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FLASH! From Liz Smith | 10/30/2009 3:40 pm

LIZ SMITH FLASH! A Question From National Review

Liz Smith
Here we present a  religious question from the opinion and editorial pages of the National Review magazine. And it’s a very good one, I think.

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November issue of National Review: "We all know that Jihadists believe that pious Muslim males will be rewarded with 72 virgins in paradise. What will those virgins actually be like, though? Saudi cleric Sheikh Muhammad al-Munajid has been telling us on Saudi Arabia’s Al-Majd TV.  Main point: They will be white. Very white. ‘Allah said that the black-eyed virgins are beautiful white young women … whose skin is so delicate and bright that it causes confusion. They are like precious gems and pearls in their splendor, their clarity, their purity and their whiteness.’

"We (at the National Review) confess to some slight confusion ourselves. Is there a separate afterlife for pious but unwhite Muslim females? If not, where do their souls go? If so, what’s their reward? Perhaps we all get new bodies in paradise, with the gals guaranteed to get white ones. Another possibility is that Sheikh Muhammad al-Munajid is a gibbering lunatic.

"This is, after all, the man who last year issued a fatwa against Mickey Mouse, whom he described as "one of Satan’s soldiers.’" 

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I just love  fanatical religions, don’t you? They make so much sense. 

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Susan B.

I share the following excerpt of nineteenth poetry by Lydia Howard Huntley Sigourney it is so appropriate for Thanksgiving:

The Indian’s Welcome to the Pilgrim Fathers

" …when sudden from a forest wide, a red brow’d chieftan came

with towering form and haughty stride, and eye like kindling flame:

No wrath he breath’d, no conflict sought, to no dark ambush grew,

But simply to the Old World brought the welcome of the New.

That welcome was a blast and ban upon thy race unborn

Was there no seer, thou fated Man! Thy lavish zeal to warn?

Thou in thy fearless faith didsst hail A weak invading band,

but who shall heed thy children’s wail Swept from their native land?…"

We really need to think of what sort of beliefs coupled with actions our country was founded on.  I think this part of our past lets us know where a lot of the bad "karma" originates. But it is just as much of our history as the documents we cherish and we need to deal with the fact that we made some horrendous mistakes along the way.

By Susan B. on 11/03/2009 12:38 pm
Helen Moran

Amen Susan, amen. poem says it all Thank you

By Helen Moran on 11/03/2009 2:38 pm
Laura Ward

Thanks for your gentle admonishment. You are correct. Others do still need and want it. When posting, one must always remember there are many sides. Therefore, I shouldn’t have said there’s no reason to have religion.

What I should have said is that people should not use religion to abuse, and one example is what was done in my family. I come from a family that tried to beat religion into their children. And it doesn’t work. I never believed and the sister who fervently believed in childhood got involved in cults in adulthood, developed a memory loss problem at 47, became childlike and died at 52. Three others believe various degrees of religiousness and one is as agnostic as I am. At our sister’s funeral, we all agreed on one thing, our parents spent too much time beating religion into us instead of looking at themselves or nurturing us. We also realized that even in our 50s, we still haven’t overcome our horrible childhood.

By Laura Ward on 11/02/2009 7:08 pm
Isabelle Fallon
Exactly. I was raised Catholic and would still consider myself religious in the spiritual sense, but I have moved away from formal worship. Even as a small child I never understood how the same loving God who said "Love thy neighbour as thyself" could be the source of the bigotry that can exist in religion and at that time was openly preached on Sundays. I asked my Mum some very complicated questions for a 6 year old! Like "Why are we so pleased that Mrs. Jones had her baby but nobody’s pleased about my friend Laura’s (unmarried) sister’s baby? You said all babies are gifts from God!" Early on, I made a simple choice - I would treat people politely, as equals and would leave judgement to God. And I would keep my relationship with God between Him, myself and my conscience. Working well so far!
By Isabelle Fallon on 11/02/2009 2:27 pm
Baby  Snooks

All religion is fanatical when you really get right down to it - I began wondering early on why the followers of the god of Abraham hated each other. Jews, Christians, and Muslims. They worship the same god. I wonder if any of them realize that.  Few people know the story of the Black Rock which Abraham built a temple around in what is now Mecca. It fell from the sky.  Personally I think god threw it at Abraham. He didn’t get the message. Neither has anyone else. Next time god may not miss. 

 

By Baby Snooks on 10/30/2009 5:20 pm
Linda Myers
that is funny!
By Linda Myers on 10/30/2009 5:26 pm
Laurel Sayler
Baby Snooks- Most Muslims and Jews know that the God is the same. Christians have a hard time believing that Muslims believe in the same God. Fundamentalists in all three religions tend to believe that "their" God is the only right God. We all need to accept the fact that Christians, Jews, and Muslims believe in the same God, but we all believe in Him a little bit differently.
By Laurel Sayler on 10/30/2009 6:00 pm
Helen Moran
Sadly, Laurel, if all believers of every faith truly believed in God, this would be a different world. These people say they believe, but most do the opposite of what they preach. Fom day one, every religion proclaims themselves the only true believers of the only true God. What rubbish.
By Helen Moran on 11/02/2009 12:43 am
Laurel Sayler
Liz I think the Whiteness of the virgins has nothing really to do with skin tone. The virgins are so pure that when they die and go to heaven their purity shines so bright that they are white with light. A black muslim female virgin would literally shine so bright with her purity that she would appear white, not as you write lose every drop of melanin from her skin and become a "white" girl.
By Laurel Sayler on 10/30/2009 5:55 pm
phyllis Doyle Pepe
Since God is the concept of man whose to say that the god of the Muslim is the same god as the Christian or any other sect? And since the old testament god presented as a many-faceted character whose precarious dealings confused even him, the new testament had to be tweaked. As far as myths, give me the Greeks any day––their panoply of gods and goddesses were far more interesting and much more imaginative. Virgins, in religious myths, always seem to be white, the color of purity, I suppose. In certain pagan religions, a virgin was slaughtered (later replaced by a goat) every year in the belief that the Corn God would bring good harvest. 
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 10/31/2009 9:36 am
Susan Crawford
Laurel, I suspect you are correct in your interpretation. The "whiteness" probably is a symbolic way of expressing purity and innocence. (And personally, I’m hoping that all those virgins turn out to be old women - wise old virgins - who will teach those jihadist a thing or two about how women REALLY should be treated.) But let’s face it: so many religious traditions have a strain of misogyny that is deeply disturbing. And I find it interesting to wonder how many virgins some of the jihadi have killed in their insane quest for immortality. Oh, the crimes committed in the name of God - any God.
By Susan Crawford on 11/01/2009 7:02 pm
Mary E. Sayler
I believe that Americans need to do some research on Islam and its beginnings.  Mohammad was very upset set by the practices of the Jews and Christians in Arabia.  He put prohibitions against the worst of what he saw in the Koran.  Jihad is not what the so-called Jihadists believe and want everyone else to believe.  Jihad was the personal fight between right and wrong that each person has.  Islam is a really a peaceful religion and the Terrorists are a very minor part of Islam.  One last thing, I am a Christian who studied Comparitive Religions in College for two years and continue to research so I understand the events of the world.
By Mary E. Sayler on 10/30/2009 6:12 pm
Laura Ward
"Terrorists are a very minor part of Islam" but a major terror in the world that came from Islam.
By Laura Ward on 10/31/2009 12:30 pm
Baby  Snooks
Christians have murdered millions of "infidels" as well and they were not a very minor part of Christendom. Define terrorism in the actual framework of history.  Not the perception of it.  A hundred years ago lots of Christians were still lynching people simply because of the color of their skin.  Some, sadly, still do.  Just not the same way. 
By Baby Snooks on 10/31/2009 1:09 pm
Laura Ward
But the lynching wasn’t done as a Christian activity. The Spanish Inquisition and Crusades and other such Christian activities were. Let’s see, what am I missing…Bloody Mary…
By Laura Ward on 10/31/2009 1:26 pm