try!

 

By joan larsen on 11/02/2009 9:38 am
Linda Myers
Great post Joan, and so true!
By Linda Myers on 11/02/2009 10:28 am
SURA B

Indeed, Joan, I agree.

As I’ve mentioned before on this website, my children gave me an 80th birthday party this year, and I selected friends as guests, who were my children’s ages, as well as former students in their 20s & 40s. The reason is that we keep in touch , often visit each other, and send emails because we have much to share. And, it has always been this way, for I welcome change, new ideas, new experiences, new subjects, and never long for the past, which was not glorious and wonderful. 

Age segregated communities and activities often appall me though I realize that we all need time away from those who march to a different tune or step, but I do not care to  spend my life sharing  reminiscences among my contemporaries on  "the good old days," and criticizing younger people for involving themselves in newer choices.

 And, of course our children are not us; those who coerce by offering money and intrude upon their children’s lives are engaging in subterfuge—change only comes when there are differences. Otherwise, the status quo prevails. 

 

 

 

By SURA B on 11/02/2009 11:51 am
joan larsen

We do think alike, Sura.  If I get to an age where I sit(in the first place) and reminisce - rather than looking forward to the life that lies ahead, well - you can shoot me right then.  As for the young (though I think of myself as young), I love their company, especially one-on-one when we can talk at length.  I am wide open to confidences for that is how I learn myself, and I would never betray the teller.  Throughout life we must not stop, "retire", but instead continue throughout our lifetimes to learn and to grow.  Meeting new people — and I do love lively older people that don’t mince any words ("lively" is the key word there) — is my dearest pleasure.  If you have been on for a while, you must know that I have many more men friends than women.  . and this has gone on for too many years to mention.  I find my men choices not only fun but extremely stimulating - and the learning factor goes both ways.  They light up my life.  As you say, the connection with all ages is delightful.  . lovely.

For me, the sun shines every day… and my mind goes a mile a minute … and when I travel, the whole world is my oyster - and how I love that!!!  That, perhaps, more than anything.  Never never let our minds dry up - and asking questions, getting involved with others in things that fascinate us — really makes a life extra special.  Mine is — and I think yours is also. 

And isn’t that wonderful!!!

By joan larsen on 11/02/2009 12:09 pm